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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« on: October 14, 2011, 06:55:26 AM »
Then again there is a problem, if a "cheap FF" will be born at 7D's price point, it could be "the end" for the 7D. I wouldn't buy a crop camera over FF for the same price. Would you?

Yes, if I needed better AF and a faster burst mode

but you're right: that may be a relatively small market

Canon isn't foolish - they'll want to keep a high-end crop camera.  Lots of people upgrading from a Rebel/xxxD or an xxD will have EF-S lenses, and they've shown there's a demand for a top-of-the-line in the APS-C segment.   The 5DII AF is already a handicap.  If they release a 'cheap' FF camera, it will have many handicaps compared to the 7D line (not just a weak AF, but likely xxD build, probably only 3 fps, etc.).

I think the 7D also has an important place for wildlife photographers.  I don't have a lot of experience with shooting wildlife, but I would say that the 7D makes a good choice for working on foot in areas where you have to carry everything, including your tent on your back.  Canon will need to keep a high end APS-C camera to compete with Nikon and Sony.

EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« on: October 14, 2011, 12:59:39 AM »

3] Both new 1D and 5D will have the same sensor. No 6D, no 3D, no 2D, no 8D, no 4D, no any other "entry level" FF DSLR, a used 5D or 5D2 is your entry level. 5D2 should not be discontinued once 5D3 is released, big price drop expected ($2000?). I don't think that Canon could drop the APS-H just to make another, parallel FF line. It's more about sharing the same sensor and adding more features while keeping the sane price.

Basing the 1D5 and 5D3 around the same sensor would be an interesting departure, in terms of the positioning of the 5D, but more interestingly in terms of achieving economies of manufacturing scale, due to the number of 5Ds that Canon sells.

That would also preserve sales of the 1Ds line, because photographers who really need super-high resolution would not have the option of the 5D line as an alternative.

If this happens, I would expect a sensor that is shared by the 1D5 and 5D3 to be in the region of 27 to 32MP - definitely higher than 18MP.


5] New APS-C sensor next year for all new crop bodies - 7D2, 70D and 650D.

Has Canon painted itself into a corner here by allowing the 600D and 60D to reach the same sensor as the 7D well before Canon really needs to replace the 7D?  It would be difficult for Canon to update the x0D or xx0D lines, especially with a new sensor, before releasing the 7D2.

What this all does still beg the question of is whether Canon would consider a lower MP full frame body.  That is probably dependent on the economics of producing the sensor.  There are probably a lot of enthusiasts who are still put off by the price of the 5D2, but who would pay a price somewhere above that of a 60D, maybe as much as a 7D for a full frame body.

EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« on: October 13, 2011, 06:07:18 AM »
Whatever this camera is called, it definitely won't replace the current 1D4 for a lot of people. It would be a huge step down for most wildlife  and some sports photographers who use telephoto lenses. Suddenly you're going to have to be 30% closer to your subjects or have to crop and get less pixels on your subject than with the current 1D4. Although I have absolutely no interest or need for a fast full frame camera, it sounds from this thread that some people want such a contraption. I hope Canon makes them happy.

That is why I doubt a 1DIV replacement would have 18MP full frame.  What sounds more plausible is the concept of the 1DIV replacement being a full frame camera with a 1.3 crop mode that yields 18MP.  That would translate into just under 30.5MP in a full frame.

18MP full frame would probably result in a revolt of sports and wildlife shooters.  If you use a 300mm on an APS-H sensor, you would need a 400mm on full frame.  Just look at the price difference between a 300mm f/2.8 and a 400mm f/2.8.

EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]
« on: October 12, 2011, 08:15:41 PM »

As for the 18MP FF sensor, I just don't believe it one bit. There is absolutely 0% chance they are going to drop the flagship MP-count DOWN, even if it does 1 million ISO as well as my 7D does iso400, it ain't gonna happen.
If it's 18MP, whether it's FF or APS-H, it's got a 1D-label (or 3D, or 6D, just NOT 1Ds or 5D).
18MP could be the "APS-H crop" mode (i'm too lazy to calculate how big an FF sensor would be for that). If they release an 18mp camera now, then they pretty much have to follow nikon's route with the D3/D3x and release a 30+mp 1Ds sooner rather than later, or too many actual pros will jump ship (and i'll be on ebay to get all their 1Ds3s when they do).

I tend to agree. I almost doubt that Canon would decrease the pixel density on the sensor.  Given that that the 1DIV is 16MP, by purely extending the same density to full frame, you get about about 27MP.  That way users who absolutely need the 1.3x crop factor could be provided with a crop mode that still delivers the same resolution as the 1DIV.

Of course, this is all total speculation.

If the 1DV does go full frame, and assuming the 5DIII has a similar resolution to the 1DsIV, I can see a 1DV/5DIII combination as being a very nice setup for a lot of people.  Again, total speculation!

I can see a lot of people sitting on the fence though until Canon has revealed its full hand - 1DV, 1DsIV, 5DIII - before committing to new bodies.

Lens Giveaway Contest / Re: Contest Announcement
« on: October 04, 2011, 06:40:34 AM »

You must use a Canon camera to make the images. I will request EXIF data of all the winners.

Hmm, my EOS 650 doesn't produce EXIF info. ;-)

(OK, I have only shot one spool this year...)

EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2011, 06:02:03 PM »

You mean will the G series be replaced by mirrorless?

Interesting thought ... would those that buy the G series go for that?

Or is the G series waiting for other new technology that isn't yet complete or allowed by cost?

That is what I am wondering.  The problem is that mirrorless spans a multitude of EVILs (excuse the pun).  Depending on price, size, features and lenses, it could span anywhere from where the G series sits to where the Leica M9 sits.  That may give a hint as to why runaway success is eluding the mirrorless segment at the moment.

I guess my biggest quibbles with my G11 are the sensor size (and associated DoF and noise issues), the shutter lag and f/2.8 not being bright enough at the short end.  In reality I don't need an interchangeable lens system for my pocketable camera.  If I want anything longer than about 150mm (35mm normalised) I may as well use a DSLR.  That requirement set shows absolutely no need to a compact system camera!

That said, I think that in the longer term, the days of reflex mirrors are numbered.  Within 5 years it would not surprise me if most "single lens cameras" have done away with the reflex mirror.  The biggest stumbling block may still be a decent EVF.

EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2011, 06:11:09 AM »
While it might be unusual for Canon to release 3 bodies in 12 months, these are unusual times.

2008: 1000D, 50D, 5D2
2009: 500D, 7D, 1D4

So, it's NOT unusual for Canon to release 3 bodies in 12 months. Not in the least. :)

My bet: some mirrorless thing, 5D and 1D/1Ds merged

There of course the quote from Masaya Maeda, head of Canon's camera division stating: "We will launch an interesting product next year" in the following article:

Whether or not a mirrorless camera is being referred to is another question.

I wonder also whether or not we can read anything into the fact that there was no Powershot G13 launched together with the S100.

EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]
« on: October 01, 2011, 10:54:57 PM »

However, If Digic V only performs marginally better and w/o the 5D II's  kinks worked out, there will be much pissing and moaning for the next ~3-4 years. Not something Canon wants associated with the V.

Maybe this is what Canon is trying to avoid. The 5D series is in the spotlight with the 1D series, imo. Or even more so.

I think you have put your finger on a critical point.  In terms of profitability, the 5D series is more important than the 1Ds.  The 1Ds is a very niche product, even more so than the 1D series.

Canon cannot afford to get the 5DmkIII wrong - that would see a loss of market share to Nikon and Sony.

EOS Bodies / Re: A Loose Roadmap [CR1]
« on: October 01, 2011, 07:41:20 PM »

Why would a Digic4 be preferable (a magic bullet) over a Digic5, am I misunderstanding your comment?  Higher resolution and improved autofocus is almost a given, but then I can't understand the suggestion to keep Digic4.

To add to the above:
Canon would not want to keep two processor architectures.  In order to maintain economies of scale, they will need to move all of their production to Digic V.
While I am sure that each Digic generation is not just one chip - just the same way not all Core i5s are made equal, it makes no sense for Canon to keep Digic IV and Digiv V - it will be too costly.  The higher end cameras will outstrip the capacity of dual Digic IVs so the need to move is there.

Canon will need to find as much commonality of components such as processors and sensors in order to compete and ensure that costs are kept under control.  That is probably why the 7D, 60D, 550D and 600D share a sensor.
It will be very interesting to see if the 5DIII and 1DsIV share a sensor! - That would be a way for Canon to get up the volumes needed to control costs of the 1Ds line, which is a very low volume body.


You're statement is true but I don't think that's what the Nikon FB post is saying.  While you're suggesting two different photographers each with different equipment the statement from Nikon is comparing one photographer using different equipment... the implication being higher versus lower quality equipment in the hands of the same person  Question then is if any given photographer would take better pictures with better equipment.  I don't think that's necessarily true... depends whether the photographer or the equipment is the limiting factor (i.e. the weakest link).  If the person has never used anything other than a camera phone they might not even be able to turn a DSLR on and attach the lens so they won't get a picture at all.  In the hands of a pro, it might be fair to say that a he/she will almost always get a better picture with a better camera and lens (better meaning better suited to the type of picture being taken of course).

You reminded me about a comment which is often made in cycling: it's "90% rider and 10% bike".  Putting me on a fancy Colnago will not make me win the TdF.  However, in a pro race, that 10% counts, and it counts for a lot, because races are determined on seconds or less.

Yervant (or name your favourite pro photog) would be able to do produce some very good photos with a 600D and a kit lens, I am sure, but to compete in the market at the level which he does, he needs the very best equipment.
There is no substitute for skill, as others have pointed out, but at the highest levels of performance, equipment can make that small (even minute) difference that separates one photographer, or cyclist, or racing driver, etc. from another.
Put the other way around - putting me on an expensive Colnago is, right now, about as useful as putting lipstick on a pig.

EOS Bodies / Re: Your wishlist for your next body...
« on: September 27, 2011, 11:39:11 PM »
I don't think anyone has mentioned this one:

Ability to integrate with a barcoding or similar system to populate metadata during large jobs - e.g. to get the subject's name or other data into the RAW file for simplified workflow and organisation of jobs with large numbers of images.  (Something like what the 7DSV has...)

Canon General / Re: October 26 Event?
« on: September 27, 2011, 06:28:50 PM »
The direct print is also popular with many studios.

This is also useful in some event photography - where guests queue for a photo and then collect their print, paying their money immediately.  With Direct Print you may be able to get rid of the PC in the setup - all you need then is a camera, a printer, and a cash register (plus your lighting gear).  :)

Australia / Re: Buying Camera gear in Aus? Who do you use?
« on: September 26, 2011, 07:58:56 AM »
On the odd occasion you can get a good deal out of Michael's in Melbourne.  In general, they are expensive, but their service is usually very good.  On the odd occasion they will surprise you with a discount - otherwise I go elsewhere.

I saw one mention of bad attitude from Teds in Melbourne - I have had both lousy attitude (I went up the road and bought from Michael's) and great service from Teds.  It depends who is serving you.

EOS Bodies / Re: Nikon unveils V1 and J1 Mirrorless Cameras
« on: September 22, 2011, 07:00:58 PM »
The only thing good comes out from the Nikon mirrorless is the fast AF ( at least that is what Nikon claims). However, the high price, small sensor, large camera body and lenses make us wondering this "Who is going to  buy it???)

People who need to care about money in their purchases will probably rather buy a high-end compact or an entry level DSLR.  People to whom money is no object, or who absolutely have to have a light camera that produces quality images, would probably be better advised to buy a Leica M9, as it will deliver far superior images (albeit at an eye-watering price).  If money is not object, why monkey around? Rather just buy a Leica.  If money is an object, think about what your real requirements are and either buy a compact or a DSLR.

EOS Bodies / Re: Nikon unveils V1 and J1 Mirrorless Cameras
« on: September 21, 2011, 09:03:58 PM »
even if Canon launch next year it will look a bit 'me too'

That's why Canon will make a game-changing entry into the field.  It's a common theme in innovative companies.  Apple developed the iPad long before the iPhone was released in 2007, and Apple sat on it until other necessary developments and technological adjacencies paved the way (they were waiting on large LCD displays with lower power consumption and better battery technology, as the iPad prototypes had abysmally short battery life).

So, Canon is probably sitting on a full frame mirrorless camera...they're just waiting for the laws of physics to change so they can launch pancake lenses with a 43.2mm image circle. 

I could like with an APS-C camera - for my needs I would not even demand full frame.

Leica have shown us how small a lens for a full frame camera can be - if it doesn't have to work with the massive flange to focal plane distance which is necessitated by a mirror box.  My understanding is that with moving the flange closer to the focal plane, you would be able to avoid having to use a retrofocus design in lenses, thus simplifying the optics, and making lenses smaller and lighter.  By using power zooms, you can eliminate the zoom ring and focus ring, further reducing the size of a lens.
Think about the size of Leica primes, or the old Zeiss Ikon lenses - the Sonnar f/2 is a small lens - yes it has its weaknesses, but that kind of lens is proof of how compact a lens can be.
A further interesting twist to make the whole package smaller would be a recessed lens mount, which would allow part of the lens to sit "inside" the body - in the way that the lenses of compact cameras do. - Now I am really speculating though!

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