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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:10:52 PM »
It's a matter of disgust. I'm pretty disgusted at the nature of this community these days. I'm a part of a number of online communities...this one is becoming one of the worst...

Yes, I certainly can understand that. I think many people have grown frustrated and disgusted because it seems like every single discussion topic ultimately gets turned into a endless debate over miniscule differences in sensor quality that few people can relate to.

I know I myself get tired of hearing the same old points repeated time and time again, with nothing new added to the discussion.

Canon can't even launch an innocuous little advertising campaign without it becoming a springboard yet again for people to complain about how their personal needs are not being met.

I suppose, in a way, we should all be thankful. The fact that the vigorous debates of the past on a multitude of topics have now been reduced to a handful of people repeating the same talking points over and over again on just three main topics (dynamic range at low ISO settings, mirrorless vs. DSLR and how many megapixels are enough) shows us just how far the technology has advanced in the past few years.

We probably all ought to be embarrassed that this is best we can come up with to debate.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:25:14 PM »
I think from a marketing point of view it makes perfect sense (though not too sure about the countdown timer!) as they're trying to show the company's products as a whole and more importantly how their products are used by real people. The most sophisticated gear in world doesn't mean jack if I don't know how to take advantage if it. A camera on it's own is useless without a vision of what you want to achieve. In a sense that's what flickr and other photo sharing sites are for me (and most other photogs). But other professions don't really have a source of inspiration like that. Admit it, you'd never try HDR unless you saw an example of it now would you? Some bloke makes a YouTube video on why and how and bam everyone runs out to buy a DSLR. (OK maybe not quite like that!) but you get my point.

And YouTube comments? Nothing but trolls. I've seen downvotes for some heartbreaking vids with nasty comments to match. Do you think Canon stands a chance against those trolls? If Aliens came down to Earth and based their opinions on humanity solely on YouTube comments they would (rightfully) think we are all a bunch of wormholes!

Very well said. Thanks also for trying to get this thread back on track and my apologies for allowing myself to get caught up in the negativity and trolling.

You are exactly right. It is a very good strategy for a company trying to demonstrate a unified message across a broad spectrum of products.

I get a little frustrated because I told everyone well before it launched that it was a marketing campaign based on the theme of Canon helping people see the impossible. The same basic concept had already been reported on an Italian site, so it wasn't hard to figure out.

Unfortunately, people get all caught up, thinking Santa is real and is about to bring them a brand new present, then they lose all perspective and start lashing out when it turns out Christmas isn't here yet.

Again, thanks for restoring some perspective and my apologies to the greater CR community if I momentarily sunk to the level of – to use Neuro's now immortal term – the CR Drones.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:13:38 PM »
Ah, there's that wonderful CR hostility. Just love the feel in the air around here these days. This is such a wonderful community.  ::) ...

...Well, anyway. Good to see all that hostility is still there. Man, I really just love this community. So open and welcoming.   ???

Ah yes, there's that "poor pitiful me" self-pity starting to surface. I never thought I'd say this, but I actually appreciate Dilbert because he's at least willing to engage in the debate without playing the victim.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 10:03:54 PM »
I am drone and proud.  :)

F*cking Canon. Stupid enough to tease about their future advertising rather than working full tilt on their sub-par sensors.

And speaking of the "feel in the air around here these days".  That about sums it up.

Lol. I'd rather be a digital rebel ;-) than being unfocused or on canon's payroll. Must feel really shirty right now.

More light! More DR, Sire! :-)

Sorry, no idea what you're saying!

Me neither. I'm not even sure how someone feels "shirty."

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 07:17:24 PM »
...however the youtube comments, well, are...

Oh give me a break! You really can't think that "youtube" comments are representative of anything other than the opinions of the handful of individuals who comment – who, for that matter, could very well be Sony employees for all you know.

 
...but look at the reaction to this really TERRIBLE ad campaign...it comes off as arrogant and out of touch.

Okay, so now, in addition to being the world expert on low ISO shadow noise, you are also an expert in advertising campaigns? Did Canon share their focus group results with you or are you once again assuming your opinion is more valid than Canon's market research?

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 05:54:57 PM »
They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Look at the beating they are getting on the youtube page, it's 5:1 thumbs down to thumbs up at least and I didn't notice a single positive comment while quickly scrolling through. It may still be a minority in the real world, but it's a lot more than 6  ;D.

Combined total for the two videos: Sixty-two comments, 255 thumbs down out of 14,794 total views. That's 1.7% thumbs down. Quite a beating. I just don't know how Canon will survive that.

That's kind of playing political tricks there taking thumbs down as percentage of views and not votes.
One video has 120 thumbs down out of 134 votes or 90% negative votes. And the other has 286 out of 324 or 88% thumbs down.

Granted people who are upset do tend to vote more than those who are happy. It's hardly a scientific poll in any regard at all, true enough though.

But you have to admit not a lot of youtube videos get 88% and 90% thumbs down ratings.

You can have all the "thumbs down." It's still a tiny fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction, of a fraction of the customer base. Let's get  back to the original point: when someone writes "everybody" is complaining, they are just plain making crap up and that's what I object to.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 02:51:49 PM »
Canon is not in financial trouble so doesn't need a turnaround specialist.

On the other hand: http://www.wkrb13.com/markets/387489/nikon-corp-downgraded-by-goldman-sachs-to-sell-ninoy/


Too many people are over reacting to a piece of marketing that they don't like. Get over it.

But that would require rational behavior. It's much more fun to make silly comments on a forum.

As marketing goes, I certainly like this a lot better than some guy sitting by a campfire in the middle of the night fiddling with his hipster, retro camera.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 02:40:19 PM »
They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

Look at the beating they are getting on the youtube page, it's 5:1 thumbs down to thumbs up at least and I didn't notice a single positive comment while quickly scrolling through. It may still be a minority in the real world, but it's a lot more than 6  ;D.

Combined total for the two videos: Sixty-two comments, 255 thumbs down out of 14,794 total views. That's 1.7% thumbs down. Quite a beating. I just don't know how Canon will survive that.

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After 25 pages this thread is starting to provide some useful information. How disappointing. :)

Can we go back to lifting shadows by five stops and arguing over banding?

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Lighting / Re: POLL: What flash modes do you use?
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:40:49 AM »
Canon spent millions perfecting the system, I paid for the convenience. Why use manual if I can use ETTL and not waste time?

The fact that the flash has different modes would indicate that there is not one mode that works for every photographer for every photograph under every condition.

If you are happy with ETTL then ETTL is the best mode for you.  Others may prefer the other modes.  Still others use multiple modes depending on the circumstances.

Such is the photography world.  :)

Yes, of course. I didn't intend to criticize other choices. My intended point (obviously not well-made) is that we pay for top-of-the-line products that have been thoroughly engineered and tested to perform certain functions and then sometimes, not always and not directed at anyone on this thread, people get on forums and seem to think it's a point of pride NOT to use the technology they've paid for.

I was simply trying to make the point that ETTL is pretty darn good on Canon flashes and there is no reason anyone should be embarrassed or made to feel less of a photographer is they choose to use it. To me, it's sort of like "P" is for professional. Use whatever mode you want and don't let anyone intimidate you, because in the end, it's the photograph that counts.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 09:42:59 AM »
I'm betting that they are simply launching a new marketing campaign. I could easily see a bunch of ads built around the concept that Canon helps people "see the impossible."

Maybe next time you all will listen.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 09:37:38 AM »
... Maybe it's just me but I'm completely immune to the "I use this *Smile* and you should to....." campaigns.

If it makes you feel better, keep telling yourself that.

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Canon General / Re: seeimpossible.usa.canon.com?
« on: October 07, 2014, 09:32:59 AM »
With all respect...

Always a giveaway that no respect will follow

They see everybody complaining about missing DR, high MP or Mirrorless...

Yes everyone....no wait...actually about six people who keep repeating the same complaints over and over again.

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Lighting / Re: POLL: What flash modes do you use?
« on: October 06, 2014, 10:04:03 PM »
ETTL. It's superb on the 600 RT (as it was on the 580EXII).

I put the camera on manual, pick the f-stop and shutter speed I want, set the A:B C ratios and let the flash do the rest. It's almost always right on. If it isn't, I simply adjust the flash exposure compensation and dial it up or down a bit. I've thought about using the D & E groups, but honestly I can usually find the right mix with just A:B C.

Canon spent millions perfecting the system, I paid for the convenience. Why use manual if I can use ETTL and not waste time?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Is Canon now two generations behind Nikon?
« on: October 06, 2014, 08:06:07 PM »
Ican't speak to D800 because I have never used one, but my take on the great 5dM3 is this . . . when you make something that takes that IQ and feels so good in your hand . . . why would you want to change it.

+1. I won't.

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