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EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 09, 2014, 06:52:24 AM »
As a old Sigma cams user, i can tell you that if this rumor is real you can only expect...

Newest Foveon sensor it's a terrible mistake, there is almost half a year after Quattro introduction and Sigma can't get noise level right even at base ISO100, just look at pictures there is so distinctive noise in blues and light parts of the images that even older sensors not only Merrill but even 1.7 crop Foveon sensors can get better results.

This is all very amusing to me. When Sigma Foveon cameras first hit the market, users were literally RAVING about them. They were putting down Bayer sensors in the market, especially the CMOS sensors from Canon. Of course, all problems associated with Foven sensors were either disputed, denied or dismissed.

Now, the skeletons are coming out of the closet. I am wondering if this may also be true for current users of other competing brands... you know who you are. ;D

Anyway, like what I said earlier, if this mutlilayer sensor technology indeed comes to pass, we can be sure most of the apparent drawbacks will have been ironed out already. Didn't folks make the same dire prognostications when Canon first announced their implementation of CMOS instead of CCD sensors? Sigma may not be able to resolve the accompanying issues of multilayer sensors, but this does not imply Canon and Sony (which also has patents on multilayer sensors) do not have other clever tricks up their sleeves.

EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 09:44:06 PM »
Maybe they have some totally new tech that makes it able to do better at high ISO and low ISO than the regular type of sensors they are using now? And maybe it provides great colors and they have a ton of processing power to handle all the data and the less efficient data storage is more than outweighed by how well they have the basic tech working (CFA filters rob a lot of light, if they managed to capture almost all of it with three layer that could be the only way to give a big boost to high iso at this point; but it would take some amazing new tech as all the current three layer tech actually does worse in most regards)?

If not, though, then it does seem potentially questionable yeah.

One thing we ought to remember is that when Canon first embarked on CMOS sensor technology, there were lots of skeptics out there. At that time, most believed in the superiority of CCD to CMOS, until they were proven wrong. ;D

On another note, Sony also has a patent on multilayer sensor:

So, Canon is not alone. Almost appears as if Foveon type sensor is the Nirvana for sensor designers, despite Eric Fossum's doubts. ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:35:09 PM »
So what's the point, then? It sounds like there are lots of drawbacks with the only potential advantage being "truer colors."

Does modest low ISO DR mean worse than current Canon sensors, similar to current Canon sensors, or similar to Canon sensors with the potential for a big DR increase given innovative tech/manufacturing?

There is another plus: DXOMark won't be able to grade the new sensor, just like they do not test Fujifilm sensors with their unique RGB layout. So, less DXOMark angst in these forums. ;D

As for DR, high ISO performance and AF speed, no one really knows how these will be affected. But if Canon is confident enough to introduce new sensor technology into their top end body, I am sure all these potential drawbacks have already been addressed. Let's hope we do not see a repeat of the 1D3 AF saga.

EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:21:01 PM »
Neuro and I both wrote on that article mentioned...

And nobody can't persuade me that there wasn't that call to that member of Canon Explorer of Light who was told to tell to CR about it...

Come on! That's cheap!

Judging by the numerous grammatical errors in those Adweek comments, I am pretty sure it's not the same Neuro in CR forum. ;D

Also, the Canon Explorer of Light has not revealed anything more than what Maeda said in the DPReview interview. ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:10:01 PM »
Completely off-track here but I've a question for Fujifilm users. Doesn't Adobe still struggle with Fujifilm RAW files? I know there are improvements, but they are still not entirely artifact free. So, how does one cope with that?

Reviews / Re: Scott Kelby 7D Mark II Real World
« on: October 08, 2014, 07:04:31 PM »
I generally like the 7D2 specs. But I find the 7D body weight off-putting. Too bad, Canon could not squeeze these specs into a 70D body.

EOS Bodies / Re: Multilayer Sensors are Coming From Canon [CR2]
« on: October 08, 2014, 06:59:15 PM »
Finally, a noteworthy rumor.  ;D

EOS Bodies / Re: Poll: Would you buy a high MP Canon EOS 5DIV?
« on: October 08, 2014, 05:15:16 AM »
I am keen on a 46 MP EOS 5D Mk IV (or better still EOS 6D Mk 2). Reason is simple: I get to crop down to 18 MP APS-C size. So I effectively get 46 MP FF and 18 MP APS-C cameras in 1 package. Sounds good.  ;D

But I may change my mind if this really happens. ;D

Lenses / Re: Is FoCal worth ~$150?
« on: October 07, 2014, 11:06:07 PM »
I now use Dot Tune under Magic Lantern. Automates the entire process and takes statistical average based on multiple tries. Far more accurate than what I can do manually. Most importantly, it's free.

I also have FoCal but the package now sits in my storage cabinet untouched since I started using Dot Tune.

EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 10:04:18 AM »
At the end of the day, people will migrate to native short flange-distance lenses for mirrorless cameras, of course. But those little adapters will tide us over for as long as we want or for as long as we may have to wait for the right native lens to come along.


EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 03, 2014, 09:50:02 AM »
To me, after using XE2 for over a year, they are GREAT.

From http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-e2/3:

"One significant improvement Fujifilm claims compared to the X-E1 relates to the refresh rate in low light. Where the X-E1's finder dropped to 20 fps at 2EV, the X-E2 can now maintain 50 fps, which gives a noticeably more fluid and natural-looking live view feed. The consequent trade-off, though, is a visibly noisy viewfinder image in low light, especially when shooting with a zoom lens (as opposed to a fast prime)."

EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 11:49:37 PM »
Many of us on this forum have been asking Canon to catch up with Sony, but we want Canon to catch up with their sensors, and NOT the horrible evf!

Unfortunately, the EVF end is inevitable. See here:

"... it’s inevitable that DSLRs eventually become mirrorless... DSLRs are too complex to continue to drop in inflation-adjusted pricing and stay in that under-US$1000 pocket. So we’ll see separate parts (meter, focus sensor) move into the ever-improving image sensor, and the things they previously needed to support them disappear. Exactly the way Sony has done it in the A7 series...

Mirrorless approaches will drive out problematic complexity and cost; they remove components (meter, focus system) and put them on the sensor itself at no other tangible cost than R&D."

EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 10:23:25 PM »
The Olympus OM-D E-M10 can use their iPhone app. For wireless remote with live view and touch screen focus. The Canon 6d uses Canon similar app. and I have to say Olympus app is better.
I have the grip for both cameras and flash for both cameras so Olympus doesn't really have that much of a gap than Canon.

Thanks for the info.

But as many users have pointed out, there is still a preference for non-wifi remote as one does not need to worry about phone battery. Also, is there a wired remote to allow star trails photography?

In addition, doesn't the use of grip negate the size/weight advantage of the E-M10? This however is not a concern for me as I am used to carrying spare batteries. :)

EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 05:29:13 PM »
Call me negative, but I think it is too late for Canon. Everyone who wants those things in a primary camera has already bought a Panasonic, FUJIFILM, Olympus or Sony camera and lenses.

What Canon brings to the table for me:
i) customer service (may vary according to where one lives) is great where I am
ii) backward compatibility with wide range of EF and EF-S lenses, e.g., neither Panasonic, Fujifilm, Olympus or Sony has a > 150 mm (FF equivalent) 1:1 macro lens; I can adapt an EF 100 mm macro lens on EF-M camera without significant loss in AF capability...
iii) compatibility with ACR/Lightroom: Adobe has problems with Fujifilm RAW files
iv) accessories, e.g., Panasonic, Fujifilm, Olympus and Sony all have gaps with respect to wired and wireless remotes

EOS Bodies / Re: Next Rebel Going EVF? [CR1]
« on: October 02, 2014, 09:44:24 AM »
I like the idea of a hybrid Rebel/EOS-M with an EF-M mount and a more substantial grip for a decent sized battery.

Didn't Canon just release the 7D2 camera, EF-S 24 f/2.8 STM pancake and EF-S 10-18 STM lenses recently? Canon is not likely to abandon their EF-S mount any time soon.

On the other hand, I won't be surprised if Nikon abandons their DX line altogether. They will rather produce a FX D750 camera than a DX D300s update.

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