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EOS Bodies / Re: DPReview Interview with Chuck Westfall of Canon USA
« on: February 07, 2015, 03:28:08 AM »
Tremendous resolution! No improvements in DR, no improvements on noise, no support for high precision manual focus, due to fixed focusing screen (they put it on the 6D and 7DII, but not on their flagships :o), exposure metering is not following AF, no illuminated AF confirmation ... There are some more, but these were on top of my wish list. I got one out of six. ::)

Not including support of changeable focus screens is easily explained as a business decision.
If manual focus was easy on 5Ds then the likely hood of people buying MF Zeiss lenses is much larger instead of them buying AF lenses from Canon.
Most people who buy 6D and 7DII will not spend the money on MF Zeiss lenses so it is safe to allow them to change focusing screens.

Remember Canon's first priority is to maximize profits, if you look at Canon's decisions through this lens then most decisions make sense.
Of course you´re right and that is what pisses me off. And, unfortunately we as customers, in most cases, let them bully us into their corner, where they lock us up and suck us dry. This time my disappointment was just too much and I´m preparing to exit.

Focusing Screens in Taiwan will make an S-screen that will give us that functionality. But it is a nerv wrecking operation to change the focusing screens and it must be done on a bench with tools and good light, ref. how it´s done on the 5DIII. And you have to be able to change them, preferably when you´re in the field, if you want to use lenses slower than f2.8. So I can still get it, but it will be a lot of hassle involved. I would not be surprised though, if the 5Ds will require that you go in from the viewer side to get it out, meaning it will be impossible to change outside of a CPS shop.

How many of you shoot macro with the 100 f2.8L IS Macro? How many use manual focus in doing so? I suppose quite a few. In a sunny and high contrast situation, it is a lot easier to focus that lens manually with an Ec-S focusing screen, than using live view. I would have loved to use a capable 5Ds for that.

Another good use of a high precision focusing screen is when shooting portraits with very shallow depth of field, like with an 85 f1.2L II or 135 f2.0. Why do Canon provide manual focus override with most of their lenses, if you are unable to see that you actually got That eye in focus? I would have loved to use a capable 5Ds for that.

So Canon´s protective attitude, fuelled by their fright of letting any other company make money by allowing customers to use other lenses their own and their view on how to maximise profit, ended in my case in not buying the 5Ds and also not buying the 11-24. And I doubt I will buy any more Canon lenses. I will also stop recommending Canon to people asking for advice. A drop in their ocean, but it might be that I´m not the only one.

The reason that the new 5Ds and r don't have interchangeable focusing screens is because they are fundamentally a 5DIII with different sensor and mirror mechanics. I don't believe Canon intends to produce these in quantities anything like approaching 5DIII numbers, so there isn't really much new tooling.

(Conversely the reason the 6D does have interchangeable screens is because it uses many 5DII components).

The 5DIII offers much improved AF accuracy over the II, thus negating the need for a manual focus screen. Or does it ? This is the real question. Did Canon drop a feature that many people do really want ? Certainly judging from those of us on CR you would say yes, they did.

Time will tell to see if the feature returns in the 5DIV.

I don't agree with kphoto99. Purchases of Zeiss manual focus lenses are a drop in the ocean compared with AF, even the most expensive L ones.

I'm just wondering if English Heritage would like some pictures of a pretty, scantily clad maiden suspended in ropes in front of one of their castles ? Hmmm, sounds quite kinky, I'm beginning to warm to the idea. Maybe I should try it at home first.........

EOS Bodies / Re: Euro Pricing for EOS 5DS, 5DS R & EF 11-24 f/4L Revealed
« on: February 06, 2015, 08:51:03 AM »
The Canon 5D MKIII body averagely across Germany is currently retailing for € 2449. That makes the 5DS at € 1000 more or 42% more expensive thats a big hike.
The Sony A7R / A7S are well south of the 5D MKIII in pricing so Canon are really pushing the price limits at a time DSLR camera sales are falling.

I think they have priced it as such because they don't forecast selling that many compared with the other FF cameras. It's niche: if you want is so bad you're gonna have to pay the extra for it.

It's exactly the same camera, pretty much, as the immensely successful 5DIII, except for the sensor, so Canon don't have vast resources tied up in the tooling of it.

They are saying "take it or leave it".

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 08:45:17 AM »
On the Canon UK site I'm liking the shots with the Canon EF100mm f2.8L both the head & shoulders model shot and the close-up of the eyelid.
This lens is superb and worth every penny.

Just looking on the UK site, on the 'sharpness comparison', bowl of flowers, the 5Ds clearly has no sharpening or un-sharp mask applied. I bet there is, in practical viewing, absolutely no difference once appropriate sharpening has been applied. And who shoots a 50 mp camera and doesn't post process at all ?

The only benefit I see of the AA -less camera, the 'r' version, is if you are going to publish straight from the camera.

Ah-ha, now I know what it's for !

But do we have to speak with an Austraaali'n accent to get the best out of it ? I guess eml will find out  ;)

EOS Bodies / Re: Canon EOS 5Ds & EOS 5Ds R Image & Video Samples
« on: February 06, 2015, 03:13:12 AM »
I was definitely expecting more from these cameras. I know it's not an official review yet but I don't see a reason to buy this yet, especially knowing that the 5d4 will be coming later.

The only excuse I see for buying this over the 5d3 is if you really need all those pixels, apparently no improvement on  image quality.

Canon obviously don't think you need all those extra pixels: two of those shots were at f11 on a 24-70 II !

EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 5DS R
« on: February 05, 2015, 11:41:24 AM »

Once the initial flurry of interest and sales is over I don't expect Canon to sell very many of these, in the scheme of things.

Why would you say that? I'm not trying to dive into the SoNikon Vs. Canon debate but wouldn't a higher MP / higher DR photograph be better.

Would higher mp be better ? No, not necessarily, at least not 50 over 20 because 20 allows for enormous resolution potential anyway.

If this camera offers a leap forward in technology, then yes, sure it would be better, but if it is, I don't see that advantage lasting for very long once the 5DIV arrives.

And if you are really wanting to print at 30" across @ 300 dpi you are going to be much better off with a medium format sensor anyway, due to the greater magnification at capture and smaller enlargement in post.

I think it was DPR who demonstrated that on the 36 mp D800 and D800e you could only see any difference if you had not only absolute 100% technique but also had your lens aperture at its most resolving. So what is 50 mp going to be like ?

All  I'm saying is that the vast majority of people will be better served by 5DIII, or, if this camera does offer an IQ leap, then the 5DIV when that arrives. Many will buy it just because it is higher mp, but in the scheme of things I don't see it enjoying anything like the sales volume of the traditional 5 series.

EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 5DS R
« on: February 05, 2015, 11:19:09 AM »
That improved resolution will sell, especially to many of us who have long wanted better-than-borderline ana log 35 mm film resolution, which is what the 20-25 MP sensors produce. 

You are joking ? 35mm film producing the same image as a 20 -25 mp FF sensor ? If you are judging this from data you have been able to scan then you've been scanning grain, just like a guy who was on here recently claiming that his 35 mm film was scanning at 30 mp.

Show me a 100% size enlargements of one of your 25 mp 35 mm film scans.

In real image resolution 35 mm film is equivalent to around 8 mp, if done well. Some of the later, finer grained emulsions can get you a little over 10 mp, but none of them can equal even a 12.7 mp 5D.

EOS Bodies / Re: More Images of the Canon EOS 5DS R
« on: February 05, 2015, 07:00:37 AM »
Makes sense for Canon to sit this sensor in exactly the same 5DIII body ( with the addition of the little Nikon / Pentax style finger groove running up the left hand side as you hold it).

Once the initial flurry of interest and sales is over I don't expect Canon to sell very many of these, in the scheme of things.

Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Pentax working on FF DSLR
« on: February 05, 2015, 05:15:08 AM »
At long last; an alternative in the FF market to continually cheapening Nikons and ergonomically disastrous Sonys.

It will never be intended to match the Canikon sports cameras; it will be quirky but it will be good.

When the D800 came out I tried it because I was interested to compare a 36 mp single frame with 3 vertical frame stitch from the 12.7 mp 5D, which worked out at about 28 mp, and the same thing on the 5DII which was about 55 mp. Even the 5D stitch was far superior to the 36 mp single frame because the original image was over twice as big.

The reality is that if you are looking for more quality, resolution, enlargement etc than the mid twenties FF size sensor can give you really need to go to a larger format.

I'm sure there will be a lot of people who buy a 5Ds or sR who would have been better served by a 5DIII / IV.

It may be that in the short term, before the release of the 5DIV this high mp camera may offer some IQ improvements, but I can't see it lasting over cameras with larger pixels.,

I will be getting a 1DX MkII (if it has 21MP or more), that will be my main camera and the current 1Ds MkIII will be the backup. When the 1Ds MkIII dies or I have an over riding need for 50MP then the 5DS will become the 'backup', studio and product camera.

By the time your 1DsIII dies private, we'll be on the 5Dw

Portrait / Re: New Arrival
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:30:39 PM »
Congrats.  Enjoy the family.

So, with my tongue firmly implanted in my cheek (for those of you on this thread who are international, that is a saying meaning I am trying to be funny and don't mean what I am saying) you actually now have a very useful alibi for your G.A.S.  You really need that new camera equipment to get better photos of the baby!

 ;) ;) ;)

Good thinking JPAZ ! On your advice I've told my wife I need a 5Ds so I can get both mother and baby in focus at the same time !

Portrait / Re: New Arrival
« on: February 04, 2015, 05:28:11 PM »
Beautiful, something to be proud of, a nice family!
One thing that came into my mind:
Since your daughter sends to you expensive pets shortly after getting it, you might suggest that she should have an 800 mm f/5.6 lens for a pet.  Pretty soon, she'll off load it onto you.  ;D ;D ;D
Hope you have a great time with the grand kid! 8)

Haha, that's a brilliant idea !

Portrait / Re: New Arrival
« on: February 04, 2015, 04:35:27 PM »
Many thanks to all you guys for your encouraging comments ! Here are a couple more from to day; the baby's getting bigger.

First is 50/.4 @ f2 and the second is my ubiquitous 24-105L at about 90mm, f4. Both had fill bounced off the ceiling.

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