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EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 04, 2014, 11:42:12 AM »
Won't it be nice when the announcement is made? Then we can be rude to each other over actual specs, not just imagined specs.  :P

You win best comment of the day!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 04, 2014, 09:48:37 AM »
Why has this made it to page 30?

Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.

Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.

Don Haines
Posts: 3084

 ;)


And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P

I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)

Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!

Neuroanatomist: just a few posts, really.

What? No one else wants to play?

I spy something with my little eye...

I can't, I am on a self imposed exile for a week or so. But, intriguingly enough, I have a friend coming to stay who has a D800 (shame it isn't an 810 or E though) and a 24-70 so I am hoping to do some comparison images for my own piece of mind.

What better to make of such a thread than a kaleidoscope....  :o

Good read to pass time... I wonder if the forum will eventually put a limit on how many levels you can quote, or run out of memory and crash...

Probably not—that's all just handled with CSS in your browser—but eventually it will probably get to the point where the innermost quoted message is only one character wide.  :D
That would be fun!

Not a Kaleidoscope, and not an Aneurysm, it's a Squirrel!
Really?

thank god...this will surely get this thread closed. please, please, please, please.....>.<

How many generations is this ?
It does get to the point that someone will grab his camera and snap a picture of this extensive semi-natural phenomenon that best resembles the great piramids of Egypt in 2D representation (or not so sexy airial photography).
By the way... that is one fine squirrel!  :o
It's funny how squirrels appear once there are enough nuts loose....
Did someone really just try to revive the topic on the pointless discussion it was about for 30 pages?  :) This is kind of fight fire with fire.... stop the bullshit with....  :o I kinda prefer piramids and kaleidoscopes. However, my ultimate goal would be to actually make it look like a squirrel  ;D
Let's not off topic too much otherwise the admin might lock it up. We are totally discussing on the topic. Canon two generations behind? Nah, wait till you see the dual pixel + dual sensitivity sensor is out. The patent regards to this is very interesting. This is the next gen. dual pixel sensor. They've managed to make the two half pixels having different FWC and sensitivity so it gives you high and low sensitivity at the same time without losing resolution. Just like human eye, rods and cones anyone?  ::) I am personally looking forward to this solution and how it compares with Sony's exmor.

Canon two generations behind? No. Two generations ago, Canon was two generations ahead. It took Nikon that long to catch up.
Let's stay focused here people (says "unfocused") We are starting to annoy the trolls. Yes!

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I keep reading a whole bunch of reasons why Canon "should" switch to a Sony sensor for more DR, but I have yet to read one response that needs to be brought up:

In-house engineering expertise.

This is something I've thought about. As a manager myself, I wonder to what extent Canon management is concerned about the morale of their engineering and manufacturing divisions is they started buying sensors from a competitor, as many on this forum have suggested.

First of all, let's say for the sake of argument that Sony sensors really are better at this point in time (a judgment that is highly subjective and very suspect, since it hinges on tiny, tiny differences in just one subset of a sensor's overall performance, but that horse has been so thoroughly beaten, let's dispense with it for now)

What would it say to Canon's employees if the management team said, "sorry guys, you've done a good job but we decided to buy sensors from Sony because they are slightly better in one category that hasn't affected our sales in the slightest but it's caused a handful of people to go crazy on the internet."

It seems like the first impact would be a rush to the door by the most talented persons. They've spent countless hours perfecting products and now the management is saying, "sorry your best isn't good enough."

Who knows what would happen next? Maybe quality control would drop and Canon would ship out a bunch of cameras with sensors that have a serious oil leak on them and be forced to replace the model early and offer customers a free replacement at substantial loss to the company.

I don't know. Could such a thing happen?

Perhaps Canon, being a conservative company, figures: "well, these small differences are not affecting our sales. It's more a case of bragging rights. No one knows better than our own engineering team where we have to improve. They've done a great job innovating for us in recent years, let's hang in there with them for awhile and see what they come up with because we know they are pushing themselves harder than we ever could."

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 05:40:48 PM »
Why has this made it to page 30?

Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.

Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.

Don Haines
Posts: 3084

 ;)


And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P

I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)

Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!

Neuroanatomist: just a few posts, really.

What? No one else wants to play?

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 01:59:40 PM »
Manufacturers – not just Canon – are less and less likely to make big announcements at trade shows. There is too much risk that someone else's announcement will step on yours. Look at Nikon – their "big" announcement is likely to be another full frame body option. Not exactly groundbreaking.

Others may think the 7D announcement is underwhelming, but no other manufacturer appears poised to make a big splash. The 7D might actually end up owning Photokina.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 01:53:49 PM »
Why has this made it to page 30?

Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.

Take some OCD, coupled with a matter of life and death, plus a lack of humour.... throw in some raging testosterone and keep the whole mixture simmering over a troll baited flame.... Add DR for seasoning.... and you get enough posts to choke the server.

Don Haines
Posts: 3084

 ;)


And of those 3,084 posts, 3,083 have been cheerful, humorous, positive, constructive and/or peace-making. I'd say 3,084 were that way, but hey -- nobody's perfect.  :P

I was going to ask Mitch if he is experiencing Deja Moo... (The feeling that you have seen this bull before) :)

Unfocused: 2044 Posts. The only reason for posting this is to start one of those quote within a quote within a quote sequences that can look pretty cool when they get to about 20-30 quotes. Time to have some fun, demonstrate the absurdity of this thread and maybe break the Internet!

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Rundown of Canon at Photokina
« on: September 03, 2014, 12:05:02 PM »
A bit confused by the 24mm f/2.8 EF-S pancake prime. I use the 24mm f/2.8 IS on my SL1 and it is tiny.

I guess if you're really interested in saving a minute amount of weight & size, a little bit of money, and trade IS for STM it might be worth it. But I can't see it myself.

I've read (and participated) in all the discussions before on this lens. I'm with you. I still don't see it. 24mm EF-S means effective focal length of 38mm -- barely wide angle. It won't perform better than the 24 f2.8 IS and it will be the difference between small and really small.  Seems like the only advantage would be price, but I simply wouldn't want a 38mm equivalent lens even if it were free.

That's just me, though.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 03, 2014, 10:17:42 AM »
Why has this made it to page 30?

Because there is an extremely high correlation between Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and frequency of internet postings.

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(...Canon sensors suck balls at low ISO, compared to the norm today...it's just the simple truth of the matter. It may not affect everyone's work, but it doesn't change the facts.)

You'd better e mail this guy and tell him how misguided he is then:

http://www.colinprior.co.uk/home/

Or better still ask for a little advice:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01yswqj

Actually, I was going to suggest this guy: http://www.buildingpanoramics.com/ He seems to manage pretty well.

On the other hand, that interview reminded me of the quote about "nations divided by a common language." But then, I had to turn on subtitles when I watched "The Guard." :)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Guessing Game- Canon or Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 12:47:51 PM »
Can we have more fun threads and posts like this please?

How dare you suggest fun, when the fate of the world hangs in the balance – clearly you don't understand the importance of DSLR sensors.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Guessing Game- Canon or Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 11:10:13 AM »
Obviously Nikon, as there is this huge oil spot in the center of the frame that almost seems to be spelling out a word, looks maybe like "Cooright?"

Or maybe it's Canon and its a terrible case of shadow banding that coincidentally looks like letters.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 02, 2014, 10:05:18 AM »
Twenty-seven pages and still going. When the original post could have been answered in one word: "No."

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: September 01, 2014, 11:12:49 PM »
I've printed (well, had professionally printed, not at home) images at much larger than 13x19", without 'mushy red blotchy shadows' (although they weren't from a 5DIII).

The largest prints I happen to have on hand right now are 16 x 24 from a 7D. I had some from a 5DIII, but they are no longer in my possession. Shadows look good from a viewing distance of about 6 inches (which of course is closer than anyone will ever look at a printed picture of that size). My eyes won't focus much closer than that. Maybe people should try MPix. That's where I print.

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What's striking to me is why anyone would buy a product (and in another thread one of the most vocal complainers said he spent $25,000 on Canon gear) they don't like. And, if they bought something they didn't like, why would they choose to take their dissatisfaction to a forum, which is about the most ineffective way imaginable to complain. Just return the product, or sell it and chalk up any loss to experience.


That's called vendor lock in.
For a company it has the advantage of making the cost of changing prohibitive...until the wheel turns and you have to fight an uphill battle.

Nobody put a gun to anybody's head and forced them to buy a particular brand. How about people take responsibility for their own decisions for a change?

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Lenses / Re: Recent L Price Reductions: Thoughts?
« on: September 01, 2014, 12:59:50 PM »
Oops, I posted this under a parallel thread and should have done it here:

Keep in mind that the "price drops" largely match rebate pricing. I don't think we should assume too much until we see if rebates return with even lower prices.

For the past few years, Canon (and others) have pretty much had a constant cycle of never-ending rebates. Perhaps their marketing research has show that rebates are no longer effective and permanent price drops are a better approach. (With the price "drop" actually being about the same as rebate pricing in most cases)

I also wonder about the impact on the MAP system. Rebate periods were used to enforce MAP. Yet, MAP has proven to be virtually unenforceable no matter what manufacturers try. If Canon permanently lowers prices and then no longer uses rebates to enforce MAP, they may be throwing in the towel and effectively giving retailers more flexibility on pricing. From Canon's perspective, MAP was done as a favor to retailers and had no impact on the company's profits. Perhaps they just decided that it's not worth the hassle to try to swim against the current and try to enforce prices that retailers refuse to charge anyway.

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