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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Canon EOS 7D Body for $1151 via eBay
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:33:59 PM »
I've noticed that our local Costco Store has them with lens and extras for a low price.  Either Canon is closing them out, or they have a big surplus and are giving out deals to Costco. 

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon's roadmap
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:26:40 PM »
The most disappointing thing is that we don't have a separate forum for whinners and trollers!

EOS Bodies / Re: Refurb 7D Question
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:25:16 AM »
Generally, the refurbs are new or nearly new demos or returns.  Canon would normally  not need to put a new shutter in a  virtually new camera.
Canon does not take returns of high milage used cameras, Dealers allow a 30 Day return window at most, and most returns are within a week or so.  These go back to Canon to be refurbished, or may even be sold as seller refurbished.

Software & Accessories / Re: would you guys buy it?
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:19:28 AM »
No, I wouldn't buy that, and I didn't.
Just thought i'd offer an alternative to BR, have you seen the Bos Strap? Mine is awesome and I feel more secure with the camera attached to a single neck strap loop than the tripod mount.

Checking out the link, I noticed the following statement under "product description" (re the Bos Strap) : "Helps reduce the stress and possible damage to your camera body tripod socket and internal seals when hanging the camera upside down from a tripod socket fitting." As I have a Black Rapid, which as everyone knows attaches via the tripod socket, I find this slightly alarming - does hanging a camera from a tripod socket fitting REALLY put undue stress on the tripod socket and internal seals to the point of damaging them, or is this just marketing hype?
Only if you are trying to sell something else.

EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:15:10 AM »

Canon has kept release prices of enthusiast level APS-C bodies above the $1000 barrier.  Although, if one were to adjust for inflation, we would be below the 2000 value of $1000.

I suspect, subject to market forces, Canon will probably try to keep full frame bodies above $1500 (at launch).  Given the trajectory shown above, that may take another 2 generations to reach, however.

You also need to consider where Canon is pitching the xx0D range - which have now settled at listing just below $900 at launch.  That makes a sub $1000 full frame body seem unlikely to me, unless APS-C starts to fall away, which seems unlikely to me.

APS-C will always have a place in Canon's lineup, as they have proven that a 1.6x crop sensor is useful for many types of photography. APS-C sensors are the sweet spot for the manufacturer price-wise; they can charge $1000 for a 60D-type camera where the sensor costs a couple hundred dollars, compared to a 6D that's going for $2000 with a $1500 sensor. As things are now, Canikon can't charge significantly less than $2k for a full-frame body without either making it out of silly putty or taking a significant loss on every camera sold.

Although I am in agreement that a FF sensor is more expensive, it certainly does not cost Canon  $1500.  Their cost to manufacture the 6D is going to be less than that.  The selling price of a body is probably at least 3 - 4X the cost to manufacturer it.  Adversising, freight, maintaining warehouses, returns and the cost of servicing cameras are huge expenses.  And, then, there is the dealer profit and the rebate program.  It likely costs $300 to give a buyer a $200 rebate, for example.
My guess as to the price for a FF sensor for the 6D is about $350-$450 max.  The APS-C sensors likely now cost $20 to make.

EOS Bodies / Re: When will we have a full frame body below $1,000?
« on: November 24, 2012, 09:29:39 PM »

I don't believe that the FF sensors cost dramatically more to make than 1.6 crop sensors.  They use the difference to allow them to sell cameras at a lower price point to 95% of the people buying cameras without undercutting the prices on their own FF models. 

Costs to make a FF sensor have certainly dropped dramatically over the years, but the basic concept driving the price to 20X the cost of APS-C has not changed.  DSLR sensors are not made from run of the mill silicone wafers as some seem to think.

EOS Bodies / Re: Possible positive 6D surprise? Should I wait?
« on: November 24, 2012, 12:43:48 PM »
I am curious as to which reputable site has tested the 6D and found the sensor to be better. When you make a claim, why not reference the source.

Thanks. I thought I'd never see the 5D2 refurbished that low.

You can get a used 5D II on CL for $1200 or less.
Of course, there is no warranty or return on a 4 year old CL body with 20K exposures.
The Refurbished Canon 5D MK II I bought had only 135 shutter actuations on it.  it had 14 day return rights and 90 day warranty, but it was perfect.

So...what do you do after 90day warranty? Do you think the next refu 5D II from Canon will have same shutter count as your?
What do you do after the 6 minute warranty from Craigslist?  I tried a search for 1200 dollar 5D MK II's on craigslist.  many of them are asking $1700 or more, which is clueless.  After checking several listings, I found one that was described as well worn. http://austin.craigslist.org/pho/3360074950.html
I'm sure that if you are willing to travel a few hundred miles, you can find one, but there are none within 300 miles from me at any price.
The 5D MK II refurbs that Canon sells are typically demos or new returns with very little use.  However, if a $1200 CL model is available and its excellent, go for it. 

Software & Accessories / Re: would you guys buy it?
« on: November 24, 2012, 02:29:00 AM »
The Black Rapid  R-7 actually holds your camera at your side, you don't have to walk around holding it from moving with your elbow as the person in the photo is doing.
I would not trade mine for that one.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Got my (new) 7D back from repair
« on: November 23, 2012, 11:02:07 PM »
Its often the case that individual parts are not stocked, but rather repaired assemblies.  The old assembly is then sent to the repair depot (which does stock individual components) for rework and becomes a spare for the next camera.
The Canon repair station replaces assemblies because its the fastest and most economical way to get a camera repaired and back to the user.  This is the same process used by many electronics companies. The repair depot repairs them in batches, most likely they mostly fail the same way, so you can fix 500 of them in the time it might take to fix 50 when troubleshooting on a case by case basis.

Canon General / Re: Authorized and unauthorized dealers
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:44:33 PM »
So far, Canon USA has always covered these models that come with a USA warranty card.  Just send in the card to establish the date of purchase.  If asked for a invoice, it was a Christmas gift, which is why you registered it.
If its a gray market unit, you might have a issue, but I doubt it.
With Canon tightening up things via their MAP program, they might stop fixing gray market from unauthorized sellers, but I don't expect them to stop fixing units with a USA warranty card.

Well, so far, I'm sitting here reading this and waiting for Fedex to Deliver my Dell.  Later, i'll go into Spokane and checkout new HD TV's at Costco.  They seem to be beating everyone on prices for mid level models.  I don't bother with the low end come-on prices that people fight over.  I'll have plenty of time to review the available models and decide.
I'm not keen on 3D either, so I may avoid that.
I successfully talked my wife into a new entry-level macbook pro, for the sole purpose I can give my old one, that my wife stole to my mother.  Actually, Costco's prices were even beating decent sale prices on TVs next week.  My only qualm is that they usually carry the mid level models and I've finally convinced the wife to do an upper-tier one.

One of her friends tried to get some doorbusters but couldn't find a deal on a parking spot  ;D
I finally went down to Costco and bought a 55 inch (largest that I can fit).  It was the Samsung XXX7150 model.
The most expensive one was a 80 inch model for $4500, not in the same range as the uber expensive models.
My new Dell finally showed up after I left.  I had to put out a note asking them to leave it on my porch, which they did.
I've had a 40 inch Samsung for 7  or 8 years now, it was $2400 new and has never had a issue.  My son used it for xbox games mostly, so he will get it for Christmas if we can make space for it.

Pricewatch Deals / Re: Ended: Canon EOS 5D Mark III Body $2499
« on: November 23, 2012, 10:32:31 PM »
Ugh, they sold out before I got to them.  Anyone know of any other opportunity to get in at that pricepoint, either through them or someone else?  I'm not even seeing them used for that cheap!
Keep an eye out for them on Canon Price Watch.  We will likely see more deals on cyber Monday, or even on Tuesday.  If you signup for notification, you will get a e-mail notification when the price drops.

EOS Bodies / Re: Best D-SLR's
« on: November 23, 2012, 04:05:36 PM »
Always beware of reviewers who use their own values to rate a product.

Best for who?  Dan Sung? 
Who is Dan Sung?
Not a professional photographer, no photography awards, a self proclaimed expert?  He is a writer, his job is to sell products for advertisers.
What testing has he actually done on those thousands of different products he has reviewed.  I'd bet he mostly reads the features and specs and grades on them.
I don't have a argument with a professional photographer who uses various models when he says that he prefers one model over the other for the following reasons ... and gives them.  Thats being honest.
Merely proclaiming the best models without some backup is poor journalism.

Sorry if I don't shoot shoot test chart but in real world use the 5Dc is better than the 7D.

No it's not. We're not discussing opinion here. Noise levels are objective, testable reality. The 7D tests lower across the board (chroma, black, grey). This doesn't magically change with a "real world" scene.

The chroma noise difference in particular is human observable in print where the 7D clearly looks better.
Where does your information come from?  I've had both and the 5DC is easily better.  The 7D looks horrible at or above ISO 800.
From the tests I've seen, the 5D C beats out the 7D on s/n ratio handily.  What reliable testing do you have to show us.

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