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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT

« on: March 24, 2013, 07:19:54 PM »

Go with the 7D now to start enjoying it ASAP!

I went from an XT to 7D several years ago and noted many useful advantages:
- more and faster AF points (check the web to see articles where 7D focus sensor is MUCH larger than the red box onscreen which can cause focus not to be exactly where you think it is)
- faster frame rate allows a better chance of actually capturing the action you want
- more solid rugged body feels better in hand with better control layout
- more pixels allowing creative cropping to get the framing you want while maintaining detail
- much larger ISO range (including AUTO) which allowed me to take better high ISO shots in varying low light while setting the aperature and shutter speed I want.
- top screen which allows a rapid check of camera settings
- larger brighter viewfinder (100%) which allows you to see exactly what is going to end up in the picture and not guess about the edges
- larger brighter back LCD screen

I agree with all that, but the 60D has all of that except for the 100% viewfinder but it does have an articulating lcd screen which helps substantially when shooting video. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT

« on: March 24, 2013, 07:16:16 PM »

Having waited from 2005, don't saddle yourself with a camera that is several years old now.

7d2, whenever it arrives, will be t a premium for at least six months from the release date,  so may not be an option. But 6D already in the market and will come down in price a bit in a few months. Might be well worth the wait.

Rent for your upcoming trips in the interim as you save for a few months and as prices drop.  May also be a good way to try these bodies out without committing. Cheers.

First of all, when the 7d mkii comes out, it will be more than the 7D when it was first released.  Per Canon price watch, it launched at $1700 in 2010.  So I'm going to guess the mkii version is going to be around $1950 for at least 6 months.  That's ridiculous that he gets that when his needs don't warrant it.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT

« on: March 24, 2013, 07:09:54 PM »

7D will be a huge update from Rebel XT. You will not be disappointed. AF is fast and much advanced. You will be able to shoot sports/action.

10-22 lens will serve well when shooting landscape. After saving a while, you can upgrade your other lenses as well i.e. 18-55 to 17-55 f/2.8 or 24-70 f/2.8.

Also, keep in mind that if 7D2 ever comes, it will priced at same price as $6D, may be even more.

Yeah, those are great lens upgrades, but I'm gonna guess it is way out of this guys price range for at least 3 years. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Upgrading from Rebel XT

« on: March 24, 2013, 07:07:03 PM »

So, I've settled for now on buying a used Canon 7D ($850) and a used Canon 10-22 EF-S ($600) to go with my 18-55 EF-S and 70-300 EF. With Tax that will max out my current camera savings (and I may have to throw a bit on top to make it actually fit the budget).

I'm not sure why the 7D is preferred over the 60D.  7D shoots per shots per second... but that doesn't sound like it is a factor is what you shoot save for the kids, but 5.3 per second v. 8 isn't a crazy huge difference. 

You can get a used 60D in newish condition for around $600.  It lacks AFMA, but for wide angle photography, it's not a big deal because you can use live view to focus on your subject, but normally shots are taken on a tripod with longer exposure times.  So that is a non-factor. 

As for the wide angle... I'd lean toward the Tokina 11-16.  That can be found for around $530.  I know people really like the 10-22... I'm not a fan of wide angle, and in the grand scheme of things, most wide angle f/2.8's are still shot at f/8 or higher... so the f/2.8 isn't a big factor.  But I think there is better value in that. 

So you would spend 1450 with a 7D and a 10-22.  But if you get a 60D and an 11-16, you are looking at 1130 and saving $320. 

With a spare $320... I'd try and sell your 18-55 for around $50 and getting up to $370.  Save a few extra bucks and then get a 15-85mm for around $543 (plus tax).  The quality over the 18-55 is TREMENDOUS. 

http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_10051_269486_-1

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 24, 2013, 10:25:17 AM »

Also, whatever you might say about the "majority of rebel users" -- I wonder how many 5-series and 1-series users start out as Rebel users ? (I did) There is a delicate balance here -- they do want to be able to encourage these people to ultimately upgrade to a 5 or 1 series body but they don't want to make the entry level body so awful that these users start out with a different manufacturer.

As did I.  So for us at least, and I suspect there are lots of others like us, it seems their 'cripple the low end to drive up-marketing' strategy is working rather well. 

if you can't afford the prostitute,  get out of the brothel.

I suspect that there are many more who are not "like us" -- we have more disposable income than the typical hobbyists.

I started out in the DSLR world with a 550D and soon after bought a 24-105 new. Later I bought a 5D classic and was sold on FF for good.
I was waiting with credit card in hand to pre order the 5DIII for 2800 bucks or less, but alas, it wasn't to be. One of the main reasons for me choosing Canon at first was their more reasonable pricing than Nikon(at the time(2009)).
By the time the 24-70 II was announced and the 6D vs D600, I had had enough and was sick of the new pricing strategy(everything expensive(except the 40mm, which I don't need) and the lack of exciting products(less exciting specs than the competition, similar or lower rated reviews to the competition, No RX1 competition, and slow 2.8 primes.)
I chose to buy a used D700 and a 24-70 from Nikon. I was worried about switching brands, but at this point, i'd feel like a fool if i hadn't.
To be honest, i'm pretty much done with big DSLRs and heavy glass. I'm not a Nikon fanboy at all. My next camera will either be an RX1 or any FF mirrorless camera or SL1 sized full frame.
I truly hope Canon, Nikon, Fuji, or Sony make this in the next year before I start another year of travel. I'd be happy to switch back to Canon if they can create that sense of confidence in their pricing, and exciting new products that has been missing the past couple of years.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 24, 2013, 09:48:53 AM »

Also, whatever you might say about the "majority of rebel users" -- I wonder how many 5-series and 1-series users start out as Rebel users ? (I did) There is a delicate balance here -- they do want to be able to encourage these people to ultimately upgrade to a 5 or 1 series body but they don't want to make the entry level body so awful that these users start out with a different manufacturer.

As did I.  So for us at least, and I suspect there are lots of others like us, it seems their 'cripple the low end to drive up-marketing' strategy is working rather well. 

I suspect that there are many more who are not "like us" -- we have more disposable income than the typical hobbyists.

Interesting question, but I'm 90% sure that the rich ladies who want a "nice" camera make up less than 2% of the market for 5D and 1D buyers.  I'd guess that 70% are professionals or are used in a professional capacity with the remaining 25% being hobbyists. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Fastest card for 5DM3 - do you still buffer out?

« on: March 24, 2013, 09:46:12 AM »

While we are on the subject... I have a Sandisk and a Lexar UHS SD card... so class 10, but basically 45 to 60 mbps... and I was shopping for CF cards the other day and I think the fastest I saw was 1000x in my budget range. 

So my question is how much faster is the cf card than the sd card?  Is it the write speeds which makes the difference and not the reported read speeds?

On the 5DM3 or just in general?  On the 5DM3, the CF slot is the racehorse. The SD slot is not UHS-1 enabled, and seems to max out at about 25% of what the CF slot can do (with the fastest CF card = Lexar 1000X)...

I knew the mkiii didn't do uhs... which ticks me off, but it's more fake anger.  So a 4:1 ratio... ouch.  I wish there was resale value to my SD cards... but they don't have much of a draw.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Which would you pick for a wife camera sony nex 6 or eos sl1?

« on: March 24, 2013, 01:14:16 AM »

Has this query been posed yet... "Do you still love your wife?" I think that would sway my suggestion.

Of course not sure how thats relevant?

I think you are missing punctuation... it can be interpreted in a few ways...

The most likely candidate is: Of course!  Not sure how that's relevant. 
But I like: Of course NOT!  Sure....?  How's that relevant?

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Fastest card for 5DM3 - do you still buffer out?

« on: March 24, 2013, 12:29:39 AM »

While we are on the subject... I have a Sandisk and a Lexar UHS SD card... so class 10, but basically 45 to 60 mbps... and I was shopping for CF cards the other day and I think the fastest I saw was 1000x in my budget range. 

So my question is how much faster is the cf card than the sd card?  Is it the write speeds which makes the difference and not the reported read speeds? 

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EOS Bodies / Re: I did it, I took the plunge

« on: March 24, 2013, 12:24:59 AM »

Yesterday I received my 5D mkIII with 24-105 kit lens, a 70-200 f2.8 L II and a battery grip.

5Dmarkiii, w/ kit lens no less, AND the 70-200... and to rub it in... a battery grip..  I hate you! (nothing personal!)

Your endorphin glands have to empty now... I mean unboxing that much metal and glass in one sitting....  I'd be numb after that... I mean Scarlet johanson could have knocked on my door with a suitcase full of a million dollars right afterwards, and I'd have to ask her to come back later because I was too busy unboxing photographer's crack.

Definitley watch the AF vids from canon, and stay posted for the new firmware release that promises clean HDMI out.

Skip the cash... give me scarjo and my camera... and we are having a party!

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 23, 2013, 11:19:50 PM »

Does anyone remember the film days, when a new camera model was introduced every five years or more?  Now anything over a year and people are freaking out.  I started on the fantastic manual Pentax K1000 which had about a 20 year production run (and I am pretty sure is the best selling camera model of all time).

Yes, but as see below did they come out with an EOS651 and EOS652 just to put a new dial on them? No and look below:

OK, the t5i does seem unnecessary - why not stick with t4i? 

Exactly this one is a total waste. Waste of time making all new info for it, tooling up new housings, etc. Just keep the t4i out there another year then (with firmware update to add AMFA). How on earth can it not have at least gotten the wifi/network stuff?

As for AFMA, I use a 5D2, I have large aperture lenses, and I have never had a need for AFMA.  Plus, no one is using large aperture lenses on these cameras and it would just be another confusing menu item.  I teach beginning photo classes at my lab and trust me, there are way too many menu options already - the average person does not want and will never use all those settings.

Well, I have yet to find a body+lens combo that has worked best at AMFA 0.
I have found many cases where it made a radical difference.
I think the average person finds it more confusing when they aim at something and find the darn focus 3' in front what they aimed at in 2/3rd of their shots no?

uggg...most rebel users...and yes i know there are some that know what they're doing...most rebel users i encounter don't even know how to handle the AF system, they have it set tot he same damn all point active setting that it was on when it came out of the box.  I can't even count the # of times I've been confronted by one of these users at events, they all ask the same things but haven't even taken a peek at the manual.   The kind that say, whats that?, when they hear the word aperture.   Focus points?  What are those...these are the people that drive the rebel market!

But without them Canon wouldn't have nearly the profits to do all the necessary r&d...  so think of them as the tax payer that helps to build the b2  bomber.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 23, 2013, 11:16:29 PM »

when I got my xs I  didn't know what afma was.   when I upgraded to my 60d, I  didn't know what afma  was.   when I found out what it was and that it was stripped from the 50d, I  was  super pissed.  I grow into my gear as I  get  better,  but it is annoying.

I started with a T1i, 17-55/2.8 IS and 85/1.8.  I knew enough to spend more on lens(es) than body, but nothing about AFMA.  Then I bought a 100L Macro IS, which noticeably backfocused, so I did some research.  I soon bought a 7D, and I'll never buy another AFMA-less body.

I walk around with the grand in lenses in my bag f1.4, f2.8, f3.5,  and f4.   I've gotten lucky more often than not and haven't had issues with back or front focussing.   But Canon basically admitted that the xxd  level owner it's proficient enough to warrant afma being in the camera.  I  could care less about the rebel series,  but it does annoy me it was stripped. 

 I'm getting a5d mkii  here shortly,  so it hasn't annoyed me so much that I switched to Nikon.

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Should I sell my 7D for a 6D?

« on: March 23, 2013, 11:07:27 PM »

I sold my 7D to help finance my 6D purchase.  I'm so glad that I did.  Image quality is far superior in my opinion.  For my style of shooting, I don't need 19 AF or the faster shutter.  The only real issue I have is the lack of a pop up flash or some form of wireless transmission for my flash.  Of course, now I don't need the flash anymore with the ISO performance :p

what kind of speedlite do you have?  I  have a 430ex  and I  hope I  can trigger it wirelessly when I eventually upgrade.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Congratulations Canon to another great Camera release!!

« on: March 23, 2013, 10:47:05 PM »

Always funny to see people complaining that the new low-end camera aren't focused on professionals users needs. The fact is that both these camera's target audience are amateurs who just what to make a few good looking picture easily. The great majority of them have no idea what are AFMA, DR or other. The thing they will see, though, is that they can get just as good picture from this camera that the last model but it is of smaller size, so it is more portable and more practical for them.
Although some might fell "cheated" by Canon, just remember that it is a corporation; its only goal is to make profits, just like any other corporation. They are making the products they think will sale best, and according to the success of those low-end camera, it seems they are doing a good job in it.

nonsense....

the complains are about that canon sells a camera as NEW that has barely anything new on it.

What is funny is that people seems surprise. As stated before, the reason Canon does camera is to make profits. The low-ends body always get yearly release because this is how the market work. This is a bit like complaining that the Toyota Yaris 2013 is pretty much identical to the Toyota Yaris 2012; cars get yearly release, even though significant changes are only made every now and then. The same marketing logic is apply to consumers camera. The fact is it take lots of years of research to significally improve technology. Furthermore, I don't think lots of people upgrades from a XXXd camera to another one, and if so, I can only guess it can take quite a few years. Those camera aren't made for people who own a 600d or 650d, they are made for people who owns P&S and what something better. People who already own a XXXd are more likely to keep it for quite a few years if it fits there needs, or upgrade to XXd or Xd if not.

+1 ---a rebel user that actually knows what AFMA does, they would know enough and probably progressed enough to upgrade to XXD or XD lines.  the rebel users upgrading to other rebels - that's the guy who brought his rebel to the bar and forgot it there, or dropped it.  Like you said, you don't go sell your 2012 yaris to buy a 2013 yaris, that's not really an upgrade - a camry hybrid would be an upgrade!

 when I got my xs I  didn't know what afma was.   when I upgraded to my 60d, I  didn't know what afma  was.   when I found out what it was and that it was stripped from the 50d, I  was  super pissed.  I grow into my gear as I  get  better,  but it is annoying. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: Should I sell my 7D for a 6D?

« on: March 23, 2013, 10:38:51 PM »

do you want full frame or crop?

I think what he is  saying is that he wants to  use wide angle prime,  and  with  full frame the same lens is  naturally 60% wider.   it makes sense to me.