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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Reminder: Announcements on September 17, 2012

« on: September 19, 2012, 07:34:58 AM »

@Ecka... you don't get it.  You're far too interested in your own point of view to have a discussion... I'm asking a question how large do people think the market for the 6D will be (with the rumored specs and price) and you respond to me over and over with the same point that it's a good camera which I've agreed.   If the 6D comes out at $2500 then my point is even more valid than if it is $2100 which I am basing my point on.

And I'm not comparing the 6D to a Rebel per se... I'm imagining what customer in the market will choose this camera over the existing options just up and down the line from where this body will sit... for example top-end rebel, 7D, 5D3.

Congratulations, my friend! You've got what you wanted - Rebel/60D~ class FF.
Well, I really wanted it to be 7D~ class FF camera for $2500. Crazy world

I don't see you have anything to complain about since you can get a 5d mark iii for 2750.

I guarantee another deal will come around between now and the canon 6d release date.

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Canon General / Re: Is it time for the "CEO" of Canon's DSLR division to resign?

« on: September 18, 2012, 09:05:20 PM »

I feel the 6D is pretty underwhelming.  I think 19 point AF system like that of the 7D and this would have been perfect.  Without it than it is really lackluster and I think there would be clear product deliineation between the 6D and the 5D MK III.

The inclusion of the GPS and Wi-Fi is off putting to me as a 5D Mark III user since it costs us what $1000 to add these features in?  I think those should have been included into the 5D Mark III and 1DX as well as a RF flash commander built-in to control the new line of flashes.  I think it would have made people feel there was a lot of value added to the 5D Mark III and with those I would say a better value than the Nikon D800E even if the Nikon has a better sensor.

At current prices and current feature set it is better to stick with whatever you have lenses for and I don't think either company delivered a game changer though the D800E is close.

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Pricewatch Deals / Decent deal on new Canon 24-70 II

« on: September 13, 2012, 10:51:15 PM »

Crutchfield has it for 2299.99 but they have crutchfield rewards that let you earn 5% back in crutchfield credit if you redeem 3000 points.

You get 1 point per dollar.

Currently they are offering double points so that is 4600 points = $230 in Crutchfield credit if you enter the code DOUBLE at checkout.

You can earn an additional 2% if you go through Fatwallet a cash back referral site = $46

so 2299.99 -46 = $2254 + you get $230 in credit at crutchfield.

Only bad thing is they are on backorder at the moment.  I was debating on pulling the trigger and this made me do it.  Combine that with any credit card rewards you are getting and it is just a hair over $2K.

Not too shabby if you are looking for a 1DX either.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next? Lenses & Cameras

« on: February 08, 2012, 12:03:18 PM »

Am i the only one who´s worried about the D800? People are selling their Canon gear like crazy, nobody even cares about what the 5dmk3 will be. Is the new D800 the end for Canon? What is this?? Why are canon releasing a new 24 and a new 28?? It´s the same! just walk two steps backwards or forwards. And a new 24-70 prised almost like the same as a 5d2 combined with the old 24-70! What is wrong with canon?? What are they doing? Wake up!

A lot of back and forth is good.  The better Nikon does the better Canon has to put out to one up them.

I think neither company can put a crippled AF system in any of their FF bodies anymore and that is ultimately a good thing.  I think if Canon is not putting there best foot forward (IE worrying about cannibalizing their own sales more than the competition) than they deserve to lose market share.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Fuji X-Pro 1

« on: January 10, 2012, 12:17:05 PM »

Indeed it does not blow the G1X out of the water! The G1X blows the Fuji Camera out of the water!

1. The G1X is made by Canon. That alone counts for a whole point.

2. The G1X can change focal lengths without changing lenses.

3. The G1X has a father maximum focal length.

4. The G1X costs 2,000.00 less or so after the three lenses

So, the G1X clearly blows the fuji thing way out of the water.

The real point is that the G1X is a walk around, landscape, people, macro, everything, one size fits all camera. It doesn't need and isn't supposed to have a broad aperture. Much of what I would shoot with this camera would be with a narrower aperture anyway. One doesn't shoot landscapes at f1.4, if one can help it, usually... But, having a compact with a f1.4 would be helpful. If I had the budget, I would buy both instantly, and recommend you do if you can! Instead, I am saving up my dinero for some lighting gear, and maybe a new lens... I would really like a super super telephoto lens (600 F4!!!), but that's not coming soon... Maybe the Sigma 500 4.5? Anyway, this post is really beginning to rant, because I just got done with a really bad night of work, and I'm tired, so it's time to quit while I'm ahead!

Using those standards the G1X blows away the 1DX as well.

I'll take an X-Pro1 over the G1X anyday.

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EOS Bodies / Re: A Bit About the 5D Mark III? [CR1]

« on: December 06, 2011, 08:59:38 PM »

Neuro...  -realistically, what physical/manufacturing cost savings would leaving out a reasonable auto-focus system provide?  I'm thinking in terms of raw material it's next to no extra costs, and in terms of manufacturing techniques, it's nominal for them to make the extra effort

Handicapping the 5DIII AF isn't a production cost-saving measure, it's a marketing strategy to drive differentiation.  As whatta correctly points out, including AFMA in the 60D would have been essentially free (there's no hardware component, and the algorithm was already done), but they chose not to do that.  Fundamentally, they need to have market separation between the 1D X and the 5DIII (and between any other lines, as well), and AF performance is one way to do that - it's one that Canon has a long history of using.  IMO, especially if Canon puts a >21 MP sensor in the 5DIII, they'll need to have other ways to differentiate it more strongly from the 1D X than if they use the same 18 MP sensor as the 1D X. 

Think of features as a set of sliders like you see in financial/loan calculators, and set has to sum to a fixed final ranking.  So, the 1-series has all the sliders pegged to the right-hand side (100%), and the xxxxD has them all pegged to the left (0%).  For models in between, think of xxxD at 25%, xxD at 50%, and xD at 75%.  Compare 7D to 5DII - the 7D has sensor size and MP bumped down (APS-C is not as good as FF, 18 vs. 21 MP), so the frame rate and AF sliders are bumped up, as is weather sealing.  If the 5DIII has FF, higher MP, equivalent AF as 7D, 5 fps, better sealing, etc., it becomes 90%, not 75%, and that's too close to the 1D X.  In other words, the better the sensor in the 5DIII, the worse (relatively) the other features.  For example, a 5DIII with a 28 MP FF sensor with the ISO improvements approaching the 1D X would likely mean using the exact same AF as the 5DII, lower FPS and perhaps even reduced build quality/sealing.  These trade-offs aren't necessarily determined by costs, but rather by marketing strategy.

AF type? Nikon seems to have a better AF approach

True - Nikon doesn't differentiate the pro line from the semi-pro line with AF.  Instead, they differentiate based on sensor resolution.  You can get 'pro' AF short of the D3x, but then you're limited to 16 MP APS-C or 12 MP FF.  If you want high MP and pro AF, you're stuck with the $8K D3x.

By your logic the D3s should not even exist then since is no difference from the D700 and the D3s since they have the same MP and same AF system.

I for one am planning on getting 1DX but with a poor AF system I would not consider getting a 5D III in tandem with it whereas if it had a pro level AF system I would probably end up getting both.  That is assuming it is not just a dumbed down version of the 1DX and actually has a high MP FF sensor

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Lenses / Re: New Lens on December 6, 2011? [CR1]

« on: November 29, 2011, 09:32:54 PM »

24-70 F2.8 IS or 14-24 F2.8 would make my day

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Canon General / Re: New APS-C Camera in February?

« on: November 08, 2011, 02:39:57 AM »

A very believable rumor, Sony has been outinnovating them for a while now and if it's costing them sales they surely aren't going to take it lying down. Digic V with better video is almost certain (I hope they get rid of the moire and increase detail before they try and get any bright ideas about 1080/60p; given the 1Dx's specs I'd say that's probably reasonable to assume). It would be nice to see built-in HDR but Canon seems hell-bent on making you do it by hand (which is sooo five years ago).

I agree on paper Sony may have the upper hand but in practice the A77 is way too noisy compared to the 7D, K-5 or D7000 which are relatively close with each other.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyslta77/page14.asp

Just look at the RAW there is very visible noise even at 400 ISO

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

« on: October 26, 2011, 02:22:31 PM »

You forgot to factor in what Nikon does as well.

The D700 already has a 51 point system which is IMO better than everything currently available on the market besides the 1DX

Not really.  As I've stated before, the real competition between the two companies plays out on the battlefield of P&S cameras and entry-level dSLRs.  By the time comsumers are considering a high-end or pro body, most are invested in a system and inertia means they won't switch (empty threats on internet forums notwithstanding).

Why is the D700's AF better?  It's got 51 points, but if that's the basis, then more MP automatically make a camera better, too.  Physics and geometry tell us that the wider the baseline for a triangulation measurement, the more accurate the measurment.  AFAIK, all Nikon AF systems use f/5.6-sensitive line sensors.  Canon systems have up to f/2.8-sensitive line sensors, which are more accurate than f/5.6-sensitive points.  Just one more thing to consider...

More is definitely not better but in this case I would take Nikons AF system over the 19 point in the 7D which people have been clamoring for.

I own a 7D.  Have used a D700 and a 5d/5d Mk II.  D700 AF is much better in low light than the other 3 (Canon 7D, 5D II, and 5D.  That said I have not used the 1D Mark IV or 1Ds Mark III so am unfamiliar with canon's 51 point system.

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EOS Bodies / Re: No 5D Mark III on Novemeber 3 [CR2]

« on: October 26, 2011, 01:24:19 PM »

There is no chance we will see a new 5D for at least a year. It just doesn't make any sense to release it anywhere close to the 1X. Not to mention, the traditional difference in release has been 5D a year after 1Ds ii, and 5D mkii a year after 1Ds iii.

Yeah it does if you actually look at who would potentially buy a 5D MkIII v a 1D X ... its all in who they are marketed too and what is on offer within the bodies.

Canon will not look to butcher their line up by making similar bodies ... there will be significant differences that will be enough for anyone even considering a FF to disseminate between the two (and any other FF they may bring to market).

In many ways, the 5DII 'butchered' the 1DsIII sales, and many 1Ds customers got a 5DII instead for the video and other reasons.  I agree that Canon will want to avoid that in the future.

The thing is, as the saying goes, you can't have your cake and eat it, too.  Canon does have to differentiate the 1D X from the 5DIII, and there are a couple of ways to do that.  One is time - the 5DIII comes out a year, or more (!) after the 1D X.  The other is features, and especially if the 5DIII is going to have more MP, count on it being substantially crippled in other ways - most likely frame rate and the AF system.  From a marketing standpoint, the two ways are probably on a continuum, i.e. the closer in time that the 5DIII comes compared to the 1D X, the more crippled is has to be.

So...people waiting for a 5DIII - do you want it announced on November 3rd, if it has 26 MP, 4 fps and the exact same AF as the 5DII?  Do you want it announced in March when the 1D X comes out, if it has 30 MP, 4.2 fps, and the 9 cross-type points of the xxD line?  Or do you want to wait for a late 2012 announcement with 2013 availability, if it has 36 MP, 4.5 fps, and 15 cross-type points?

You forgot to factor in what Nikon does as well.

The D700's AF system is infinitely better than that of the 5d mk II.  It's biggest gripe with most people is the lack of video which I'm sure they will be correcting this time around.

I'd much rather they cripple the FPS (3FPS) than the AF.  The D700 already has a 51 point system which is IMO better than everything currently available on the market besides the 1DX

IMO drop

weather sealing
magnesium body
lack of battery grip
dual card slots
worse FPS
worse ISO
smaller/worse LCD
less viewfinder coverage

if there isn't even 3x5 cross type points imo this camera will be a major disappointment.

This is assuming they are going to a 30+ MP sensor.

IMO they should design it to complement the 1DX and with that than it will be tempting to pick one up along with the 1DX. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: The EOS-1D X & f/8

« on: October 26, 2011, 11:34:31 AM »

Shooting action at f8? No thanks. 

I shoot VERY high speed action (200+mph model aircraft) at f/9 all the time.  It's a perfectly practical thing to do in direct sunlight.

This R/C plane was going over 200mph, and this was shot at f/9, ISO 400 and 1/2000th.

http://photos.imageevent.com/sipphoto/aircraft/aamairshow2011/20D44665.jpg

that's 70-200 + 1.4 tc and 20D

Actually, that's 70-200/2.8L IS + two 1.4x TCs (one of them isn't visible to the lens and therefore doesn't end up in the EXIF data).

Does the camera properly read the aperture with 2 TCs?
Since you are using the f2.8 you are under f8 anyway since the camera will always use the fastest aperture (f5.6 in this case)

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Canon General / Re: Canon EOS 1D X Press Release - Pre Announcement Thread

« on: October 18, 2011, 02:06:40 AM »

hope the price comes in close to 5K instead of 7K because this camera is the one i've wanted forever

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EOS Bodies / Re: New DSLR on Tuesday, October 18, 2011. [CR3]

« on: October 12, 2011, 04:45:11 PM »

Seems like a D3S killer / D4 competitor.  I really like these specs.

Pair this with a high megapixel 5D mark III and I'm in heaven.  I hope it has nifty video features.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Next EOS not a 1Ds4 or 5D3.... could be a 1D Mark 5? [CR2]

« on: October 10, 2011, 11:11:01 PM »

This makes so little sense that I feel compelled to not even enumerate why.

Why not?

I look it as a D3s Killer or D4s competitor with those specs it certainly could be.

5D and 1Ds = high MPixel cameras

this is low light monster with high high FPS and awesome autofocus

I would rather have this than a 5d Mark III though I would probably end up getting both

Currently the D3s > 1D Mark IV for everything the camera is meant to be IMO.

This camera is not meant to compete with the D3X so I don't know why anyone would draw that comparison unless it was confirmed they were merging the 1Ds and 1D lines


I think any current 1D Mark IV owners which is who this camera is geared toward would love the specs.

APS-H -> Full frame

12800 ISO -> 51200 ISO assuming you don't have to push would be insane

Add video features and that is a dream camera for me

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EOS Bodies / Re: Rumored 1D Mark V For October & Spec List [CR1]

« on: October 06, 2011, 03:50:44 PM »

I hope its true.  I don't really get people complaining about megapixels

This is supposed to be a sports/ fast action / low light camera

IE excellent autofocus - great low light capability and high FPS

as long as it is full frame beats out the D3s successor I would love it

Edit and don't compare the A77.

The A77 is worse in terms of DR and is insanely noisy compared to the D7000.