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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
« on: September 11, 2014, 10:59:48 AM »
Beyond a certain point, miniscule differences in sensors aren't going to sell cameras. But, 10 fps, 65 autofocus points, GPS, weather resistance, intervalometers, etc. will.

More than tiny differences are available.  The A7S sensor has a 1/3 stop advantage in QE and around 1 1/2 stops in read noise at high ISO.  That's not "miniscule".

At 12 mp. Meh.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Specifications Confirmed
« on: September 11, 2014, 10:36:31 AM »
...as someone who shoots a lot in ISO-challenged circumstances (sports at night, evening weddings with existing light), along with better AF, I was hoping for another stop or more of usable ISO... Now I wonder if I should just buy the 2.5 year-old 5D3

Nicely played, Canon.

The 7DII was never going to be a low light king or competitor to the 5DIII in ISO performance. It's not possible with a APS-C sensor to achieve the same performance as a full frame sensor. It will be slightly better than the 7D and better than any of the 24mp competitors, but it's not going to gain you a full stop or more.

So, yeah, you need to buy a 5DIII.

I doubt Moore's law will continue to apply in photography as there's a "good enough" point just like computer power for word processing.

Yes! Someone else gets it.

Beyond a certain point, miniscule differences in sensors aren't going to sell cameras. But, 10 fps, 65 autofocus points, GPS, weather resistance, intervalometers, etc. will.

Lenses / Re: The New EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM
« on: September 11, 2014, 10:13:47 AM »
I think they should pair a 24-105 f/4 IS STM with a FF version of the 70D...

They will. It will be paired with the 6D, which is the full frame equivalent of the 70D (if it had all the features of the 70D it would cost much more).

...given that the f/4L is available for such a good price, has ring USM, has constant max aperture and has "red ring" cachet/build quality/sealing, I don't see the point of this new lens.

They can kit this lens with 6Ds and 5Ds, which will dry up the "white box" market on the "L" version and allow the 24-105 "L" street price to rise to a level that is closer to its MSRP.

I would actually argue that besides competition from phones a lot of the reason why the compact market was in trouble was because competition had driven prices for basic compacts so low that profit margins were limited even if sales were high. You look back 15 years and pretty basic compacts by todays standards were selling for $400+.

The big mistake that I think was made in the compact market that left it open to phones was IMHO sticking to relatively small sensors for too long, even high end compacts were stuck with 1/1.7' sensors for god knows how many years. Sticking with smaller sensors did mean that zoom ranges could increase but I'd argue that for the majority a 24-100mmish range is really all they need. Increasing sensor size sooner would have gotten more people used to higher quality phones would struggle to equal.

The future is I'd guess a move towards larger sensored more expensive compacts but I think its now much more of an uphill struggle as your having to user users back.

I don't really think so. Everyone carries a phone with them at all times. So, the convenience of having a phone that takes pictures was just too great for camera manufacturers to compete with.

The small sensors of compacts are frankly quite impressive, so I don't think most people using a phone as a camera would have changed their habits for a larger sensor (and a larger body) camera.

Finally, the nail in the coffin has been social media and wifi. Camera manufacturers were slow to adapt to the realities of wireless posting and still don't have the most intuitive designs. The slow adoption of touchscreen and the difficulty of typing on a camera haven't helped either.

Neuro might make fun of the Facebook button on the Canon, but frankly that's what a lot of people want and expect -- the ability to upload an image to their Facebook page with a single button.

All manufacturers, including Canon, have been embarrassingly slow in adapting to the new realities. People whine about esoteric issues like dynamic range, but here we are in 2014 and it sounds like the 7DII won't even have an integrated touch screen and wifi, much less an interface that allows users to access Photoshop's new Ipad app from their cameras, do some quick edits and post pictures straight from the camera.

Lighting / Re: How to Extend Flash Performance (Life on Site)
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:30:14 PM »
Is there any risk of these external packs (not the cp-e4 but the Godox etc.) blowing out the strobe?

Canon has the same as well, however the percentage that those subunits contribute to overall sales seems to be trivial.

Are you talking about just the imaging business? Because Canon's other divisions are very large and contribute substantially to the company's bottom line.

We are only talking about the Imaging business here. Nikon also has other divisions, some of which mirror Canon's other divisions. But those are well outside the scope of photography and video and your general "consumer" optics. Were not talking about industrial stuff, medical stuff, lithography stuff, etc.

Canon does have image stabilized binoculars. I believe they also have microscopes, but that is part of another division, so not counted here. Either way, the binoculars and microsocopes don't seem to contribute much to either companies Imaging divisions.

Yes, except that, at least in Canon's case, they take an integrated business approach. When the worldwide recession hit Canon's office products division hard they were able to use profits from their imaging division to offset losses and weather the storm. With the collapse of the point and shoot market, they have used their office and other divisions to maintain profitability overall. (This was all detailed in past investor calls and reports)

So, one of the main points that Neuro and others have emphasized is that overall profitability of a company is important to consumers because it determines whether or not a company has the resources to invest in R&D and has the reserves to weather changes in the marketplace.

This is why many of us are willing to cut Canon a little slack over miniscule differences in sensor performance. Because we are taking a long term approach to our investment in the company's equipment and we want the company to remain profitable over that long term. In the end, that results in a better product for us.

Canon has the same as well, however the percentage that those subunits contribute to overall sales seems to be trivial.

Are you talking about just the imaging business? Because Canon's other divisions are very large and contribute substantially to the company's bottom line.

Were you LOL-ing at the relative lack of interest in the D810 compared to the 5DIII? 

I think the LOL is because the search term "JRista" is flatlined. No interest anywhere by anyone apparently.

Photography Technique / Re: Finding your Specialty
« on: September 09, 2014, 12:14:10 PM »
Right now, I feel like I'm too unfocused (my apologies to this user on our forum).  I have done my best work in photography and elsewhere when I've been focused on one area or one thing.

No apology necessary. I chose that name because it, unfortunately, sums my personality up. I realize that if I'd been a bit more focused in life, I probably would have been more successful. But, I am what I am.

To your original question. I think we all go through this.

My solution (keeping in mind that I've spend a lifetime in journalism and communications) has been to give myself assignments periodically.

I find an area that I am interested in and start "collecting" images that I could use to produce a book. I know the book may not get published (although the ability to self-publish ebooks has certainly changed the market) and know it may not be commercially viable, but I find it helps to focus my shooting and add some much-needed discipline.

I spent about a year shooting a local historical park in all seasons and during all events, going out on weekends and whenever I could, at all times of day. It really helped me improve my shooting and I got some great images. I then researched the topic and wrote text for the project. I came close to getting it published, but it fell through. Nonetheless, I published it on my website and it gave me a great deal of personal satisfaction.


I'm now working on another one, in a much different vein. This one, I would expect will take me a decade or more to complete, if it ever is completed. In the meantime, I continue to shoot other things and begin to organize and develop them into themes for future projects.


Not sure this helps, but just a few thoughts.

One more, speaking of Scott Kelby, I attended one of his workshops recently and he talked about a very well-respected landscape photographer. He said someone asked the other photographer what his secret was in getting such incredible shots and the guy responded: "You have to be willing to go to each park or location 25 times, in all seasons and at all times."

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:55:03 AM »
Can you name one market where the best selling, most well marketed product is also clearly the "best" product?

What's your point? It you would bother following my past posts, you would know that I have always cited the "good enough" rule. "Good enough" technology always trumps the "best."

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D750 to be Canon 5D3 competitor?
« on: September 09, 2014, 11:05:14 AM »
Why are we getting sidetracked by a dodgy analogy?

Hey, it's something new. Better than reading the same progression of posts time and again.

Haha, fair enough. FWIW I don't think food or cars are a suitable comparison.

You would be correct. People (at least in western cultures) eat three meals a day. Each individual meal matters very little and the cost is low, so little consideration other than convenience goes into the decision.

Automobiles, in most first-world countries, are ubiquitous and both a necessity and a luxury, depending on disposable income and interest. While cameras are certainly common in most countries, they are not a necessity and in recent years a suitable alternative has surfaced for the bulk of consumers (cell phones). There is no universal transportation device owned by most people that can easily substitute for a car.

Analogies are almost always flawed, but these two are particularly flawed.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon T3i, 60D, 7D comparison (same sensor??)
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:54:41 AM »
Is there a reason people are responding to a 3 1/2 year old question?

I don't have access to any search engine data
Yeah you do. We all do:


I'm not sure what the point of this thread is beyond stirring up mud but we do have some access to search engine data at least. Just more fuel. Fantasy football for camera geeks. Take photos!

Very interesting. Thanks for the link.

I noticed this last week. I was surprised because when I looked the 5DIII wasn't even in the top 10, which is unusual, because for months the 6D and 5DIII have been the only full frame DSLRs in the top 20 or so.

The Nikon D810 was in the top 10 then, which was a surprise because the D800 had fallen way down shortly after it's release. (I think it was hovering around 40-50th place most of the year)

I see that the 5DIII is now back in the top 10 and slightly above the D810.

I think it's too early to tell if the D810 ranking reflects an initial surge due to its introduction.

This is a good source, but only for general trends, rather than a specific placement on any one day or week – Although the T3i seems to always be the Number 1 seller and has been that way for probably a year or more.

Since Amazon is the world's largest retailer, I don't think anyone should dismiss their sales numbers. But, like anything of this nature, each data point simply represents a snapshot in time and isn't meaningful until you see long range numbers. I certainly wouldn't get caught up in individual ranking spots (Camera X is in 8th place and Camera Y is in 10th place), as those slots shift over time, but still the general trends are enlightening.

Unfortunately, Amazon no longer seems to include the number of weeks a camera has been in the top 100 (at least I don't see it anymore). That was an important data point, because it helped give a better picture of the overall popularity of a camera body.

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