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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 10:49:39 PM »
Let me make this simple by working though it...

The 5D2/5D3 are almost identical in terms of measurable DR.

Measured by what method?

This is all conjecture anyway, combining unrelated statements by unrelated people.

At the end of the day, the detail will likely be phenomenal, and the shadows probably don't be as liftable as Sony, but if the noise floor statement is to be believed, they'll be more liftable than the previous 5Ds. Personally, shadow lifting isn't something I do wish any regularity, regardless of whether I'm using Canon gear or Sony gear. I purchased the A7R primarily for resolution in the studio, where I control light entirely. I also shoot landscape, but never find the need the push shadows significantly unless I screw up the exposure.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 09:35:14 PM »
Well if it had better dynamic range why would Chuck Westfall say it was the same as the 5D3 then? Duh.

That isn't what he said. He actually said "Canon is telling us......equivalent to the 5D MkIII", neither you nor I know what that means to shadow editability.

However if you listen to this at 1:40 http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/video-interview-canon-eos-5ds-and.htm that point is actually expanded on by Mike Burnhill from Canon CPS in the UK with " equivalent to the 5D MkIII in traditional measuring terms, but there's a much lower noise floor, so therefore more ability to pull out detail in the shadows and highlights"
...

By traditional I assume he means shooting a stop wedge, as opposed to the range where signal dominates noise.

If the noise floor is indeed improved, that's a good thing. We'll have to wait and see. I pre-ordered the S.

I agree. Though I didn't pre-order  ;D

I presume it will be as good as or better than my mk3, so I'll likely sell my A7R and be done with adapters and obnoxious ergo. No reason to wait ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 08:59:40 PM »
Well if it had better dynamic range why would Chuck Westfall say it was the same as the 5D3 then? Duh.

That isn't what he said. He actually said "Canon is telling us......equivalent to the 5D MkIII", neither you nor I know what that means to shadow editability.

However if you listen to this at 1:40 http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/video-interview-canon-eos-5ds-and.htm that point is actually expanded on by Mike Burnhill from Canon CPS in the UK with " equivalent to the 5D MkIII in traditional measuring terms, but there's a much lower noise floor, so therefore more ability to pull out detail in the shadows and highlights"
...

By traditional I assume he means shooting a stop wedge, as opposed to the range where signal dominates noise.

If the noise floor is indeed improved, that's a good thing. We'll have to wait and see. I pre-ordered the S.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 03:39:56 PM »

I question Canon having this role out without any real studio/landscape/portrait imagery.  The samples thus far look like after thoughts.  Hey someone get on the roof and shoot the city before we announce tomorrow.  If you are trying to sell cameras wouldn't want really stellar imagery for your marketing push?

I'm generally underwhelmed by Canon's choice of sample images.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R Preview
« on: February 06, 2015, 03:33:35 PM »

On the same Canon spec page, under "Highlight Alert" section - the following incomplete sentence:
 
"With single-image display (Info.) and single-image display, overexposed highlight areas will" ...

Will what? Anyone know?

Thanks

Blink, I'm guessing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R Preview
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:27:35 PM »
Personally, I think that having more safety space is a perfectly valid reason to wish for more dynamic range

Absolutely.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R Preview
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:24:38 PM »
No, but do you know why? It is because 14+ stops can make a very significant difference over 11.7, but beyond 14 gains become fairly irrelevant.

Uh, how do you figure? For me, a jump to, say, 20, would be more beneficial than a jump to ~14 (which is one reason I rarely use my A7R).

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 06, 2015, 02:20:08 PM »
Why?? This camera was not a speed or video demon so why the heck not go to Sony for the sensor on it? You didn't even give it DPAF, so what possible reason for the Canon sensor?

The possibility exists that Sony and Nikon have some sort of exclusivity agreement in the SLR category (not that there aren't other sensor fabs out there).

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EOS Bodies / Re: What do/don't you like about the 5Ds?
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:01:47 PM »
Why market a product whose only advantage over the competition is resolution, while lagging behind in ISO and FPS?

Perhaps because it's intended mainly for studio and landscape shooting, where sky-high ISO and FPS aren't the highest priorities?

That said, the low ISO ceiling (relatively speaking) is curious in a camera with a fairly sophisticated AF system, which feels purpose built for action.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds and EOS 5Ds R Preview
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:40:06 AM »
... but I agree here, other than other CR members: For landscape, another +2ev dynamic range would be nice, but for the very highest iq you'd still need to bracket most of the time. More dynamic range is essential for situations with movement when you only are able to take one frame - unfortunately, this includes moving leaves or grass.

There have been plenty of times when that much additional range would have helped me, but generally it was because I screwed up, not because the scene happened to exceed my body's capability by no more than that additional amount.

Even when I bring my A7R on landscape shoots, I plan and equip as I do shooting Canon: timing, timing, timing, and filters.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 12:20:02 AM »
"This sample movie was shot in Full HD mode, and has been optimized for viewing on this website."

Canon, why would I want to view a 960x540 video to evaluate the Full HD capability of your recently released camera? Try to be less insufferable, would ya?

Same reason the sample photos on their US website are like 400px wide.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 05, 2015, 11:48:31 PM »
Meh photos, but that's canon's MO. Price is decent.

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EOS Bodies / Re: IT'S OFFICIAL. CANON ANNOUNCES 5DS & 5DSR
« on: February 05, 2015, 11:42:40 PM »
"EOS 5Ds is equipped with a CMOS sensor of the effective number of pixels about 5,060 million pixels of Canon's proprietary development, realize the shooting of overwhelming high resolution"

That's goona chew through memory cards :P

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EOS Bodies / Re: Could the 5Ds (R) be using the 5 Layer UV, IR, RGB Sensor?
« on: February 05, 2015, 10:25:29 PM »
It COULD be, but I'd be mighty surprised.

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