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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 06:55:44 PM »
I really wish Canon would put out a roadmap like Intel does.  I'd like to know when the 5DIV and 6DII will be coming out.

Sonikon would like to know that, too :->.
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The impression I get from Sony Alpha Rumors is that Sony does have its own roadmaps that do get publicized.

Hmmm...if you run across one of those publicized roadmaps, please post a link.

Well they get leaked to sonyalpharumors, don't they?

Or are you naive enough to think that Sony don't use that website as part of their underground marketing campaign?
Since I don't spend any time at sonyalpharumors I have no opinion on the matter.  It wouldn't surprise me either way.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 06:54:28 PM »
Well if it had better dynamic range why would Chuck Westfall say it was the same as the 5D3 then? Duh.

That isn't what he said. He actually said "Canon is telling us......equivalent to the 5D MkIII", neither you nor I know what that means to shadow editability.

However if you listen to this at 1:40 http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/video-interview-canon-eos-5ds-and.htm that point is actually expanded on by Mike Burnhill from Canon CPS in the UK with " equivalent to the 5D MkIII in traditional measuring terms, but there's a much lower noise floor, so therefore more ability to pull out detail in the shadows and highlights"
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The 5D2/3 are measured at having a DR of 11-12 but having a usable DR of 10 due to noise and problems with shadows.

I don't understand your point, also usable is a subjective term.

I don't like using iso 200 or any NR, others are very happy with 10,000iso with masses of NR and masked sharpening, neither is 'right' both are just subjective. I don't crop to any significant degree from my 21MP FF sensor, others are happy to post 100% crops from their crop cameras, again, purely subjective.

P.S. Just saw your reply, Tatersall was only interested in video, and the 'usable' range is his personal and subjective opinion for the output he needed, and he only measured a 5D MkII, not a 5D MkIII.

And whose subjective opinion do you think carries more weight for professionals? Yours or his?
I think each pro would evaluate all the options, and formulate her/his own opinion.  I can't imagine any pro buying purely based on the opinion of one (semi) famous person.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 06:02:16 PM »
I really wish Canon would put out a roadmap like Intel does.  I'd like to know when the 5DIV and 6DII will be coming out.

Sonikon would like to know that, too :->.
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The impression I get from Sony Alpha Rumors is that Sony does have its own roadmaps that do get publicized.

Hmmm...if you run across one of those publicized roadmaps, please post a link.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 05:28:19 PM »
Well if it had better dynamic range why would Chuck Westfall say it was the same as the 5D3 then? Duh.

That isn't what he said. He actually said "Canon is telling us......equivalent to the 5D MkIII", neither you nor I know what that means to shadow editability.

However if you listen to this at 1:40 http://www.fotosidan.se/cldoc/video-interview-canon-eos-5ds-and.htm that point is actually expanded on by Mike Burnhill from Canon CPS in the UK with " equivalent to the 5D MkIII in traditional measuring terms, but there's a much lower noise floor, so therefore more ability to pull out detail in the shadows and highlights"
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The 5D2/3 are measured

Measured by whom?  Please post your source.

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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 05:26:54 PM »
How many landscapre phootgraphers are there that can afford 4000$ camera that demands 2000% lens?

This is a STUDIO CAMERA. So, product photography, commercial photography!

Learn you market.

I don't know.  How many are there?  Read the Luminous Landscape forum and they are using cameras & lenses that cost that much and much more, for landscape, product, commercial, and whatever.  Some landscape photographers are willing to pay a lot for resolution.  Camera makers know their market better than internet commenters do.

Exactly my point. Some landscape photographers are able to pay that much, but every commercial photographer is willing to do so.
But, because all these high-end marketing executives are wanna be photographers who got absolutely no idea what market wants or needs, it's left up to the engineering department to their job as well.
This camera is a great proposal, and if you look at it's features it's clearly meant to battle MF offerings. It doesn't need gps and wifi to do so, because those cameras don't have those features, either. It is a great landscape camera, but mentioning wedding photography and stupid things like that? ??? Come on, it's the worst possible camera for the job. Low shutter count, large files, small frames per second count... 1DX is a camera for that.

This is a studio camera, just like MF cameras, it absolutely works as a landscape camera, but it's buyers are likely commercial photographers, and landscapes are just one part of their job. No decent wedding photographer is going to buy this, unless it's a shoot for the cover of a magazine.

A lot of wedding photographers carry multiple bodies.  I can imagine them using one of these for anything except the action.

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Pricewatch Deals / Re: Preorder Canon's Latest Products
« on: February 07, 2015, 03:09:58 PM »
Curious - Why is the 5Ds R more money than the 5Ds

I'll refer you to a previous post:

http://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?topic=24912.msg491690#msg491690

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 02:50:15 PM »
Everyone always thinks Canon is going to do something revolutionary but they never do (3D anyone?)

Aren't the new 5Ds bodies pretty much what was supposed to be called a "3D?"  It was supposed to be a high-MP studio/landscape camera, and that's what was just announced.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 12:51:39 PM »
This is pure speculation.
With the 6d, they had to rush to counter the Nikon d600
In that case, You Go Nikon!

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And the 6d actually can do 1/8000 (ML proved it), but the Canon firmware has a safeguard to immediately override it. The other way 'round, the 5d3 seems to have a gps connector on the board, but they didn't use it.

And of course there's Canon's favorite playground: Crippling the firmware. No ends of features that camera body x has, but not y - they can change this in the last minute before release.

Interesting, I'm not surprised.

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It is interesting that this site receives such acclaim. That means that it is being noticed and I´m sure Canon is very well  aware of what we write here. If we pull together, we may well have more influence than we think.

It wouldn't surprise me if camera manufacturers collect ideas from social media.  The marketing department would (should?) then test those ideas with as much rigor as can be applied to marketing.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 10:34:50 AM »
I really wish Canon would put out a roadmap like Intel does.  I'd like to know when the 5DIV and 6DII will be coming out.

Sonikon would like to know that, too :->.

My impression is that Canon doesn't have a roadmap, but rather tries to squeeze out as much $$$ from their current products until they're forced by the competition to do something about it. Sure enough they'll have the basic designs for 5d4 and 6d2 in the r&d pipeline, but there'll be a lot of last-minute shuffling around concerning exact release date and software/hardware features.
My take is similar: I think they work on options for different components on long lead times.  They might drop a new sensor or AF system into an existing body and send it out with a small number of trusted people, but that's to test the new tech, not the system.  About 12-18 months before expected release, they try to get a feel for the competition and market, and use that to fashion a small number of prototypes for wider use.  I don't think they have a true roadmap, even internally.

This is pure speculation.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 07, 2015, 10:27:48 AM »
I really wish Canon would put out a roadmap like Intel does.  I'd like to know when the 5DIV and 6DII will be coming out.  I was hoping they would be the ones released yesterday instead of the crippled 5Ds and stupid 5Dr.
I think the fact that CPUs can be evaluated on a very few qualities, combined with Intel's market dominance, makes this possible.  To give away that much market intelligence to competitors in the DSLR market would be a huge problem.

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EOS Bodies / Re: What's Next From Canon, NAB and Beyond
« on: February 06, 2015, 04:59:02 PM »
How about Canon produce a camera with IQ comparable to that of Sony/Nikon?

Or is that too much to ask?

Why would they expend valuable resources on R&D for that without a compelling market need?

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Canon General / Re: dpreview: Canon not listed in "Best product for 2014"
« on: February 06, 2015, 03:52:41 PM »
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You see, you can get statistics that suit your side of the argument.

I didn't go searching for the statistics, they were on the front page.

Maybe that's part of the problem: "statistics" posted on a front page are often there as click-bait.  When someone puts purported statistics in front of you, the next step is to ask yourself some questions: where did the data come from?  Were they properly collected?  Were other data left out?  In this case there are several red flags.  The largest problem is that it's a self-report data set, not collected using proper methods, so we have no idea who the respondents were, or if they are representative of the entire community.  Self-reporting is notoriously unreliable. 

This list is no more than an opportunity to invite participation by the community, much like the polls on CR.  It really tells us nothing more than who felt like participating.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed
« on: February 06, 2015, 10:23:51 AM »
guys - when I complained about 'only semi-pro level' I am referring to durability and building strength.
Featurewise it is quite OK and of course pro-level.
But if I really spend that much money I expect something like 1D durabilty (300k-400k).
I don't have a good feeling spending so much money and the body is only build for half the durabilty like the 1D somethings.

That makes sense.  However, you can buy two new 5-series cameras for the price of a single new 1-series camera, yielding the same number of shutter cycles.  Or just get the 5-series shutter replaced for a few quid.

I accept the durability argument as regards harsh weather and abuse (e.g. war journalism); aside from that, it's much less expensive to buy a 5-series (or less) and repair or replace it when needed.

Cheers.

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EOS Bodies / Re: The Dawn of a New Digital Resolution
« on: February 05, 2015, 03:50:09 PM »
rs, please see answers inline in blue.


No. The largest possible square supported by the 43.27mm image circle common across the EF lens system is just under 30.6mm x 30.6mm. Anything bigger than that would result in corner shading.

The goal is not to get a perfect square output, but to get the maximum the image circle can produce.  It's better to crop corner shading in post, than to crop a large fraction of the image circle with every shot.
 
  • Some EF lenses have a rectangular baffle, such as the 70-200, optimised for a 3:2 image format. This would allow for a theoretical maximum 24x24mm square sensor
Remove the baffle and stop producing lenses with such baffles.  Do they serve any specific purpose which can't be accomplished with other features?

  • Many lenses have petal shaped hoods, optimised for a 3:2 image format. This again means a 24x24mm sensor  Replace the hood.  Plastic is cheap.
  • If using the DSLR format, the 44mm flange distance would be pushed over the limit to allow for a 36mm image height mirror -  This was addressed in a previous post: this large sensor would either require a major redesign of the mirror assembly, or would need to wait for maturity of mirrorless.

Regards,

Orangutan

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