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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:44:08 AM »
I think the GPS is a useless addon, provided you have a smartphone + an inexpensive appli like GPS4cam. It offers IMO the same benefits of an integrated GPS. I'd rather like Canon focus on photographic specs rather than these useless peripheral specs, that cost a lot for a very weak added value. The smartphones HAVE a GPS, we have a smartphone always with us, bar.
About the WIFI, this could be differerent, but there is too a dedicated grip... So ? I really do prefer high iso performances for less MP, weather sealing, and a lower price... I'm maybe old fashioned ?
Disagree
I do not belive that an in camera GPS is going to add a lot of cost to the camera. I'd rather have it in camera than pulling out the smart phone, capture the GPS coordinates, identify the image to add the coordinates in post process sounds like too much of a hassle. I subscribe to the idea of have everything but give the users the option to turn them on/off.
+1
please correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but the camera will have a 'true' GPS, meaning a GPS that will function on its own, whereas a smart phone only has the aGPS meaning assisted GPS where it will need a Wifi connection or 3G connection to be able to obtain its position. + the extra hassle of having to connect it to the phone and all that annoying stuff that won't work properly anyway, no I'm not a fan of having to rely on my phone and in this case some home cooked app too much.

The problem with GPS without A-GPS is how long a cold start takes.  The transfer rate from a satellite is extremely slow, and even though it's only a couple kB it can take quite a while, and only then can it attempt to acquire a lock.  A-GPS has the benefits of being able to download that data from a faster source, and having a rough estimate of current location so it can determine where it is way faster.
Ah, I didn't know that, but it makes sense. On the other hand, you are still depending on being within range of a 3G network. At least a couple of years ago the A-GPS was not very accurate whereas the regular GPS was within a couple of meters.  It's a lot better now but still varies alot.

A-GPS is sort of an extension of GPS, and is just as accurate (given the same receiver, etc), just faster to start.  I know exactly what you're thinking of though, early cell phones that had GPS...  Their inaccuracy was mainly a function of cheap GPS modules with a limited number of channels.  You technically only need 4 channels to be able to see 4 satellites and get a full 3D lock, but what good is it on a mobile device to have to sit in exactly the same spot for 12 minutes to get the most accurate position?  The more channels you have, the more satellites you can search for concurrently, and in general, the quicker you will achieve an acceptably accurate lock, and the better it can maintain the lock as you move and satellites come in and out of "view".

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 11:53:55 PM »
I think the GPS is a useless addon, provided you have a smartphone + an inexpensive appli like GPS4cam. It offers IMO the same benefits of an integrated GPS. I'd rather like Canon focus on photographic specs rather than these useless peripheral specs, that cost a lot for a very weak added value. The smartphones HAVE a GPS, we have a smartphone always with us, bar.
About the WIFI, this could be differerent, but there is too a dedicated grip... So ? I really do prefer high iso performances for less MP, weather sealing, and a lower price... I'm maybe old fashioned ?
Disagree
I do not belive that an in camera GPS is going to add a lot of cost to the camera. I'd rather have it in camera than pulling out the smart phone, capture the GPS coordinates, identify the image to add the coordinates in post process sounds like too much of a hassle. I subscribe to the idea of have everything but give the users the option to turn them on/off.
+1
please correct me if I'm wrong on this one, but the camera will have a 'true' GPS, meaning a GPS that will function on its own, whereas a smart phone only has the aGPS meaning assisted GPS where it will need a Wifi connection or 3G connection to be able to obtain its position. + the extra hassle of having to connect it to the phone and all that annoying stuff that won't work properly anyway, no I'm not a fan of having to rely on my phone and in this case some home cooked app too much.

The problem with GPS without A-GPS is how long a cold start takes.  The transfer rate from a satellite is extremely slow, and even though it's only a couple kB it can take quite a while, and only then can it attempt to acquire a lock.  A-GPS has the benefits of being able to download that data from a faster source, and having a rough estimate of current location so it can determine where it is way faster.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 11:40:27 PM »
And if you can't use wifi or gps because of the metal body..... how do you think it manages to talk to a wireless flash???

Wifi and RT would have reduced range if they can't get the antenna outside the metal.  A GPS receiver however, deals with signals several orders of magnitude weaker, and would never work acceptably inside a metal body.

as posted elsewhere....


The body is made of magnesium.

Air has a permeability of 1.000 000 37
Magnesium has a permiability of 1.000 12
Steel and iron are around 100
Mu-Metal, used for electromagnet shielding, is around 20,000 to 50,000

Think of permeability as the materials ability to react to (attenuate) radio signals.

Well that "elsewhere" is wrong.

Copper has a permeability of 0.999994, and it is used for RF shielding; magnetic permeability is not the only important property (in fact in this case it's not important at all).  It is only applicable to static or low frequency fields. The magnesium body effectively becomes a Faraday cage at RF frequencies.

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In other words, the magnesium body is  for all practical purposes, transparent to electromagnetic waves (radio)..... and even if it wasn't, there are dozens of holes through the metal shell.

Sorry, but that is also wholly incorrect. The holes would need to be larger than the wavelength to let the signal through without excessive attenuation.  There are no holes in the body larger than 12.49cm.

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All I've got is the CPS Oscars emails at the moment...

Yeah, I've gotten like three of those so far.  It's starting to get a little obnoxious.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 04:20:51 PM »
It's interesting that if something new is going to be added to an upcoming camera, there are two reactions:

1. If you think you need it, you refer to it as a feature.

2. If you think you don't, it's a gimmick.


There are plenty of "features" that I will probably never use. Just turn them off. As for the issue of compromising the build quality/seal, I don't think Canon is putting themselves in that position since they are releasing both a 70D and a 7D II. Besides, the 7D already has a pop-up flash. I'm not sure how that can be considered sealed.

Feature vs. gimmick... I think you're 98% correct. I personally don't object to any (gimmicky :P ) features that I don't think I'll use, unless it impacts the features currently present in a line (i.e., ruggedness or weather sealing in this case).  I don't buy the argument of cost increases for most features, like GPS or WiFi, because I know the components themselves are dirt cheap, and most of the development is already complete once they have the first model with those features (6D).  And for features like video, which I don't care about either; I believe the increased market and subsequent production, makes for a camera that is a net gain for consumers, possibly even cheaper.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 04:06:38 PM »
What about creating 2 different grips for the 7D Mii, one with the GPS and WiFi and one without?

Weather sealing. And I think those mod's would eat up at least 1 battery slot.

Because the components are so cheap (GPS is <$3 each in bulk, WiFi is <$10), I would imagine they'd be built into the body, and only enabled if you have the grip.  That would give a good place to put the antenna too, since the battery tray is plastic.  The biggest issue in putting the antennas in the tray (I'd imagine right in the door, you only need 3.125cm for a 1/4 wave 2.4Ghz antenna), would be the additional RF connector on the tray & grip that can sustain repeated coupling without breaking or incurring excessive loss.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 12:43:02 PM »
And if you can't use wifi or gps because of the metal body..... how do you think it manages to talk to a wireless flash???

Wifi and RT would have reduced range if they can't get the antenna outside the metal.  A GPS receiver however, deals with signals several orders of magnitude weaker, and would never work acceptably inside a metal body.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 2013 Predictions for Canon EOS Products
« on: February 20, 2013, 10:56:57 AM »
The 3D will have eye-controlled focus and a blink-activated shutter. You heard it here first.   :P

But Nikon is working on thought-controlled cameras.....

There would have to be the option to turn this off, because some days I would want to shoot something other than boobs...

Wait...  there's other things to shoot?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 7D Mark ii with WiFi/GPS or Without?
« on: February 20, 2013, 02:56:22 AM »
And, for that matter, can we please just have the articulating screen already? Anyone that doesn't like it can just LEAVE IT WHERE IT IS. Seriously, I've needed one this entire week...and no, I don't want to go buy a dedicated monitor. That's a stupid suggestion.

That's not a stupid suggestion, that's a valid solution to your problem. 

Almost two years with a swivel screen on the 60D, don't think I used it more than once.  I'm glad the 5D3 doesn't have that damned thing.  I'd rather have a magnesium body and weather sealing than something I'll never use.  Just one more thing to break at the most inopportune time.

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Lenses / Re: New Canon USA Lens & Speedlite Rebates
« on: February 17, 2013, 12:35:50 PM »
Grrrr... The 70-200/2.8IS II is still $200 more than it was before Christmas.

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Great! Now give us red AF points, 1080 at 50p, and focus peaking without the need of magic lantern.

I used to think people complaining about the black AF points were just being whiny... then I got a 5DIII.  Yeah, it's way more annoying than I figured it would be.  So +1 for red AF points.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Nice Folks at Flickr
« on: February 15, 2013, 04:04:38 PM »
I've always wondered why Canon Rumors does not have a Flickr Group? I startted one with the name but have not opened it to anyone. Things like this groups idea could be done there too, also could be a place to show photos from threads, etc...

We don't have one because someone started a group with that name, and never opened it to anyone.  Funny that...

(I'm kidding btw)

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Software & Accessories / Re: Gloves for Photography
« on: February 15, 2013, 02:21:03 PM »
For normal cold (down to 20F/-7C) I've got a pair of neoprene gloves that provide outstanding grip and dexterity, and when it's colder than that I have finger-less wool "hobo" gloves that I put over them.

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Software & Accessories / Re: Nice Folks at Flickr
« on: February 14, 2013, 04:45:41 PM »
Congratulations on your new camera, and on your prize!  That's pretty cool of them.  Yeah, obviously it's not a big ticket item or anything, but it does represent their commitment to the community.

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Landscape / Re: Transmission tower
« on: February 11, 2013, 04:47:31 PM »
It's also a federal crime to photograph aircraft unless the flight is specifically being conducted for photographic opportunities.  Airshows would be considered photo ops.  A passenger airliner on approach for landing is not and can land you in a federal penitentiary.

That is absolutely, positively, 100% false.

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