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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D3 Information & Poll (your thoughts)
« on: November 09, 2011, 11:20:55 AM »
Strangely, I keep reading around the web many people believe that while the 1DX will be the still photographer's camera (obviously true), the MkIII will be the video camera.

Not so.

Chuck Westfall, Canon Tech Advisor on the 1DX: 'It will be the most desirable product for people wanting movie shooting in a DSLR."

Of course Canon's tech advisor is going to say this, and as of the moment it may be true.  Canon is trying to use the 1dx to squeeze some juice out of the video market, but it's clear there is going to be a better option coming soon. 

If the advisor said "the 1DX is the most desirable product for movie shooting on a DSLR, but we have an even better camera coming soon that will be cheaper," no one would buy the 1DX for video.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5D X
« on: November 09, 2011, 11:16:25 AM »
I'm highly doubtful the next 5D will carry an "X" moniker.  It wouldn't seem prudent for Canon to take such a large gamble with a larger segment of their market - they're free to gamble with the 1D X (and I think that until the reviews come in many photographers are going to be on the fence, if not extremely wary) but the "X" signifies a large overhaul of the system.  To do that with the 5D - well, would they do that for the lowly Rebels, too, or the 7D?  Meshing together the marketing isn't a good enough reason; the X would most likely signify comprehensive changes to the format and I don't see those changes being too likely for other cameras in the range.

Are you saying you wouldn't buy a camera because of the name?  5D Mark III, 5DX, I don't care what it's called, if it has great specs, I'll buy it.

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EOS Bodies / Re: T2i vs. 60D vs. 5dMKII
« on: November 08, 2011, 01:47:51 PM »
Everyone is making great suggestions/recommendations, but no one is mentioning the fact that dslrs are not great for documentaries.  It's hard to run and gun and you're limited to 12 minute clips, which can ruin a great interview.  Just a thought, but if you have to get a DSLR go witha 60d.

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United States / Re: EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 or EF 16-35 f/2.8L
« on: November 08, 2011, 01:00:22 PM »
While the 16-35 looks awesome on an aps-c, that 17-55 is seriously sharp, possibly the sharpest zoom I've ever used....sharper than the 24-70 I had at the time.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« on: November 04, 2011, 06:39:43 PM »
I'm extremely disappointed by this announcement.  These are the features many of us wanted, but they should just be part of the evolution of DSLR.  Canon is forcefully separating camps into (likely highly expensive line of equipment) which really goes directly AGAINST the reason DSLR video had such widespread success in the first place.  Pro-equipment being affordable (or at least with-in reach) in the hands of the masses was largely the point and this seems to miss that entirely.

They just fractured a business model that was working perfectly for them.  I fear they have done something quite so very stupid.  If this doesn't interfere with the natural progression DSLR video was on, then fine, no harm no foul, but only time will tell, and I've smelled this smell before.  It's a distinct smell.

I'm not at all impressed, the 5D Mark III and the 7D Mark II (and probably even the 1DX) should be/have been launched with 4k capability, as it's quite essentially useful for editing 1080p format.  It allows the editor the ability to re-crop and or pan the image and as well use digital image stabilization and then have some room around the frame to crop after stabilizing the content.  Similarly, higher than needed framerates, etc. etc., all things Canon could have been working on and figuring out for our replacement models instead of this....

The sensors on DSLR are already capable of 4k pixel wise, and so are the lenses.  Regardless, I'm going to have to simply ignore all the new products, let Hollywood blow their wad on it, I just hope it doesn't interfere with one of the main reasons I got into Canon DSLR video in the first place.  I'm not happy or excited, in fact I feel kind of used and stupid for playing along.  Time will tell, but if they don't eventually release the features we need on the budgets we have someone else will, and then where will they be?

p.s. I am not going to waste precious budget splitting my photography and film needs across multiple product lines, why do you think I got a DSLR?  Oh and, I'm already sick of the new marketing term "EOS Movie".

This has been your negatively honest announcement for the day, enjoy your breakfast.

You think it's a bad announcement because they didn't announce what you wanted.  They had to start somewhere with their EOS Cinema line, and debuting a camera good enough for Hollywood to use was a good way to establish themselves as major players in the industry.  This is a totally different division of Canon, they had to bring something big out.

We all know they're working on a 4K DSLR, just have some patience and it will come.  Your film-making capabilities are not any less today than they were a week ago.  You can still make something great with a 5D/7D, our time will come soon enough.

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Lenses / Re: canon is not for poor film makers anymore! 47,000$??!!!
« on: November 04, 2011, 06:24:56 PM »
Sure it's out of most everyone's price range, but it wasn't meant for the masses.  Canon released this first to come out strong introducing the whole EOS Cinema line and make an impression on Hollywood and get some cred with the bigwigs. 

Next logical move would be to release a more prosumer level (but capable) Cinema DSLR, which they are in the process of doing.  They know how hungry we are for a reasonably priced, really awesome camera, and I'm sure they'll deliver.  Business is business, and I think they made the right move.

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Lenses / Re: How much!?
« on: November 04, 2011, 01:11:28 PM »
Arri Master Primes are $22k+/each
http://www.abelcine.com/store/Arri-Master-Primes/

And it's not uncommon for PL zooms to be that expensive.  Those are MASSIVE lenses and quite complex and produced on a much smaller scale, I don't think the price will be much of a shock for Hollywood folks.  And I'm sure people will opt to rent these, they are just too expensive to own.

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EOS Bodies / Re: *UPDATE 2* The Red Dot EOS DSLR
« on: November 04, 2011, 01:04:15 PM »
It really looks likecanon rushed for this event. Personally, i think that camera there is indeed 1dx. The only difference is the badge on it. Thats why they dont let any one hold it or test it because they rush to this event that the prototype might not be on par to show to the public. They just put the camera there just as a show to all the guest.

I think Canon knows EXACTLY what they are doing.  They made a splash in Hollywood to get "cred" with the bigwigs and establish themselves as a new, big player in the industry.
It makes more sense to do this than to release 1 new Cinema DSLR and THEN release all the big stuff.  I wish there was something that had been announced "for me" too, but business is business.  I'm sure there is something great coming. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« on: November 04, 2011, 01:00:14 PM »
For $6800/each it better be something more than an old L lens in a new housing

The value of these lenses is not just in the optics but also being able to set the distance marker for focus at, say, 20', and for the focus to be exactly that each and every time you move the focus ring to that distance.

Normal stills camera lenses (such as the 85/f.1.2) do not have properties such as this.

Yeah I get that, there are definitive focus marks versus just spinning to infinity, better housing, similar size so you don't have to change your rig too much when swapping lenses.  I see the advantages, but damn the Zeiss CP.2 do the same thing and they are almost half the cost.  Don't get me wrong, I think the Canon Cine Primes are BEAUTIFUL, but they seem pricey.  Then again, compared to $47k for the zooms I guess they aren't that bad a deal. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« on: November 04, 2011, 11:45:59 AM »
I actually think the hybrid DSLR / Video will be a huge seller.

1) It will be a very good, full frame stills camera. Probably limited to 12 mp for stills, since that's about the max / ideal mp for good 4K video. For me 12k stills is perfectly fine. I'm sure with Digic V, the still will be top quality.

2) Unlike some people have mentioned, I'm sure you have the option of shooting 2K or 4K video. You don't have to just shoot 4K. Even the current DSLRs give you and SD or HD option.

3) The reason why I like this is because it's more an all around solution. I love Full Frame video (only Canon offers this), yet with this upcoming DSLR, you can still do cool stills oriented stuff like Time Lapse photography (which you can't do with video cameras); and yes, take good photos.

4) It probably won't have the 1Dx 64 pt (is that correct?) auto focus and maybe not as high performing ISO, but will probably be a better stills performer than the upcoming 36mp Since it will have lower MP which translates to less noise. I'd be fine with a 7D style auto focus, even if it does have way less points.

That just means, less cameras to carry around. If you can deal with being limited to 12mp, I think this will be a great balance of both worlds. You'll get top performance in stills and a great video camera.

I agree 100%, that is going to be their moneymaker.  Considering the 1Dx is $6800, if you removed some of the still features and added some video features it seems like it would be easy to get it priced around $4k-$6k.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Final shopping list for tomorrow..
« on: November 04, 2011, 11:36:29 AM »
I just checked out your gallery by the way, really really nice work man, I'm sorry for giving suggestions as if you were an amateur ;)

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EOS Bodies / Re: Final shopping list for tomorrow..
« on: November 04, 2011, 11:34:52 AM »
Axilrod, Im listening....

my plan is
 17-40 wide landscapes
24-105 good light walkabout with IS for Video
100 macro for my studio work, nice and sharp as its prime
70-200 for zoomy things
2x extender for even more zoomy things

Its only 4 lenses, i think you crazy lol

I was writing that as if you were new to photography, I didn't realize that you had some experience.  The 70-200 is the sharpest zoom ive ever used, I think that's a great choice.  And if you don't plan on doing much low-light stuff, the 24-105/17-40 should be fine, but f/4 doesn't fare too well in dim settings.  However the 24-105 is much lighter than the 24-70 and the IS does work really well. 

The wide angle comparison you cited was comparing the 17-40 to V1 of the 16-35, V II is MUCH improved and the only zoom I ended up keeping out of the 3 that I had.  It would be worth taking a look at, I love it.

Lastly, I think you may want something with a larger aperture to keep handy for low-light situations, the 50mm f/1.4 would be a great choice (it's about $350-$400 but performs as well as $1000+ zooms).  Although there have been rumors of it getting updated, either way, it's something to consider.  Have fun shopping!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Final shopping list for tomorrow..
« on: November 04, 2011, 10:45:12 AM »
Oh yeah and stay away from the 180mm macro, the 2.8 on the 100mm helps and the IS is AMAZING.  That's one of the few long lenses you can handhold.  Minimum focusing distance is great but it's also a GREAT lens for portraits.  I sold that one and kind of regret it now that I think about it : )

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EOS Bodies / Re: Final shopping list for tomorrow..
« on: November 04, 2011, 10:43:36 AM »
Dude I would not buy that many lenses at once, you're only going to make things harder.  I went crazy after I bought my 5D and bought a 24-70, 16-35 II, 70-200 2.8 IS, 100mm Macro L IS, 35mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.4, 50mm f/1.2, 85mm f/1.8, 85mm f/1.2, 135mm f/2, and a couple Nikon lenses all within a couple months of buying a 5d and it did me NO GOOD.  You need time to learn each lens, learn it's quirks, etc. 

If I were you I would get the 24-70 and 70-200 if you REALLY have to have more than 1 lens.  After that try out some of their primes (check my sig and look what I ended up keeping, the 16-35 is the only zoom I kept out of all the ones I bought originally). 

I mean don't get me wrong, your list looks great, but I think it's just too many options to start off with.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Concept Cinema DSLR Official
« on: November 04, 2011, 10:38:28 AM »
I'd agree with several of these posts. I'll be very interested to see price point and uptake. It would seem that Canon have missed the point slightly, in that the enthusiasm for DSLR film making is from people who value a camera that can do both, and don't have the money to split their interests across two product lines.

If this is a high end product, aimed at Hollywood, then fine. I have a feeling though, that this might be one of those Canon eccentricities that never really finds it's desired market.

It is a higher end product than than their DSLRs.

Canon sees these cameras as being something to compete with the cheaper(?) Arri cameras.

The C300 cameras are not and were not targeted at people who take photographs. Yes, maybe they can, but nothing about their specifications or look says that to me. The C300s have neither automatic focus nor automatic exposure.

For those that are using the 5D2 or 7D to shoot video, I think the concept cinema DSLR is the one to watch for.

Now where will that get priced? Interesting question.

I can easily see it being more than a 5D2. More than the 1DX? Hard to say without knowing the full feature set. It could easily be $4k-$5k or more if it brings with it an increase in performance that results in requiring less post processing (time is money.)

I agree, the C300 is clearly geared towards industry professionals/independent filmmakers.  Canon knows it needs a product to move in volume, and a Cinema DSLR priced around $3500-$5k would be just that, and that's what I'm waiting for.

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