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Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 22, 2014, 04:30:42 AM »
So what needs fixing?

* distortion at the wide end  - use the 16-35 f/4L
* softness at the long end - use the 70-300L
* lack of IQ in the middle - 24-70 f/4

So instead of fixing the 24-105 and making it better, Canon effectively encourage you to sell it and buy three other lenses instead, resulting in a net of two new lens sales to replace one lens.

And given that Sigma failed to deliver a substantially better lens with a bigger construction, what motivation is there for Canon to fix the current model?

*distortion at the wide end: think of it as a 28-105 and you won't go far wrong
*softness at the long end: improve your technique
*lack of IQ in the middle: give up photography and take up embroidery.

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Lenses / Re: New Canon L Primes, but Not Until 2015 [CR2)
« on: August 21, 2014, 04:23:12 PM »
So how does that explain the fact that Sigma released a 50/1.4 under $1000 that is better than any Canon 50mm prime out there? ... The bottom line is that Canon makes crappy 50mm primes.  There is no escaping that.

Because Canon's first priority is professionals who depend their livelihood on the unmatched portrait performance of the 50mm f/1.2L.

As time goes on I'm having more respect for the 50 f1.4. It's a lens that is capable of producing images that boast a very expensive signature, even at f1.6 if you get the subject, distance and lighting right. Certainly not 'crappy', unless of course, you happen to be a 'crappy' photographer, then maybe an Otus is 'crappy' too.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 21, 2014, 03:51:38 PM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

Does anyone remember issues with the 5DII ? Talk about clutching at straws.

I received on of the first 5D MK II's about November 27, and a week or so later, on December 8, reports of a issue from black spots appearing on bright highlights when people shot Christmas lights.  NR normally made them go away, so many did not see them.  I had to review my shots to find one that had them.

On December 15, about two weeks after the first Camera deliveries, Canon announced that they were looking at the issue.  Canon modified the firmware to eliminate them.  On January 9, three weeks later, Canon issues a firmware update to fix them.

So, it took ~ a whole month from initial reports to verify the issue, develop a firmware update, test it and release it.

How many D810 users will have their camera fixed in a month?

I also got my 5DII when it was first released and have never had an issue. Neither have I ever updated the firmware - 'cos I never do  ;)

The 5DII must be remembered as one of the best sorted cameras right from its inception; not a good example to use !

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Lenses / Re: Canon EF24-105mm f4 IS USM time for a refresh?
« on: August 21, 2014, 03:43:57 PM »
The 24 -105 was introduced with the original 5D and that combination made a budget wedding photographers 'kit'. The 105mm focal length went someway to compensate for the dof of an f4 lens so you can still produce some nice shallow dof portraits. I would suggest that for an event like a wedding the 24-105 is a much better lens to use than the 24-70 F4 IS, whereas if you are looking for a sharp landscape lens to use instead of primes, the latter is definitely better - assuming you get one that has been tuned up correctly.

I don't think we will see a mark II because, as has been pointed out, to improve the IQ over that range the increase in cost is going to be prohibitive. Also the mark I is still such a good lens for weddings ! I don't do many, but on one recently I used the 24-105 much of the time, and I was really pleased with the results.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Canon 6D True High ISO King?
« on: August 21, 2014, 02:49:12 PM »
I've always said the image quality from this latest generation of Canon FF cameras is superb, whether high or low ISO. Posts from 'professionals' who criticise the IQ in non demanding situations is a good way of raising blood pressure.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: Nikon D810 Product Advisory
« on: August 21, 2014, 09:24:37 AM »
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Nikon is seriously doomed.

Wouldn't be good for any of us if they were.

I can't help wondering if Sony might buy Nikon from Mitsubishi.

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The moisture obviously is very quick to get in, but takes a lot of time to get out.[/i]

That's the worst part of inadequate sealing. There is an answer though; get an original 5D. The moisture is quick to get in but comes out just as easily  ;)

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 21, 2014, 02:51:49 AM »
Does anyone here remember how long it took Canon to address issues with the 5D Mark II? It definitely wasn't this quick!

Does anyone remember issues with the 5DII ? Talk about clutching at straws.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:37:43 PM »
Oh dear there's going to be terrible anguish, spitting feathers and general sabre rattling if the 7DII doesn't have some sensor fabrication advance similar to the Exmor. But you know I'm not really sure how much pressure there is on Canon to catch up on this. It would seem that 99% of Canon users (generically speaking) are not bothered about that particular aspect of the sensor, including many well respected professionals; certainly judging by sales there are many other features which the buying public seem to want. Certainly the amount of people using variable ISO now surprises me, but on the other hand given the performance of a camera such as the 6D I suppose that shouldn't be surprising. And when using variable ISO who wants their DR to drop by a stop or two between ISO 100 and 800 ?

That is because those who are bothered by it will be/are moving to other manufacturers. If Canon are fine with bleeding off their market base, then sure, they won't care. If all depends on if the assumption that Canon are cool with losing market share to more progressive manufacturers is true or not.

I suspect they are not cool with that happening.

You skipped a step.  No, Canon doesn't want to lose market share.  But...you are assuming they are, in fact, losing market share.  Where is your evidence to support that assumption?   It seems equally if not more likely that those who are bothered by a ~2-stops less low ISO DR and switched from Canon to Nikon are outnumbered by those Nikon users hoping for the true replacement to the D700 that never came, and so bought a 5DIII instead. 

As for 'more progressive manufacturers', your definition of progressive is almost as biased as DxO's Scores.  DPAF...not progressive?  Fluorite elements in supertele lenses, you'd think a progressive company like Nikon would have used them decades ago like Canon did...instead Nikon called them too fragile, only now they're touting the benefits of fluorite in their newest supertele lenses.  Limiting the definitions of 'innovative' and 'progressive' to mean achieving more low ISO DR is typical of the biased DRivel posted by the crew of CR Forum DRones.

In the course of my work I come across a lot of people with cameras, and not many of those are true professionals. Some are just happy snappers, or tourists, or teenagers aspiring to a better camera. The odd one is a highly successful pro who buys £250,000 yachts with loose change ( seriously). ( zigzagzoe's got a long way to go to catch up).

Often these people will chat to me and I'll ask them why they chose Nikon, or Canon or Sony ( 'cos it's always one of these). I've never had one single person say they chose Nikon or Sony because of the extra DR that the sensor offers, or that it has more latitude and can lift shadows by five stops without seeing ugly noise. Not one. Ever.

So although those factors are the number one priority for some, generally very vocal people, and they will move away from Canon, I would suggest they are just a drop in the ocean compared with everyone else. So although I read on CR that Canon is using the same sensor fabrication that Noah had on his Ark, I'm really not sure that Canon are going to see this as a really high priority, especially given the fact that their sales are not declining in relation to Sonikon.

People do have issues with things like trying to focus in movie mode with a dslr for instance, and Canon have done something about that. I've been surprised by the number of 70Ds I've seen given that the camera hasn't been out that long. I would say that the vast amount of casual users are going to appreciate that more than lifting underexposed areas by five stops, and they are the people who are buying most of the cameras.

So what I'm coming round to say is I don't think the 7DII will have a radically different sensor fabrication, and I anticipate the howls of derision that are going to fill these pages from the usual sources.

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Third Party Manufacturers / Re: D810 users are seeing spots
« on: August 20, 2014, 04:08:02 PM »
It is amazing how responsive a company can become once a big market flexes its muscles, Nikon and China, GM and the USA.

I'm on the fence with this one.  Dust with the D600 100% should have been caught in evaluation period before launch.  But finding an issue that only shows up in crop mode + long exposures might be more of the weird lightning bolt of an issue you don't find until you release it to the masses.

- A


I'm not, long exposures and crop mode should be covered in even the most basic field trial testing protocols, what the hell are these guys doing? Not saying Canon is often any better, but come on, this is basic stuff. It might not affect many users actual images, but should easily be noticed with an efficient testing strategy.

I would think it's been rushed to market. Quite a few years ago we sold our digital imaging business to Mitsubishi -the owners of Nikon -  (and then ended up buying it back) so I know how these guys work. Nikon will be under a lot of pressure to increase margins, profitability per unit, farming production out to cheaper countries etc etc. I have no way of knowing but I would guess that a D810 costs less to produce than a 5DIII. Probably not in the D4s / 1Dx range. Seems to me they are trying to get the D8xx into a guise that will increase its appeal. Adding sRaw is a good start. I just cannot believe that Nikon introduced a 36mp camera without a smaller raw option.

Or perhaps it's intentional because the D820 will be out by Christmas.



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1D X Sample Images / Re: Any Thing shot with a 1Dx
« on: August 20, 2014, 07:00:53 AM »
this time it'll be the Autumn Colours, looking forward to it, as long as i can get the wife out of Tokyo & the Shops.

Hmmm, sounds like a trip to Svalbard would be more economic  ;)

Look forward to seeing some of your pictures from Japan.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 19, 2014, 02:11:18 PM »
Oh dear there's going to be terrible anguish, spitting feathers and general sabre rattling if the 7DII doesn't have some sensor fabrication advance similar to the Exmor. But you know I'm not really sure how much pressure there is on Canon to catch up on this. It would seem that 99% of Canon users (generically speaking) are not bothered about that particular aspect of the sensor, including many well respected professionals; certainly judging by sales there are many other features which the buying public seem to want. Certainly the amount of people using variable ISO now surprises me, but on the other hand given the performance of a camera such as the 6D I suppose that shouldn't be surprising. And when using variable ISO who wants their DR to drop by a stop or two between ISO 100 and 800 ?

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 11:10:31 AM »
The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant.

WHAT?

You realize that the best selling Canon camera is the T3.... and that it outsells every other camera Canon makes combined! This is because you can get the camera and lens CHEAP!. Apparently, for the masses, cheap beats IQ hands down...

So somehow a 7D2, probably for $2500 WITHOUT a lens is going to somehow mean that there will be no more demand for a $400 camera with lens, when price seems to be the dominant market force for the masses?

Are you sure of your logic?

You guys just don't know how to deal with a petulant, rather retarded child, do you ?

The 7DII is a big camera that is going to cost-a-lot-of-money, and the xxxD is a little camera that does not cost-as-much-money.

That's not a nice way to talk about Canon's cameras!

Let me put this another way. There's two parts to this.

To me it seems that it is quite likely the next xxxD will have the same sensor as is in the 7DII. If they bring it out before the 7DII then maybe they think it will eat away some of the 7DII sales from the people that have a 7D now and are just looking for a camera that produces better IQ (and not necessarily better fps/AF) whereas if the first camera that 7D owners see with the new sensor is the 7DII then they stand to get more carry over sales from people who see it and say "I WANT!" (or at least that's my thinking, feel free to point out where I'm wrong.) So new sensor in new 7D model, maximise profits from upgraders buying new expensive camera that they may not need but want.

Now had they of released a new xxxD camera a month or two ago with existing sensor technology and then a few months later the 7DII comes along with a new sensor then maybe they're afraid that sales of the xxxD will stall because people will wait for xxx+1D from Canon with the same upgraded sensor tech that is in the 7DII. That would also prevent them from releasing a new xxx+1D that uses the new tech in the 7DII in the first half of 2015 because it would be too soon between models. It won't necessarily matter what is new in the 7DII just that the 7DII will have all the new stuff and people will want the new stuff in cheaper bodies and may delay purchasing decisions because of it.

So a bigger gap between xxxD models (no real problem with sales) so that they can slot in the 7DII and roll forward with whatever new goodies (new DIGIC too?) come in that.

Sound like a reasonable plan or am I just crazy?

The now 18 mp ubiquitous sensor first made its appearance in the 7D. Did this next appear in a xxD or a xxxD ? I'm not sure but my guess is that is was an xxD, perhaps the 60D.

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EOS Bodies / Re: 5D3 No Longer in Production
« on: August 18, 2014, 08:36:43 AM »
The absence of a new lower end APS-C camera (xx0D) makes for interesting speculation that they've held off releasing a new camera because they realise there's no point in making it as the 7DII will make it seem irrelevant.

WHAT?

You realize that the best selling Canon camera is the T3.... and that it outsells every other camera Canon makes combined! This is because you can get the camera and lens CHEAP!. Apparently, for the masses, cheap beats IQ hands down...

So somehow a 7D2, probably for $2500 WITHOUT a lens is going to somehow mean that there will be no more demand for a $400 camera with lens, when price seems to be the dominant market force for the masses?

Are you sure of your logic?

You guys just don't know how to deal with a petulant, rather retarded child, do you ?

The 7DII is a big camera that is going to cost-a-lot-of-money, and the xxxD is a little camera that does not cost-as-much-money.

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Canon General / Re: A Rundown of EOS 7D Mark II Information
« on: August 18, 2014, 06:36:07 AM »
All i care about is images ... And i know, i cannot get such images with the 7D or the EOS-M and also not with a Canon 6D or 5D3 or 1D-X.

Then why do I see similar images from those cameras all the time? Browse a photo sharing site some time.

Well, I have shot myself and seen enough images from all sorts of current Canon EOS cameras ... and NONE of them can deliver these kind of images out of cam / without REALLY HEAVY post processing. 


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