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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 31, 2013, 05:50:29 PM »
Third time was the charm, smooth and silent!!  April build 042 !!
 ;D

tremendous!  :)
so i wonder if it's been properly sorted/addressed in the more recent builds? seems to me that most reports of the clicky ones are early 2013. lots on the 032 build by the sounds of it from this thread and other forums. pretty sure the clicky one I had replaced was a february 2013 build.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 30, 2013, 11:26:00 AM »
I bought the 24-70 2.8 II during the recent price drop from Amazon, and both copies of the lens have had a clicking noise.  It's not horrendously loud, but it's certainly noticeable enough to make me worry something is wrong inside the lens.

I recorded a short video and the on-board mic picked up the clicking fairly well.  Is this the same clicking noise you guys are talking about?

Canon 24-70 f/2.8 II Zoom Ring Clicking Noise

yep the clicking sound is the one that you can hear in your clip the most when returning zoom (zooming out to 24mm). the normal zoom 'shooshing' sound is very emphasised in that video too, but in reality/actual use you tend to just hear the clicking sound on it's own as it sounds in your video.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 29, 2013, 09:13:26 AM »
strange... after zooming in and out several more times the faint ticking sound seems to have gone away.  Wonder if I should keep this now or wait a few more days of use?

well all i'd i say is that when I had a clicking copy there was a couple of times i thought or tried to convince myself it had improved or almost gone away but then it came back louder again. can't remember now but i think it seemed like it wasn't so bad when not using it for a day or so and then after using it for a bit it was there again. temperature maybe affects it ?? who knows.

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA Settings
« on: October 27, 2013, 08:50:47 AM »
I have owned 30 lenses on 4 afma enabled bodies, all of them calibrated properly with Canon and it's only ONE lens that needed no afma and that was one of the three copies of the 50 L, but I write that off as pure luck. All lenses to all bodies should be calibrated through Reikan Focal or other equally good methods. I don't believe that one can own 8 lenses and two bodies and no afma needed. There's a difference between good enough and optimal and everyone is different in how much they see or care about it.

If you only shoot stopped down and never larger than f4 I can understand the statement, but f2.0 and bigger will show it. My 200 f2.0 is calibrated at the same place as my 1d, and it needed +4 and the difference is highly noticeable. It's sharp at 0 also, but mindblowing at +4.

actually i totally agree with you here.
people are different on what they consider 'good enough'. as i mentioned before out of the box i considered my 70-200 f/2.8L IS II to need little or no AFMA. if I hadn't been playing around with AFMA yesterday I'd of considered it needed no adjustment. but just a bit of testing and tweaking showed that actually you can get even better results.

i should really spend time to properly callibrate all my lenses even though i'm more than happy with how they perform now.

viggo it sounds like you send your lenses to a canon service center to be professionally calibrated. do you always send your body along with the lens? and does it always come back performing perfectly?

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA Settings
« on: October 26, 2013, 08:20:39 PM »
My 70-200 f2.8 II is my ONLY lens which needed no AFMA straight out of the box!  I'm super pleased with how great it works on my 5DM3.  My favorite lens, no doubt.

this is actually my experience with most of my other L lenses to be honest and in fact at first I thought my 70-200 f2.8L II was the same and needed no AFMA because it was already super sharp but actually doing some microadjustments just makes it even more accurate at nailing focus.
I've checked it over again and actually it's more accurate at +8 on the wide end rather than +10. there's very little in it really. I guess that's a testament to how sharp it is in the first place.

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA Settings
« on: October 26, 2013, 05:02:25 PM »
Mine is +2 at both ends, and at 135mm.  My 24-70 II is 5 units different at the ends, and two intermediate focal lengths (35mm, 50mm) fall right on the regression line. Might be worth checking 1-2 intermediate FLs on your 70-200.

oh right, I didn't know I could adjust intermediate points. thought it was just Wide and Tele end settings.
my 5D MKIII seems to auto set intermediate points automatically in relation to the two end settings.

You can't set intermediate points, just W and T.  My point is that if you test at 135mm, and get an adjustment of +7 or +8, that's fine.  But if 135mm gives you something like +3 or +14, the lens should go to Canon (or be exchanged if its a recent purchase).

oh right sorry i understand you now.
yes in fact i did actually test at 135mm and it was indeed +8 so that's perfect.
i'm certain this is a great copy that i've got. think it's just that i've only ever adjusted a lens by a couple of digits either way before. i'm very happy with it nailing focus at the settings I mentioned earler.

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Lenses / Re: 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA Settings
« on: October 26, 2013, 02:11:56 PM »
Mine is +2 at both ends, and at 135mm.  My 24-70 II is 5 units different at the ends, and two intermediate focal lengths (35mm, 50mm) fall right on the regression line. Might be worth checking 1-2 intermediate FLs on your 70-200.

oh right, I didn't know I could adjust intermediate points. thought it was just Wide and Tele end settings.
my 5D MKIII seems to auto set intermediate points automatically in relation to the two end settings.

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Lenses / 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA Settings
« on: October 26, 2013, 01:43:30 PM »
Had this lens a reasonably short time and haven't had chance to use it too much yet.
On my first tests I was really pleased with it as far as sharpeness goes. Was similar to my f/4 IS version it replaced.

I've now just spent an hour adjusting AFMA on it and surprised how much I could improve it.
Wide end is now: +10
Tele end is now: +5

My 24-70 f/2.8L II doesn't need any adjustment at all so both set to 0.

Is this quite normal for the 70-200 f/2.8L IS II ?
I guess it's not too excessive on AFMA. Maybe the wide end. Anyway I've re-tested over and over and confirm that it nails focus at these settings so I'll definitely leave it set this way.

What do you guys have your 70-200 f/2.8L IS II AFMA set to out of interest?

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 26, 2013, 11:47:22 AM »
I previously reported that my March 2013 copy of the 24-70mm (serial number beginning 032) does not make a clicking noise when zooming. I've been using my lens as usual for about 6 months, but all these additional reports got me checking my lens again.

After many tests in a completely quiet room with my ears right next to the lens, I report that I can hear a very faint single click sound as the lens barrel expands past the 50mm mark (like a tiny spring or the inner cams moving into place). This sound is really faint -even the zoom ring moving is louder-, and it takes moving the zoom ring very slowly to even catch it. This is not what you guys are talking about, right?

no that doesn't sound like it at all.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 26, 2013, 07:11:47 AM »
yay! great news. my replacement that I got back in June is also an October 2012 copy and is an absolute beauty  :D very sharp at both ends of the range, 0 AF microadjustment needed etc..

Terrific! Glad the earlier batches seem to be working out for a few of us here. I still wonder what Canon did with the March 032 batch that caused all this.

i don't think the one that i replaced back in may with the clicking sound was a march copy. i seem to remember it had a february 2013 date code. so don't think the problem is confined to that march batch.

i feel for those who have this problem. yes, as someone pointed out they are still fine optically but being the fastidious type of person that i am it would annoy me every time i used it.
surprised that a few here are still able to get 2012 replacements. great news but that can't go on forever...obviously. just hope canon will be looking in to changing this for future production.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 25, 2013, 08:06:59 PM »
also just to add a comment for those who say their 2013 copies have no clicking sound. or for other people just reading this thread out of curiosity. the sound isn't a loud 'mechanical' click like a safe vault dial  ;D it's a more like the faint sound you can make when gently parting your mouth/lips when wet :D i know that sounds an odd description but it's the best way I can describe it.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 25, 2013, 07:51:59 PM »
UPDATE!!!

I got my replacement lens just an hour ago. It is from the older batch. It was manufactured in October of 2012 with the old style side squeeze lens cap. And here are my observations:

1) It does NOT tick or click whatsoever when I turn the zoom ring! YES!

2) The zoom ring is less tight to turn vs the new 2013. It's smooth just like my 24-105. I felt I needed to use about 30% more force to zoom in and out with the 2013 unit I returned.

3) It nailed focus without any AF Micro Adjustments. It's sharper than the replacement based on controlled tests both at MFD and at infinity. Copy variation I suppose.

4) AF seems a smidge faster and less loud. Again, I'm attributing this to copy variation.

So all in all, I'm very extremely happy now. It now truly blows away all my other lenses including my primes at the same focal length...maybe not the new 40mm STM but it's close. At this point, I'm submitting my rebate and putting my 24-105 on eBay.

yay! great news. my replacement that I got back in June is also an October 2012 copy and is an absolute beauty  :D very sharp at both ends of the range, 0 AF microadjustment needed etc..



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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 21, 2013, 07:16:54 AM »
Very helpful thread.  I am one of the people that jumped on the sale last week.  Mine came in on Friday.  I've been testing it over the weekend.  Everything checks out except...a very audible clicking sound when adjusting the focal length.

It has a pinch cap. March 2013 construction based on TDP guidelines...
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Canon-Lenses/Canon-Lens-Aging.aspx

huh well there you go someone else with it. i definitely think it's most likely in pretty much all of the 2013 onwards ones. just that some people can't hear it. which is concerning as like you say it's pretty audible. outside it's not quite so noticeable but in a quiet room indoors it's very noticeable. I'd expect that if you used it for video then the cameras built-in mic would probably pick it up.

I was fortunate to buy from a seller who allowed me to exchange to one that was from 2012. I'd guess these are now pretty scarce. So I guess peoples only option is to either live with it or send to Canon with the specific instructions to fix the noise. Which is a shame as I'm of the mind that it's totally unacceptable to have to send a brand new 'anything' in to manufacturer to fix something.

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Lenses / Re: 24-70 II slight clicking sound when zooming
« on: October 21, 2013, 06:05:08 AM »
Hi Guys,

NEW member here! But I just found this thread after getting my spanking new 24-70mm f2.8ii from Amazon. I immediately noticed the "Tick Tick Tick" sound while zooming both from 24 to 70 and back. It one of the newer batches with the new CENTER PINCH lens caps. It seems to catch at regular intervals which leads credence to someone here mentioning that it is some kind of sensor/brush that relays focal length data to the camera.

The lens is otherwise just great optically. There doesn't seem to be many forum threads on the Internet regarding this issue. I wonder if folks are simply not hearing it or if it is a rare occurrence.

Has folks been able to swap out for non clicking ones that are of recent production? I got the lens at the recent price drop and love it. Thanks for all your help, folks!

I got mine exchanged at the beginning of June for a pre 2013 build after my discovery of the clicking/ticking sound on previous copy I had. Not sure what the options are now really. I'd of hoped that it would be sorted out by now with new copies but maybe not. I also find it strange that there's not more talk of the issue. I guess some have better hearing than others or maybe it doesn't bother other people. Certainly would bug me though. I've still no idea as well why it only appeared from 2013 copies onwards. They must have changed something I guess. Maybe it doesn't do it with all of them too. Could be to do with how tight the zoom ring has been adjusted etc.

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If it's $10 for life, I might jump on it even I already have LR4 and CS6.

But if it's $10 for e.g. 12 months, and then some ridiculous amount, no way.

So can someone confirm how long they promise the $10?

the adobe blog states that this isn't an introductory price:
http://blogs.adobe.com/creativelayer/introducing-the-photoshop-photography-program/

should be open to all though and not just those who own CS3 or higher IMO

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