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Reviews / Re: Gizmodo reviews the Canon 7D Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 02:47:31 PM »
...Once the hype is over and reality sets in, it will be seen as a camera for special purposes, and over priced for 99% of new DSLR users who buy a DSLR, then don't like the shallow depth of field, and put it in a closet.  This forum has lots of camera enthusiasts, but is not representative of the average DSLR buyer who goes to Best Buy or Amazon and buys one that looks impressive.

I think you underestimate Canon's market research.

I doubt if they ever considered new DSLR buyers to be a major market for the 7D and even less so for the 7D II.

"Overpriced" – Of course that is in the eye of the buyer. But, I doubt if serious action shooters, wildlife and bird shooters will consider it overpriced if if gets them pictures they could not get without spending $7,000 on a 1Dx or might not be able to get by spending $3,000 on a 5DIII.

Canon does an exceptional job of researching the market and then pinpointing their products to buyers. This is clearly targeted to some lucrative markets.

A few:

Helicopter parents who are willing to spend almost any amount in order to preserve their children's high school sports careers, which for most high school athletes, will be the pinnacle of their sports careers. Take the number of starting players in any sport, multiply it by the number of sports offered at your average high school and then multiply that by the number of high schools in the United State's alone...then add in all the high school yearbook advisers who will need this camera for their student photographers. Just selling the 7DII to a fraction of that market will make it a best seller.

Birding is one of the most popular and fastest growing outdoor activities, especially among the burgeoning and high-disposable income baby-boomer generation. Couple this body with either the Tamron or the Sigma 600 zooms and birders finally have a package that allows them to take pictures of the same quality as they see in publications. (and yes...Canon is missing out by not offering an alternative to the Tamron and Sigma...yet)

The newspaper business may be dying, but the ones that remain are increasingly reliant on web galleries and print sales to boost income. Most smaller papers expect photographers to buy their own cameras and don't pay them enough to buy a 5D, much less a 1Dx. The 7D will become the tool of choice for small market photojournalists.

Whatever else you might think about the 7DII, you can't really argue that Canon has once again pinpointed a market and crafted a product that meets that market's needs. 5DIII -- tool of choice for wedding and event photographers; 6D -- step up camera for those wanting to move to full frame; and now the 7DII perfectly targeted to its audience.

Reviews / Re: Gizmodo reviews the Canon 7D Mark II
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:53:17 AM »
Trying to get this straight: according to the review the original 7D was a great all-purpose camera.

The 7DII comes out and it does everything the original 7D did, plus it has more features, better low-light performance, better autofocus, etc., etc. all for the same price. But according to this review it's not an all-purpose camera?

What exactly do they think you could do with the 7D that you can't do better with the 7DII?

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: LP-E6N Backwards Compatible
« on: October 21, 2014, 10:46:25 AM »
Yes. http://www.canon-asia.com/snapshot/eos-7dmk2-579/
Q: Can we continue to make use of the existing battery model
A:“Yes.” The new LP-E6N (1,865mAh) has a larger capacity, while maintaining the same shape as the LP-E6 (1,800mAh). The existing battery charger also remains usable, so equipment that you have purchased for the EOS 7D will not go to waste.

That wasn't my question though.

Has anyone seen any information from Canon as to whether or not the new LP-E6N is compatible with older model cameras, such as the 5DIII and 7DI?

I think the consensus is that the new batteries will be compatible, but I still wish Canon would simply say that somewhere.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 20, 2014, 07:40:08 PM »
...don't think for a minute that it hasn't been a great success for Canon.

Well the rumour is that it's Canon themselves saying this about the sales not the CR complainers. We just offer up some simple explanations lol

And now Canon says its disappointed with 6D sales ??? -- Hey Canon!  You set the stage.

Here we go again. Canon DID NOT say they were disappointed in 6D sales. Some random guy on the internet said Canon is disappointed in 6D sales. No sales numbers to back it up...no statement in Canon's investor briefing...no nothing with any credibility. Just some random guy making things up.

The 6D, for most of the past year, has dominated the Amazon sales ranking as the best selling full frame camera on the market. It's slipped only in the past few weeks due to Nikon's recent introduction of the D750 and the D810 – both of which are meeting pent up demand from Nikon users.

The D610 BTW is at about #31 -- well under both the 7DI and the 60D (two cameras that have been replaced.) The 6D without lens is at #13 right now, and at #20 with lens.

Don't believe every random statement on the internet. Canon could not possibly be disappointed in 6D sales because the camera has been kicking butt since its release. People are simply projecting their own opinion, and then making things up.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 20, 2014, 05:31:45 PM »

Have you tried reprogramming the menus? I added "External Speedlite control" to the "My Menu", and reprogrammed the SET button to bring up the FEC settings and that really simplified things for me during lit shoots. I really wish you could break out the "Flash function" settings from the External Speedlite control menu and get to it with one touch, then it would be ideal when it's too fiddly to see/reach the ST-E3, but this is workable for me.

Hi, yeah I have the menus set up like that right now but still find it clunkier than it needs to be. I use the Yongnuo triggers and would love to be able to shortcut a button to the Flash Function Settings.

As opposed to....
1. Menu (go to My Menu)
2. Scroll to External Speedlite Control
3. Scroll to Flash function settings
4. Adjust the various settings

When I need to make a slight tweak it's the same again.

I totally agree that the FEC shortcut works great for on camera or single flash shoots but it would be so much easier if this was tidied up a bit.

This is one of the reasons why I advocate for touch-screen technology. It wouldn't be an ideal fix, but it would certainly make things faster if all you had to do was touch the screen to move through the menus.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 19, 2014, 02:10:34 PM »
I know this is the internet, people like to make things up and it's probably futile to try to correct the myths, but...

...it is absolutely wrong that the 6D has not been a good seller for Canon or that there is any way Canon could be disappointed in its sales.

Until recent weeks, the 6D has consistently been the best selling full-frame DSLR on the Amazon best sellers ranking. Only in recent weeks, with the introduction of new full frame models from Nikon (which are likely selling as a result of pent-up demand from Nikon users), has the 6D dropped. But, it still sells very well (No. 12 as currently). Once the pent-up demand from Nikon users subsides, and holiday sales begin, it's very likely the 6D will again take over as the sales king of full frame DSLRs.

People can dispute the list, but I've yet to see any other independent ranking that shows the relative sales of camera models.

You can complain all you want about the 6D and its features, but unless you can produce better numbers, don't think for a minute that it hasn't been a great success for Canon.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 18, 2014, 10:20:53 AM »
...my pride won't let me release ANYTHING that hasn't been looked at up-close on a large monitor. Further, if I put up more than one shot of an event, it really needs to "tell a story", the pictures need to give each other context.

Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnd.............we have a winner!


That professional photographers might lose business to iPhone shooters due to the speed of posting on Facebook is just laughable.  There's a reason pro photographers exist, and this is it.

Resisting and denying change is such an effective business strategy.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / LP-E6N Backwards Compatible
« on: October 17, 2014, 03:16:49 PM »
Has anyone seen any information from Canon as to whether or not the new LP-E6N is compatible with older model cameras, such as the 5DIII and 7DI?

They made a point of saying the 7DII can use the old batteries, but other than one video preview from a camera store, I have not found anything saying if the new batteries can be used in the older cameras.

My first reaction was: Sounds like you should buy a 5D.

With a 6D you get half the features of a 5D. With a 7D you'll get another half of the features of the 5D. Why not save yourself some money in the long run and just get a 5D to begin with?

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 11:24:22 PM »
I think this discussion has about run its course and I'm not interested in becoming the next variation of DRone.

But, just to add to the comments of Good24 and StudentofLight, I think you are actually making my point. Of course, with enough money and labor almost anything is possible. I'm simply suggesting that the camera manufacturers could do a better job of making it easier and much cheaper.

The local newspaper photographer does not have the resources available to those covering the Olympics and not every wedding photographer can hire one or two assistants to help them process and post pictures during a wedding.

I'm not sure how many different ways one can say this, but it seems unfortunate to me that a photographer paying $1,500 to $3,000 for a camera body should not be able to have the same accessibility and usability that others get for a few hundred dollars (or even free with a two-year contract) from a cell phone.

It all seems a bit absurd. Camera manufacturers have seen their market absolutely crushed by devices that offer instant editing and instant connectivity to the internet, yet they have almost universally been painfully slow on the uptake. It's as though they are incapable of comprehending that the features that have caused an exodus from their devices might actually be features they should consider improving upon.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 08:05:57 PM »

All I can do is shake my head and LOL.

Carry on.

There is none so blind as those who will not see.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 05:07:39 PM »
...But right now when data plans are in the single to tens of GB and now you want to load raw files to the cloud for processing/social consumption... 22 to 40 MP files are going to eat into that capacity quickly and we're just not there yet where the infrastructure can support that at a reasonable cost.  Stuff packaged for iPad/cell phone consumption are low res to save space.

Yeah, I don't see it as a replacement for how we process and save files today. I'm just suggesting that having the ability to edit and upload a few JPEGs in real time could give some photographers a competitive edge.

I know many photographers dread the thought of having to worry about posting images while an event is still going on. But, I don't think the pressure is going to go away; I think it will only get stronger. It's nice to say that clients should just be patient and wait for our brilliantly composed and edited pictures, but the reality is they won't.

All I'm suggesting is that camera manufacturers need to make it easier for photographers to deliver some of those brilliantly composed and edited pictures sooner.

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 04:56:46 PM »
I happen to think that any camera manufacturer and any photographer who sticks their head in the sand and pretends that social media is some passing fantasy that is only for the "Hello Kitty" crowd, as you so disparagingly refer to it, is just asking to be put out of business.

I think you meant, "fancy" but the typo is appropriate.

I know a few people that "used to" be active on Facebook, and who now use it very rarely.  I just skipped the intermediate step.

Ha! Thanks for catching that, I will correct it.

Facebook is fast becoming institutionalized and commercialized, no doubt about it. But, I study the trends pretty closely and it's definitely a medium that is here to stay. People have incorporated it into their daily lives and routines. Within a few years, it could supplant websites as the primary destination of people using the internet.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: How to differentiate crop vs. FF
« on: October 16, 2014, 03:26:19 PM »
Anyway, unlike some, I find the extra "reach" to be real and advantageous.

Got any comparison images to back that up Bob?

Interesting debate. I go back and forth on this.

Since buying a 5DIII about a year ago, I admit my 7D has pretty much been sitting, gathering dust (although I keep it as a back up). But, in the past year, I've had very little time to shoot distance-limited subjects as demand for portraits seems to take up most of my spare time these days.

But, I can't quite understand how a crop sensor would never provide an advantage in distance-limited situations. I'm certainly willing to agree that if you crop the full frame down to the same framing as a uncropped APS-C image, you won't lose much, if anything. But, intellectually, I can't get my head around the idea that if I need to crop the image much more significantly, having the extra pixels of a crop would not be an advantage.

Being math-challenged doesn't  help, but it certainly seems from a logical point-of-view that eventually, as you slice and dice away pixels, you'll reach a point where the full frame image loses too much resolution and you'll be better off with the crop sensor's greater pixel density.

It might require some pretty radical cropping, but then again, I've been in situations that require radical cropping (A California Condor perched on the top of an outcrop at the Grand Canyon – absent the ability to fly, you can't get any closer than the edge of the Canyon.)

EOS Bodies / Re: EOS 6D Mark II to Move Upmarket? [CR1]
« on: October 16, 2014, 02:53:33 PM »
That gets the heart of the question -- doesn't it?  People pay a lot of money for cell phone network/data access.  I can't see many people paying a similar fee for a camera in addition to the cell phone that they already have...

Well, I don't pay extra for my iPad. It's included in my data plan. No reason why a camera couldn't be as well.
But really my main point is quite simple- there are a lot of things camera makers could do to help their professional customers gain an edge in today's highly competitive and interconnected world.

I'm not saying it's for everybody but I don't get why some folks feel threatened by it. Well maybe I do...keeping up with fast changing customer demands means you have to work harder and those who cling to the old ways risk becoming obsolete.

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