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Photography Technique / Re: The definition of insanity
« on: June 25, 2014, 01:19:57 PM »
Pruning down the gear takes discipline but it's worth it. Typically, my vacation travel kit consists of one body, either the 24-105mm or the 15-85 EF-S, and the 70-300 L.

My wife happens to enjoy taking pictures, hiking and birdwatching, so that makes it easier for me, but neither of us devote our vacations to photography, as we frequently travel with another couple so we make accommodations to keep everyone happy.

Getting up while everyone else is still sleeping to catch the early morning sun, or going out in the early evening to catch the late afternoon sun while everyone else is back at the apartment, condo or hotel resting provides some time for pictures.

Finally, it helps to keep some perspective. Most vacation sites have been photographed a million times, often by photographers who live in the area or who come back year after year, in all seasons, all times of day and all kinds of weather.  It's actually healthy to sit back and recognize that on your 10-day vacation you are unlikely to ever capture some new, never before seen iconic image of a site that 10,000 photographers visit every month, of every year.

Reviews / Re: DxO reviews Sony A7s: king of low light photography?
« on: June 25, 2014, 10:28:00 AM »
knowledgable users buy what they need more than uneducated users who buy what marketing tells them they should want. That's what Neuro keeps getting wrong.

Sorry, but this statement is just plain wrong. It demands a teaching moment.

Let's break it down: "Knowledgeable users buy what they need...

Go take a look at the "Anything shot with a 1DX" thread on this site. Go take a look at any of the Flicker groups dedicated to any brand's flagship camera – Sony, Nikon or Canon. Page after page of images all shot by knowledgeable users who clearly didn't buy what they needed

The truth is, if Canon, Nikon and Sony only sold cameras and lenses to those who need them, none of us would be able to afford a camera or lens.

People buy want they want and then rationalize it by saying it's something they need.  (Note: I make an exception here for the professional in any industry who truly does have a need for specific tools for specific jobs. But I have had enough life experience to know that even among business people, purchases are often driven by want rationalized as need.

"...uneducated users who buy what marketing tells them they should want."

This is so wrong, I hardly know where to begin.

Do you really think that after more than a century and billions upon billions of dollars spent on research, that marketing experts only know how to sell products to "uneducated" users?

If it makes you feel better and somehow superior to fool yourself into thinking you are able to outsmart people whose livelihood depends on selling you products that you think you need and believe you have independently and objectively assessed, go right ahead.

Trust me, businesses have your type down pat. If you are intrigued by Sony's A7s do you really think you arrived at that through some independent thought process, absent their product targeting?

Yeah...Yeah...I know. Your are unique --– just like everyone else.

EOS Bodies / Re: The new APS-C Champ. (My wild guess).
« on: June 23, 2014, 08:39:59 PM »
Since most of the rumors coincide with “new” sensor technology, and significantly lower noise...

Are there rumors about significantly lower noise? Maybe I've missed that. I've seen lots of rumors about new sensor tech (unnamed and undefined) and higher megapixels, but have there been any credible rumors about significant lower noise?

Love your pictures by the way.

This thread is all about Canon making such an incredible advancement in sensor tech with the 7DII that they feel they must incorporate those advancements immediately into the 5DIII and the 1DX.

I repeat (this time with emphasis added for the reading-challenged): I hope we see that kind of advancement, but I bet that we won't. (And, if anyone needs further explanation, that is not a dig at Canon, but rather skepticism that such an advancement is on the horizon and may not even be possible.)

If Canon can somehow extract a 1-stop improvement from the 7D sensor, that would put their top-of-the-line crop camera about on-par with their top-of-the-line full-frame cameras as far as pure sensor image quality goes.  That might be a bit embarrassing if they don't move pretty quickly to port that technology to the full-frame world ...

The key word is "if". Others who know more than I do about physics and sensor design have written extensively on this forum about the difficulty (some might say near impossibility) of achieving a full stop improvement from an APS-C sensor.

Frankly, I'd be very surprised if that is where Canon is going with APS-C. I believe they will play to the strengths of each format. High ISO sensitivity for full frame sensors, high resolution (more megapixels and thus more effective "reach") for APS-C.

I've often referenced what I see as Canon's two-body strategy for growth in a market that is becoming saturated. I suspect they have looked at their DSLR buyers and determined that the largest untapped DSLR customer base is single-body owners that can be converted to two bodies – one in each format. I still believe we will see a higher megapixel 7D with only slight improvements in ISO performance.

... On the one hand, it's very difficult to imagine any 7DII advancement of that magnitude. On the other hand, it's always risky to bet against the future when it comes to technological advancements.

I will hope we see that kind of advancement, but I will bet that we won't.

well, 24 MP at least 1 stop improvement for Noise, Banding and DR ... throughout entire ISO Range should be simple enough ...

Sorry, but that reads like a drive-by generic comment, rather than an actual response to my post.

Perhaps without realizing it, you are proving my point:

The changes you reference are evolutionary, not so revolutionary as to impact sales of either the 5DIII or the 1DX. Canon's full-frame DSLRs are outselling their competition by a wide margin.

They are under no competitive pressure to update any of their full frame models. Since the pressure is not coming from the outside, the only reason to update would be internal pressure and that would require a truly revolutionary advancement.

If Canon releases a 24 MP 7DII with  the improvements you suggest, that would be nice – but it's not going to suddenly cause 5DIII and 1DX sales to tank (doubtful it's going to even hurt 6D sales).

This thread is all about Canon making such an incredible advancement in sensor tech with the 7DII that they feel they must incorporate those advancements immediately into the 5DIII and the 1DX.

I repeat (this time with emphasis added for the reading-challenged): I hope we see that kind of advancement, but I bet that we won't. (And, if anyone needs further explanation, that is not a dig at Canon, but rather skepticism that such an advancement is on the horizon and may not even be possible.)

This really depends on just how revolutionary any new sensor technology introduced with the 7DII actually is.

DPAF was pretty significant, but not so much so that it caused a major disruption in the market, where everything without it was seen as obsolete.

It would take an incredible advancement in sensor tech to force Canon to rush 5DIII and 1DX replacements to market. On the one hand, it's very difficult to imagine any 7DII advancement of that magnitude. On the other hand, it's always risky to bet against the future when it comes to technological advancements.

I will hope we see that kind of advancement, but I will bet that we won't.

Very skeptical. It would have to be something very revolutionary to make me want to upgrade my 5DIII.

Only thing that comes to mind that would tempt me would be using DPAF to eliminate the need for AFMA – Camera looks at the on-sensor focus and then calibrates the lens to get precise focus through the viewfinder.

I have been critical of the moderators in the past for what seemed to me to be overzealous thought policing.

It feels to me like things have gotten better, but it may just be I don't care so much, or maybe the mods are worn down.

There have been times in the past when the popular kids were allowed to beat up on the psychos, getting the pyschos banned when they went crazy on the popular kids. But, there also seems to be less of that these days too. Maybe because most of the pyschos have been banned?

BTW, I'm a little confused about what the OP is complaining about. His thread is still there, right?

Software & Accessories / Re: Inconspicuous Messenger Bag
« on: June 20, 2014, 10:47:16 AM »
I went through this decision, too, and found that the retrospective was a little underpadded for my needs. I ended up with the LowePro Pro Messenger 200 AW, which fits up to two pro bodies, three lenses and a flash (or other similar combinations), but compresses to a smaller size when you're not carrying much.  It's very comfortable and is a dark gray color with no logos.  I've had it for a few years now and really like it.


I started with a LowePro 160 AW, then a 180 AW and finally settled on a 200 AW, so I'm a little too familiar with messenger bags.

Some things to think about: How do you carry your camera? Do you leave the lens on when it's in the bag and is it gripped?

Messenger bags tend to be a bit narrower than shoulder bags. They will accommodate a gripped body with lens, but it's a tighter fit than a traditional shoulder bag. If you leave a lens on the camera, which lens?

Some styles, like the LowePro 180, are deeper, so they accommodate a longer lens with body attached. But, if your typical lens is a 24-105 or similar, there is a lot of wasted space in these deeper bags.

The 160 is a fairly small bag, similar in specs to the bags you mentioned. I can fit a gripped 5DIII with lens attached and a 70-300 "L" in it and would probably have room for a strobe or maybe a small lens, but there isn't a lot of room to spare. It's a good walk-around bag and holds about as much as most of us would want to carry around.

I use the 200 AW though as my "main" bag, because it can comfortably hold quite a bit more. It's the one I load things into and stash beside me in the truck when I'm out and about. But more equipment means a heavier bag and I wouldn't want to lug it around everywhere on a trip.

My suggestion, look up the bags and compare the inside specs. Compare that to what you have now to get an idea of how much space you need.

Every brand is a bit different, but not hugely so once you get past a certain price point and settle on one of the name brands. Look at the inside measurements. I've looked and looked but never yet found a Tardis bag (Bigger on the inside than on the outside).

EOS Bodies / Re: Patent: Canon EF 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 IS STM
« on: June 19, 2014, 10:06:11 AM »
I wouldn't completely dismiss this.

The relatively low-cost and popularity of the 6D is putting a lot of full frame bodies into the hands of consumers stepping up from crop sensors. These customers are losing reach from their old 70-300mm lenses. The 70-300 IS is a weak performer long-overdue for replacement.

A consumer-priced 100-400 with compromises like STM and, presumably, less robust build, (similar to the EF-S 55-350 STM) could be a big seller for 6D step-up customers, especially for those interested in video.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:39:02 PM »
...Given that the 5DIII has sold better than the D800/E, please explain the flaws in Canon's strategy...
The fact that the 22 MP 5DIII has outsold the 36 MP D800/E and a7R supports the idea that the market has not demanded high MP...therefore, Canon sees no need to respond, quickly or otherwise.

I don't think Canon's strategy was wrong at the time. . .I don't think Canon could have produced the D800 two years ago at the D800 price period, which has nothing to do with whether or not the 5DIII was the right product for Canon to make...

...If it arrives around 3-4 years after the D800, which is similar to Canon's pro product cycle length, then I would think Canon is reacting to the D800.  If a high MP comes 5 or more years later (or never), then Canon decided that the high MP market was not worth its while.

Both Canon and Nikon responded to their customers. Nikon customers complained about Nikon's low resolution and Nikon overcompensated.

Canon's 5DII customers complained about the weak autofocus and were convinced Canon would just keep piling on pixels at the expense of noise and high ISO performance. (Go back and read some of the forum posts before Canon released the 5DIII.

Canon overcompensated by putting in an incredible autofocus, keeping the resolution almost the same and improving ISO performance.

Fortunately for Canon, their market research turned out to be more accurate than Nikon's. In fact, it was sufficiently accurate that they could charge a premium for the 5DIII over the D800 and still outsell Nikon by a wide margin.

I do think you will see a high megapixel body from Canon. It's just going to be in an APS-C format and called 7DII. (24mp scales out to more than 61mp in full frame). Why? Because a high megapixel 7DII plays to the format's strengths; it has a market; and it fits in with Canon's two-body strategy by nicely complementing Canon's full frame options.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:20:34 PM »
Here's my guess:
10 fps
24MP with equal or slight bump in high iso performance
Better weather sealing
4k video @24 fps, 120fps 1080 video
$2300 starting price
Digic6 and a new video processor
Dual sd card slot
AF system like 1DX, but with fewer points
Headphone jack
wifi and gps
articulated touchscreen
wireless flash controller
Wide selection of colours (black). no pink.
still uses LP-E6 battery

Very close to my earlier prediction

Note: this is not what a "wish list" but rather a prediction based on the market, competition and Canon's existing lineup:

24 mp dual pixel APS-C sensor;
Sensor performs marginally better than 70D sensor;
Autofocus equal to or exceeding the 5DIII;
Dual card slots, one each SD and CF;
Weather sealing somewhere between 5DIII and 1DX;
Mode dial replaced by 1D-style button (After CR Guy surfaced this rumor, I started thinking about it and it makes sense);
Touch Screen;
Integrated Wi-Fi and/or GPS;
Accessory grip/battery holder with weather-sealing slightly superior to 5DIII grip;
Frame rate slightly better than current 7D (Maybe 1-1.5 fps faster);
Pop-up flash with optical trigger (same as 7D);
Same back controls (joystick, click wheel, etc.) as 5DIII;
Fixed back screen (not tilting);
Video enhancements that I don't understand and won't use.

That about covers it.

I think you are a little high on the price; I don't see an articulated screen, but I do expect a touchscreen; I think it will have both a CF and SD card slot; I wouldn't be surprised to see some new configuration on the flash that allows for greater weathersealing; but basically I think we are pretty close.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 06:56:27 PM »
"holding back" could mean that production has started and they are waiting until they have sufficient stock produced and in place around the world for the release. Don't forget that it also takes time to get electronics certified in various countries and they cant ship until they can put that CSA, UL, or whatever certification on the units.

I guess it's a matter of semantics. I consider "holding back" to mean you have something all ready to go and you are choosing not to release it when you could. I don't think of all the ordinary, if massive, steps needed to move a product into the release stage as holding back.

At any rate, my point was the a camera body is not going to be held back by a version II of a long-existing lens. Much more likely, that the release date of a lens, which has a far longer shelf life and much more stable development path than a camera, is going to be determined by the release date of a camera, rather than the reverse.

All very minor points, but with forty-plus years of working in reporting and public information I get annoyed with throw-away editorial comments that have no basis in fact.
What is it with the "more megapixels"?...

Requirement of the marketing department. And people who want to crop excessively.

What's "excessively."

Higher megapixels plays to the strengths of the 7D. Full frame will always outperform APS-C at higher ISOs and with the 6D, Canon offers an affordable full-frame sensor for that market.

It's likely that the initial price of the 7DII will exceed the current street price of the 6D. So Canon has to target the product to audience demand.

Birders and wildlife shooters are a lucrative market that is not all that price sensitive – being comprised largely of people whose buying decisions are based on wants, rather than needs. Although most aren't going to be buying $8,000 super telephotos no matter how much they might want to.

These customers are often distance-limited and that requires cropping because you cannot get closer to the subject for dozens of various reasons. I expect people who want a bargain-priced 5DIII or 1D-X with high ISO sensitivity and low megapixels will be disappointed in the 7DII.

But for a great many people, pairing a 24mp or more 7DII with f8 focusing and a new 100-400 zoom plus 1.4 extender and then cropping it to 10mp will be their dream combination. Maybe you feel that's cropping "excessively" but absent the ability to sprout wings and fly alongside a Osprey fishing offshore, this is likely to be the only available option for many people.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 7D Mark II Speculation [CR1]
« on: June 18, 2014, 10:39:15 AM »
Canon holding back 7Dmk2 for a reason. I suspect 100-400 mk2 announcement, or some other coinciding situation.

Silly statement.

Canon could have released a 100-400 II at any time over the past five years or so. Lens technology doesn't change that much and this lens design has probably been sitting around for quite some time, just waiting for the right time to put it into production. There is no reason Canon would need to "hold back" any camera body for a lens.

And, what exactly does "holding back" mean? The implication is that the 7DII has been completed and ready to go for quite some time and Canon has allowed it to sit idle. Hardly a likely strategy for camera technology, which has a relatively short shelf life. Certainly all companies time their releases to obtain the maximum benefit, but that is a matter of weeks or months. To call it "holding back" reflects a gross misunderstanding of everything involved in a successful product launch.

You also know for sure when somebody says "I don't want video at all" and are commenting on a camera like this that they have no place making those comments and literally don't understand anything about why this camera *might* be really special.  This camera is extremely exciting to the video community. . .Don't assume that your uses are everybody's uses, or that the market that you see is the actual market. 

Well, you make a valid point (even it you were a little potty-mouthed about it). I certainly don't profess to know anything about video and have never claimed otherwise. If this is an ideal camera for video, so much the better.

Everyone, everywhere, has their own frame of reference based on their experience and needs.

I think this is an interesting concept that Sony is trying -- essentially interchanging sensors within the same camera body. Some people are skeptical about the likelihood of it being a successful strategy and I would fall into that category. Personally, I really don't care one way or the other, I'm just an interested observer who enjoys seeing companies compete, trying to second-guess their strategies and opining on whether or not they will be successful.

If this is an ideal video camera, great. That will only spur Nikon and Canon to more competition, which benefits all of us.

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