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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 20, 2014, 01:57:47 PM »
Lee Jay I can't imagine having a cellphone for 7 years!  :o  so curious, what kind is it??

All of them I've ever had, several brands.  I'm only 2 years into my Galaxy S3 at the moment.  Haven't considered upgrading.

I live in Colorado too, the "big landscape state".  I think I've taken about 5 landscapes in my life, and only one of them in Colorado.  That was a big panorama taken with a state of the art camera, a Nikon Coolpix 950!

Different circles then. There are many well known landscape photographers who live in this state. One in particular is exceptionally well known, John Fielder. This IS a big landscape state, and people DO spend a lot of time taking landscape photos here. Go hiking up in the highlands above the Maroon Bells, or in the Uncomphagre wilderness, or San Juan range, and you'll see a ton of people with DSLRs.

I think your less a representative of "the norm" than you might think. ;)

You do realise that John Fielder uses Canon I presume ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Just for Jrista: 2014 Market Data
« on: September 20, 2014, 07:33:33 AM »
as I was pre-ordering my 7d2 today, (uh-hmmm...  cough..) my LCS guy said pre-orders for the 7d2 vs the d750 were running about 15-to-1.
Holy cow!  much more pent up demand hoping for a large improvement over the old 7d than any craving for a new FF Nik body is my interpretation, especially when there's already 2 good options in the 800 and 600 series that many are likely already satisfied with. 
You could spin that as too many FF nik bodies available.. or, quite possibly, a lot of people wanting a better Canon crop body that they will finally get.

I'm not at all surprised about a 15-1 ratio between a good, new APS camera and the same FF.  Look at the on cost with building a FF system compared with smaller format. OK, many people revel in this, some really need it, but at the end of the day there is going to be a lot more cost to produce images that are generally indistinguishable from one another, most of the time.

IMO Nikon are going to be heading down the wrong path again if they put their emphasis on FF cameras at the expense of cheaper, better value APS, especially as time is moving on and those who have used film are going to be less in number, and so the format size will generally have less impact on the buying decision for many.



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EOS Bodies / Re: Sample Images From the EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 19, 2014, 03:06:38 PM »
and I got sidewinded (if that is the correct word)

I think you mean sidetracked. I could get sidetracked from my FF cameras too.......the 7DII looks like very good value compared with the FF cameras.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 19, 2014, 02:59:56 PM »
Sharpening is just an example of one of the extra things you often have to do with Canon files. One of many. In the situations where my 5D III is at it's worst, the workload involves a lot more than just sharpening..........



You see absolutely no difference between cameras of vastly differing IQ capabilities.

What if the photographer doesn't want 'brittle', 'digital' images ? Many of those pictures you have linked to on 500px will have had, as part of the extensive post processing, a Gaussian blur applied. More workload as you put it.


In the vast majority of photographic applications there is no case of 'vastly differing IQ capabilities. That's the whole point.

But for someone who wants to view brittle images which have been under exposed by three stops on a good quality monitor at 100% the D810 fits the bill nicely.


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EOS Bodies / Re: Sample Images From the EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 19, 2014, 07:35:59 AM »
And what were those comments about Canon's sensor technology, generations et al.........?

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 18, 2014, 02:07:52 PM »
Sorry, but there is a relatively large difference in detail between the two. That has nothing to do with dynamic range, simply the pixel size. The D800 resolves quite a lot more detail than the 5D III. That either translates into the ability to enlarge more with the same level of detail as smaller enlargements with the 5D III, or it translates into naturally crisper, sharper images when downsampling for smaller prints or online publication.

"Large difference in detail" #1

http://s11.postimg.org/kyh7iwp8j/5d3_d810_1.jpg

"Large difference in detail" #2

http://s16.postimg.org/i7ha1whwl/5d3_d810_2.jpg

"Large difference in detail" #2

http://s24.postimg.org/swj8ybket/5d3_d810_3.jpg

All images: left 5D mark III, right Nikon D810, DPReview studio scene RAW files at ISO 100 / NR0 converted using ACR standard settings. 5D3 file was resized to match (Bicubic Sharper) and then had light sharpening applied. I encourage everyone to download test files such as these and try them for yourself.

At best one can say tiny high contrast details are rendered a little better at pixel peeping sizes, and the D810 will sometimes pick up light, small patterns or textures missed on the 5D3. Shown at 50% on a 96 ppi monitor (i.e. 25x40" print) this stuff would be invisible. In print it would be invisible without a loupe.

We are well into diminishing returns for small format. People talk endlessly about AA filters and 22/24 vs. 36 MP yet they hardly matter at all even when pixel peeping tripod mounted shots made with primes at optimum apertures. Subject lighting, lens, technique, post processing, each 1,000x more important to fine detail and sharpness. I hope when Canon releases a high MP body they A) don't charge 1D prices, and B) shoot past 50 MP even if high ISO suffers. Because at this point I'm wondering if even >50 MP would yield truly significant differences in print without also jumping to a MF sized sensor.

This, btw, is why I'm going with the Sony A7 over the A7R. I see the exact same thing there. I would rather have electronic first curtain shutter, the phase detect points, and the extra cash in my pocket for lenses.

I think this is why we haven't seen a 'very high' mp FF sensor from Canon yet. Once you go beyond a certain level of potential resolution the format becomes the restriction in the sense of the magnification (focal length of lens) that you have to use pro rata, the size of image capture and then the magnification required to view the image. So smaller format equals shorter focal length (less magnification) equals smaller capture equals greater magnification to view.

This is why the 'large FF mp' camera doesn't excite me very much.

Incidentally this is why ( excluding dof, low light etc etc) you just can't tell the difference in a (moderately enlarged) image from APS against FF when the subject is close to you and filling the frame, but you can when the subject detail is much further away, ie landscapes.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 18, 2014, 09:21:16 AM »
Nikons D8xx (Sonys Exmor sensors) are better for landscape shooter.
There is nothing to talk about, it´s a fact.

I can agree with you that when you really can go into the pixel itself. Yes, there is more detail because of the higher resolution. However, in our local photo club and in school, when we all take photo's of the same landscape, we all can immediately see the full frame sensors when we compare photos afterwards, and for sure in combination with good lenses. However, no one can see on the difference between the 5D3 and the Nikon D800, D810. The difference can be found back when we compare in LR into deep detail, but in no other way.


Good to hear from other people who have practical experience between D8xx and 5DIII. This is why so many landscape orientated photographers that use FF ( as opposed to something larger) use Canon.

Sorry but that´s just blahblah.

How many Landscape shooter use Canon how many Nikon?
How many who would love to have a medium format digital camera choose Canon over Nikon?

Do you have any such statistics?

Not for you.

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Reviews / Re: Tony Northrup - D810 vs. 5D Mk3
« on: September 18, 2014, 07:25:50 AM »
Nikons D8xx (Sonys Exmor sensors) are better for landscape shooter.
There is nothing to talk about, it´s a fact.

I can agree with you that when you really can go into the pixel itself. Yes, there is more detail because of the higher resolution. However, in our local photo club and in school, when we all take photo's of the same landscape, we all can immediately see the full frame sensors when we compare photos afterwards, and for sure in combination with good lenses. However, no one can see on the difference between the 5D3 and the Nikon D800, D810. The difference can be found back when we compare in LR into deep detail, but in no other way.


Good to hear from other people who have practical experience between D8xx and 5DIII. This is why so many landscape orientated photographers that use FF ( as opposed to something larger) use Canon.

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Photography Technique / Re: Square or not?
« on: September 17, 2014, 05:07:33 PM »
Square. People will think you shot it on a Hasselblad.

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EOS Bodies / Re: AE-1 Styled DSLR from Canon?
« on: September 17, 2014, 05:03:30 PM »
IMHO Canon will not consider making a 'retro' look dslr because they haven't fouled up the design of the current EOS. It has been a gradual evolution in staying up to date, a little like the Porche 911 perhaps.

The latest Nikon's on the other hand looked like they were designed by Dr. Jekyll after a night out on the town as Mr Hyde, so I can quite understand Mr Mitsubishi saying 'let's get back to what we were good at'. Except they then seem to have let Quasimodo's great aunt design the Df.

One day soon Mr Mitsubishi is going to find out where Canon's chief EOS designer goes out for his drinks, meet him there and press a great wad of Yens into his hand and say: please come and work for me.

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Lenses / Re: Would you buy a hypothetical 85mm f/1.4L portrait lens if...
« on: September 17, 2014, 04:49:12 PM »

I'm holding out for the 85mm f/1.0 L, myself.  More light, not less.  IMO, the notion that sensor improvements negate the value of fast lenses is just silly.  Sensor improvements make fast lenses more capable.  :)

Well they do and they don't. Research it and I think you'll find there is a fair bit of jiggery pokery going on to get an f1.2 lens to record like an f1.2 lens.

However I think it's fair to say the modern AF does make a very fast lens make more versatile sense.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 17, 2014, 12:13:55 PM »
Not sure what impact this will have on EXMOOR availability in the future.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29233644

Exmoor is where they have lots of deer and heather  ;)

In your link I didn't see any analysts saying " Exmor will save Sony stock !"

Or even Exmor anything.........

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EOS Bodies / Re: High ISO Samples from the Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 17, 2014, 03:10:11 AM »
LOL at the trolling regarding the 7D2 AF, first of all the guy was making an informal test of the High ISO SOOC JPEGs from the cam, not its AF performance.

Yes, an informal test, so the results of it should be universally ignored or taken with a grain of salt.

at least he has his gut to post his out of focus image?

What he did wasn't gutsy but a plain grab for attention and clicks.

Quote
how about you?

"mine is bigger than yours"? How mature.

1. bigger but useless does not help  :o... LOL...
2. he is a business guy, what do you expect...

however, i have at least realized that you know very little about how to take images... otherwise, you already take my challenges...  if your images are that s*cks, then do not give out comments or try to educate other people about photography after doing some crap research around the internet.  if you are that good in technology, then apply for the r&d departments...  instead of being so, join forums and keep learning just like some others and i do...

you have not answer my previous question on topic "Do Sensors Make the Camera" and again, be-careful in giving out answer, otherwise, i am going to call you as a guy being born with tofu brain...

... or you want to downgrade to my canon 30d and 50mm f/1.4?  again, i guarantee that your images cannot be sharper than mine regardless what camera i use (from canon 30d to modern), certainly not better than any others in this forums, but definitely better than yours...

note:  my daughter at a chess tournament, while little one playing crazy chess with her friend...  taken with canon 30d and 430ex ii (in single shot mode, not high-speed burst since i hate process of rating images).  if admin think what i am talking is not right, let me know and i will delete my post immediately...

Your first two pictures are excellent and proof that we've been able to make great digital images since the early naughtiest. Having said that the 30D was never the best landscape camera and incritical observation produced pretty noisy skies, although to be fair this couldn't be seen in a practical print unless very big.

With regard to the high ISO examples shot by this guy at photokina I'm sure his emphasis was an grabbing some high ISO shots, and let's face it; they are remarkably good, and I'll be fascinated to see some critical low ISO shots too.

Regarding the focus - OK so the camera technology probably isn't yet dilbert proof, but which is ?

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Lenses / Re: What telephotos do we own?
« on: September 15, 2014, 05:05:11 PM »
What about the highly under rated 200 2.8 ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: Official: Canon EOS 7D Mark II
« on: September 15, 2014, 04:58:21 PM »
:'( I think something is up with my 5D III.

Seems everyone is aware of that, you have so much trouble with noise an all.

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