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Lenses / Sharpest Ultra-wide Lens for Full Frame
« on: September 30, 2012, 02:16:26 PM »
I currently have the Canon 60D and will upgrade to either 5D Mk III or 6D. I currently own the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DX Pro and absolutely love it. However, once I make the jump to full frame I am contemplating buying one of the following UWA lens. I currently have the Canon 24-70L as well.

1) Canon 16-35 f2.8L
2) Canon 17-40 f4L
3) Canon 14 f2.8L II [not too eager as it's way too expensive :( ]

Though I hoped there was a 14-24 version from Canon. :(

Of the 3 mentioned, which one delivers greater contrast and sharpness. If there are any other lens from Canon or other brands that will delivers stellar sharpness in the center of the frame as well as in the corners then I am open to suggestions. Thanks in advance!

Lenses / Re: Wide Angle Zooms (non Canon)
« on: September 27, 2012, 04:14:27 PM »
You didn't list it, but the Sigma 12-24mm is a fantastic lens.  I bought it last year knowing that I'd eventually like to upgrade to a FF.  The 12-24mm is 2mm wider than the 10mm lenses you listed, but is compatible with my new 5Dm3 and 7D.  Happy I went with it over the 10-22mm.

OH thanks for reminding me about that lens :D I do plan on getting it. It seems like a really great FF UW. It's pretty darn expensive though. I'll think about it. How wide is 12mm on a FF camera anyways?

12mm.  :-)

The math for the Sigma on a crop sensor would be 12 x 1.6 = 19.2.  So it would be roughly 19mm on any camera < 5D.  I noticed a pretty big difference when I popped it on my 5Dm3 for the first time... REAL happy I decided to spend the extra money on a FF UW than get a crop UW.

As for the additional price, building lenses for larger sensors means more glass, more engineering, more cost.  Hence why all the EF-S lenses in Canon's lineup (except one) are under $800.

Personally, I refused to buy an EF-S lens, even though I had my 7D for almost three years before getting my 5Dm3.  I'm real happy I did, as all my lenses are interchangeable between my two cameras.

How is the build quality of the Sigma 12-24? Also image quality? Does it have filter thread? I also was thinking going for the Sigma or the Tokina's UWA for FF body but was not sure whether their image quality and build quality.

EOS Bodies / Re: 3dx?
« on: September 26, 2012, 08:30:55 PM »
Just saw this as well, the body looks mean =O 'Eye Control' tag looks interesting! Tell me you can control the af points using the eye to track subjects =O

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Sigma 70-200 OS
« on: September 25, 2012, 09:40:08 PM »
Probably most of you here swear by Canon's 70-200L IS II, and for excellent reasons. From numerous forum posts here I can understand this is one of the best zooms produced, period. But I am not looking for any more info about Canon's offering. What I am looking for is personal experience of those of you who might be using the Sigma 70-200 OS. It would be great if any of you actually used both the Canon and the Sigma. Would you please care to share your opinions and experiences? I am not a professional photographer, so justifying buying the Canon is almost impossible for me. The similar offering from Tamron does not yet have OS/VC/IS. So it would be a great help to learn from your opinions and experiences about the Sigma lens. Thank you all in advance.

Haha, I was just about to create this thread of my own but saw yours. I am in the same boat as you. I am also looking at the Sigma 70-200 OS because Canon's offering is a bit too expensive for me right now. However, I am mainly concerned about these areas

1) Image Quality
2) Build Quality
3) AF sync with Canon's body. Is there any noticeable difference when trying to get a lock on your subject using the Sigma compared to Canon's version.

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 6D Official Specs
« on: September 17, 2012, 04:29:21 AM »
Meh! Spec wise very anti-climatic. I cant see anyone from a 60D, 7D jumping onto this. No AFMA, No CF slot, view finder 97% really is a let down. 11 point as well, although depending on what sort of AF algorithm they have implemented on this 6D remains to be seen. For the price I feel the jump seems very short imho. :(

Update: Ok, so it says in dpreview site there is AFMA borrowed from the 5D3

EOS Bodies / Re: Adorama is selling 5d3 for $2745 on eBay now
« on: September 16, 2012, 02:38:27 PM »
Hey, any of you used their Bill Me Later payment method? I could be wrong but it says in the payment section that even through Bill Me Later, you have to pay in full (the full amount of $2700+) at the time of purchase. Or am I reading it wrong? :/

Sigh, it seems that offer is over now.

Lenses / Re: Anyone heard when BH, Adorama or Amazon will ship 24-70 II?
« on: September 13, 2012, 04:00:20 PM »
Amazon typically runs a couple of months behind on new high end photo items.  Adorama and B&H are among the first.  Small local shops also seem to be pretty fast.  They only order one at a time, and Canon seems to want to support them.

And the fear in this is that Amazon is supposed to be adding sales tax on all orders as of this Sunday. In CA in my area that's 9.75% or about an extra $225.  Its been a nice ride in the past, but those days are coming to an end. At this point, it makes sense to buy from your local brick & mortar store and skip the shipping costs.

Whaaa? Nooooo :'(

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D600 $2700 MSRP??
« on: September 13, 2012, 12:35:24 AM »
Nikon D600 just announced, Read more at:

Shutter speed 1/4000th of a second? :/

You have a lovely photostream!!!

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Wide angle lens for EF-S?
« on: September 10, 2012, 03:25:56 PM »
For me Tokina, all the way. I have had the same dilemma as you when I was hunting for a UWA for my crop body. I returned the Canon 10-22, as it felt like a plastic toy beside the tokina which is built like a tank and was not as sharp as the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DX Pro. Solid construction, and razor sharp. Yes that 1mm difference is what you loose if you get the tokina, but the sharpness you get from this beast is razor like ( even at f2.8 ). The color rendered from the tokina is amazing given it's a 3rd party lens. Also it gives you awesome 8 stars on street lights/light source when stopped down. Pair the tokina with a multi-coated circular polarizer from B+W or Hoya and you will love what it spits out.

The only thing that had me thinking is the lens flare. Yes, Canon controls lens flare a bit better, but it is not too bad in tokina. I have been shooting over 1.5 years with the tokina and so far lens flare has never given me any  trouble. Also, depending on what you are shooting you can use the lens flare generated from UWA lens to your advantage as an aesthetic element in your composition. Also, I thought the shorter focal range in tokina might come off as a disadvantage for me when composing. So far, I have shot mostly at 11mm and wish I could go even lower/wider and not up. Tokina's 11-16mm Mark II now has a built in AF drive hence it is also a lot quieter.

EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Raw, mRaw, sRaw of JPEG
« on: September 08, 2012, 12:09:09 PM »
I did a test a while ago on my 7D, RAW vs sRAW.
I don't have time to find the original thread, gotta go to work, but the conclusion was that RAW delivers better noise and detail compared to sRAW, when scaled to the same size.
sRAW is only for saving card space, nothing else, if you want quality go RAW.

Would be great help if you could post the link to the thread you were talking about. I shoot in sRaw but was contemplating whether shooting in RAW would yield photos with slightly better output.

Lenses / Canon 70-200 f2.8L (non-IS) vs Canon 70-200 f4L IS
« on: September 07, 2012, 06:14:17 AM »
Currently using the Canon 60D, and maybe down the road (maybe a year or two) will go for a full frame body. I am sure many of you faced the same dilemma. While I'd love the f2.8L IS I or II of this lens, the budget is keeping me from going for it. :'(

Was scouring the flickr pages, forums for photos taken with the f2.8L (non-IS) and f4L IS. Since I have no experience with this lens (considering its weight and size) I was wondering how difficult it is to keep the f2.8L (non-IS) steady while framing your shot. I am asking this because a friend of mine bought the f2.8L (non-IS) but returned it because it was difficult (at least for him) to get a good shot and freeze his subject (unless with high shutter speed). I know this various from person to person, as some of us may have steady hands than others. Any experiences shared here would be really helpful.

Also, I was wondering given the f4L lens with it's biggest aperture of f4; how is it's bokey quality in comparison to the bokeh rendered by the f2.8L at f2.8.

I am guessing the f4L IS is sharper. Correct me if I am wrong.


I never got a shot to look like this on my t2i, I get them all the time with the 5d ii :

Great shot.  Did you use any diffused flash to light the subject? Some folks experienced banding on their photos (visible when cropped 100%) taken with the 5D mk ii, I was wondering if you have ever faced such issue with your 5d mk ii?

Great feedback as usual. It left me thinking, maybe save up and get the 5D mk iii later. Have they fixed black AF point issue, also how do I make sure I dont end up getting a body that has the light leak issue?

Technically, the images will certainly be better but will still be dependent on your creativity if you're looking at it aesthetically.  Upgrading is good but it also depends on your financial capability.  It will still be better to build your lens list first before you upgrade to a better body and just keep on shooting.  After you buy your lenses then I think it will be the best time to upgrade the body.  The body by that time will either be a lot better than the current or a lot cheaper.  Please remember that most of the time, it's the lenses that will limit your ability to take photos and not the camera body especially that it's 60D, still one of the newest camera body in Canon lineup.

Yeah, I was going that route before deciding to change the body. I have noticed I really really struggle with reach even with crop body. I initially planned to get the Canon 70-200 f2.8L (non-IS) but held out thinking telephoto of this range would probably be better with IS (to reduce camera shake) given I avoid bumping up the ISO in my 60D to avoid grains/noise. I have the following lens at this time

1) Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DX Pro
2) Canon 24-70mm f2.8L
3) Canon 50mm 1.8 II (which I am selling off as I barely use it)

So if end up not purchasing a new body, I will most likely eye 70-200 f2.8L. I see myself selling off the Tokina IF I do go for a full frame, even though that is by far my most favorite lens. :( Maybe replace it with Canon 17-40 f4L?

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