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EOS Bodies / Re: Apparently, Nikon users are switching to Canon...
« on: March 04, 2012, 11:08:47 PM »
No pro would switch at this point in time, period. These are brand new cameras and completely untested. In 4-7 months, that could change. Anyone switching, based on specs and demo shots, isnt a pro in my book.

Is that right? I'm not waiting 4-7 months. I have both a 5DIII and a D800 on pre-order, and will decide which one to keep based on my own research. If you make a living with your equipment and are pushing the limits of your equipment with every assignment that comes your way, you don't have the luxury of waiting around or basing your purchasing decision on someone else's review of the camera you're interested in. Unless a person reviewing a camera shoots the exact same subject matter that I do, using the exact same technique in the field, using the exact same technique in post production, then their opinion is of limited value at best.

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Bigger files means increased storage requirements. I've already filled several 1TB hard drives with photos from my 5DII & 7D. 40+ mp would be ridiculous!

I don't care too much about those factors, as disk space and computer hardware is cheap. However, for the type of shooting that I do, a low-light beast like the 5DIII gives me more flexibility in terms of practical use and creativity. Once mine gets here, I will take advantage of its high ISO performance all the time, whereas having a ton of megapixels would be nice, but for editorial work, it would only be a factor in 1 out of 10 shots that actually make it to print.

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EOS Bodies / High ISO comparo: 5DIII vs. D800
« on: March 02, 2012, 07:11:12 PM »
You could see this one coming from a mile away. These 5DIII images have already been posted here. Just change the number in the URL from "01" to "18" to download them all.

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/files/education/technical/inside_canon_eos_5d_mark_iii/01_cinc_big.jpg


Here are some high ISO test images from the D800:

http://mansurovs.com/nikon-d800-high-iso-image-samples

There aren't many direct ISO comparisons (ie 1600 vs. 1600) in these samples, but my own worthless opinion is that the 5DIII at 25,600 looks almost as good as the D800 at 6400, and the 5DIII looks substantially better at 6400 than the D800 at 6400. So, my unscientific conclusion is that the 5DIII tops the D800 by 1.5 to 2 stops.

Discuss :)

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D III high ISO samples
« on: March 02, 2012, 04:57:53 PM »
I ran one of Canon's ISO 25,600 samples through LR3 and indiscriminately cranked the noise reduction slider all the way to the right. IMHO, the result is a perfectly printable image and the resolution makes up for the loss of detail due to smearing in all but the largest of prints.


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Waawaaa. You gotta pay to play. Just looking at the high ISO sample images of the MKIII, I'm happy to pay a $500 premium for it over the D800. This thing is a low-light monster. 

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D III high ISO samples
« on: March 02, 2012, 04:28:39 PM »
I just downloaded the high ISO images from DPR.  All the images were taken at 3EV, so they are real low light images.

On my screen, I could see the noise at ISO 102400, but the 8.5 X 11 prints were sharp and clean.  I then printed 3 more, 51200, 25,600, 12800, and they also suprised me.  I could show any of these prints to someone, and they would not suspect that they were high ISO unless they had a magnifier.

These were jpegs with no additional processing by me, I would expect RAW to be better.

I certainly plan to use the ISO 25600 freely whenever I absolutely need it in low light for a fast shutter speed.

Canon has done some real work on the blacks, I can move the black slider in LR4 all the way to the right without seeing any banding.


No kidding. I think this is the test you're referring to:

http://www.dpreview.com/galleries/reviewsamples/albums/canon-eos-5d-mark-iii-low-light-iso-samples

I'm trying to be as unbiased as I can, but I had a very hard time picking up on any noticeable noise up to ISO 25,600. Only at 102,400 does it become objectionable. I'm starting to suspect that my eyes are bad or my monitor is broken :D  Like you said, the noise in the blacks is almost non-existent. It looks like the native ISO range is a legit representation of the MKIII's true low-light capabilities.

Kudos to Canon for creating a high-speed, low-light monster. I didn't think I'd ever say that about any 5D  :D


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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D III high ISO samples
« on: March 02, 2012, 04:14:31 PM »
Not to date myself too much who was raised/trained and shot professionally with film, The ISO 25600 shots are cleaner than the old 1600 ISO film...  the old film, at high ISO was A) very expensive, and B) almost unusable for anything bigger than a 4x6, and even that look like it was sneezed on.  Technology with every new camera never ceases to amaze me.

Werd. The 5DIII's ISO 1600 samples are FAR cleaner than 200 speed film. That kind of progress just boggles my mind. In fact, I'd say the ISO 1600 shots compare favorably to ISO 200-400 on my 5DC despite the fact that the MKIII has twice the resolution. I'm equally impressed with the dynamic range as well, especially in that image of the glaciers.

I was going to test the 5DIII side by side with the D800 once I got my hands on them, but with results this good, I might just cancel my D800 pre-order outright.

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EOS Bodies / 5DIII pre-order thread
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:31:57 AM »
With all the hoopla surrounding the 5DIII, who actually put their money where there mouths are and put in a pre-order? Me  :D

My order went in at 12:10 EST at B&H. Hopefully that was fast enough to get one of the first batches.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Introducing the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:22:07 AM »
Nikon D800 native iso: 100-6400
Canon 5d3 native iso: 100-25600 ???

Is this right? Looking forward to the high iso samples to see any significant improvements.

That's a big selling point I think Canon just did, if those extra 2 stops of iso are usable!


According to this interview, Mr. Westfall says the MKIII is two stops better in ISO than the MKII. I'm  assuming that's for jpegs but it's still impressive nonetheless.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/talkingtech/story/2012-03-02/canon-5d-mark-III/53323596/1

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 01:14:22 AM »
Just read and watched an interview saying that it would be available in North America by the end of March!  ;D

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/columnist/talkingtech/story/2012-03-02/canon-5d-mark-III/53323596/1


What's more interesting in that clip is when Mr. Westfall says the MKIII is two stops better in ISO than the MKII. I'm  assuming that's for jpegs but it's still impressive nonetheless.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Introducing the Canon 5D Mark III
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:31:34 AM »
Just put in my pre-order through B&H. Hopefully Canon will be able to deliver it by late March as advertised. I'm almost as excited about the 600EX-RT. I've been debating buying three sets of Radio Poppers, but having an OE solution from Canon is a huge plus, despite the shorter range.

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:26:14 AM »
Is it already available for shipping/pre-order??  At the B&H website, it says it is backordered and you can add to cart, but with the 1dx is still says price is not determined and it isn't even available for preorder.

Not sure what the difference is between "backordered" and a pre-order at B&H, but I was able to add one to my cart, enter my payment info, and complete the checkout.

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EOS Bodies / Re: It's official!
« on: March 02, 2012, 12:23:49 AM »
I just ordered one up from B&H. Canon will supposedly start shipping them in late March, which far exceeding my expectations. I also have a D800 on pre-order, so I need to decide on whether to cancel it, or test it out side by side with the 5DIII. What a dilemma  :)

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: upgrade From 1dMk2 to ? 5dmk3 or 1DX
« on: March 01, 2012, 11:34:55 PM »
For wedding use, I couldn't justify spending twice as much for a 1Dx over the 5DIII. That said, either will be a HUGE upgrade in terms of image quality. I love my 1DMKII for it's responsiveness, build quality, AF and speed, but its image quality is antiquated by today's standards. Even my 5DC kicks its butt in terms of noise, color, contrast, and overall IQ.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 5d Mark III vs Nikon D800!!!
« on: March 01, 2012, 02:03:55 PM »
It's a tough call. Strangely, the 5DIII looks like the successor to the D700, and the D800 looks like the successor to the 5DII. So, we have a slightly slower body in the D800 that's a resolution monster, and a slightly faster body in the 5DIII with lower resolution. IMHO, the wild card between the two is ISO and DR. With a 25,600 native ISO range, the 5DIII appears to have the edge on paper, but then again the 1DIV also had the same native range yet the H1 and H2 images were pretty much unusable. As always, no one will know for sure until sample images are available, especially when it comes to DR.

I have a D800 on pre-order, but am seriously thinking about putting in a pre-order for a 5DIII so I can compare both side by side before deciding which system to shoot with in the future.

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