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The Sony sensor is very good, but if you exposure the Canon optimally the difference is generally academic in the vast majority of circumstances. However if you have no understanding of exposure the exmor is better.
However, filter manufacturers sell loads of 1-3 stop GND filters so a couple more stops of dynamic range is useful to a lot people as well, even people who understand exposure, or should I say, especially to people who understand exposure.

Which is fine for photographs with a split horizon, What of trees extending in the darker area of the graduated portion of the frame? I used to be a big GND filter user, but I prefer using a combination of shots to balance exposures across a frame. I don't like GND's because I can usually see the GND graduation in the frame which points to a poor methodology to control the contrast in the first place.

Those people will know that by using a 1-3 stop GND you are able to get more light to the non ND part of the frame, which, depending upon what you are shooting, results in improved data from dark areas whether you are using a 12 or 14 DR capable camera. So you probably have as many Sonikon photographers buying them as Canon.

I agree with you; I don't use GND filters at all since digital has come of age - ie for about the last ten years.

100 seemed to me to be suggesting that the continued production of GND filters is to support those poor souls who still use Canon for landscape photography.

Most of my panoramics are shot in the way you describe, but often I don't need to do this. There is more latitude in these modern Canon sensors than some people give them credit for. Here's a shot out of a window at Bolton Castle in the English Yorkshire Dales, where Mary Queen of Scots was imprisoned by Elizabeth I. It's actually taken from a 'garderobe' ( toilet) L shaped passage, and the only light coming in is from this window. It was taken at mid day with the sun out.

I've shown the original jpeg from RAW with the jpeg picture style applied. Then I've shown the finished picture, and finally for those that like absurdity I've lightened the shadows and brought the sky down to silly levels. Anything blown ? No. FPN ? Only in the few areas where the sensor has recorded zero light, and even then it's not bad.

And this was taken on the 'old' 5DII which is nothing like as good as the 6D in it's latitude and data manipulation.

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The Sony sensor is very good, but if you exposure the Canon optimally the difference is generally academic in the vast majority of circumstances. However if you have no understanding of exposure the exmor is better.
However, filter manufacturers sell loads of 1-3 stop GND filters so a couple more stops of dynamic range is useful to a lot people as well, even people who understand exposure, or should I say, especially to people who understand exposure.

Those people will know that by using a 1-3 stop GND you are able to get more light to the non ND part of the frame, which, depending upon what you are shooting, results in improved data from dark areas whether you are using a 12 or 14 DR capable camera. So you probably have as many Sonikon photographers buying them as Canon. 

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EOS Bodies - For Stills / Re: 6D or 5DM3 need your help guys
« on: June 01, 2014, 03:47:06 AM »
Sounds like the 6D was made for you. Get one or two good lenses with the cash you'll have left.

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Sporgon shooting panoramics of waterfalls in the English Yorkshire Dales after some good old traditional English torrential summer rain.

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Canon makes cameras that are "good enough" for many pro's, and more than good enough for most consumers and enthusiasts.  Their biggest benefit is they are easy to use and produce decent results, and the common folk like that.
The rest of us buy the "good stuff" from the others, for whom I'm thankful for their continued existence.

Aglet; I hope your day job's a stand up comic. Don't pretend to know the first thing about what real 'pros' do or don't need.

Despite the mighty exmor sensor and 36 mp Sony have failed to meet Canon ( and Nikon ) head on in DSLR sales, the DSLR still being by far the most versatile camera system, and this is rather irrefutable evidence that it takes more than a good sensor and high mp to make a winning system.

Or is it just that the sensor they are trying to compete against isn't that bad ?

Ah yes, it's because mirrorless is the way forward, and Sony are in the lead - if you ignore the likes of Fuji and such - and ignore the fact most people still want the 'flappy' mirror.......

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It seems that many people are interested in film in part because it captures light with a similar range to the human eye.  Between that, the wide utilization of RAW, and just the general issue of needing HDR or some other technique to balance many scenes, why isn't Canon focusing some efforts on creating sensors able to capture at least closer to the 24 stops the human eye can see?

Film never had the dynamic range that you imagine.  Film was very far from the human eye — and that was part of its charm.  In any event, we don't know what Canon is working on.

Exactly. Where did this come from ? Talk about seeing the past through Rose tinted spectacles !

So much rubbish about what the 'eye can see'. That's like saying your camera lens gives better DR than another. The brain sees, so you could say we see in a form of HDR, or multiple exposures, as someone pointed out, rather than one single exposure.

If you produced a picture with the same contrast as we 'see' it would be very flat and unappealing. Even old artists added contrast in their paintings, often giving very dark, heavy shadows.

The Sony sensor is very good, but if you exposure the Canon optimally the difference is generally academic in the vast majority of circumstances. However if you have no understanding of exposure the exmor is better.

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Excuse my ignorance Guys, what's FPN ?? Sometimes I think I was born in the wrong Century.


Fixed Pattern Noise.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-pattern_noise

https://www.google.com/search?q=fixed+pattern+noise&client=firefox-a&hs=swr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pdOHU5PUF9axsATk4YDIBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1905&bih=1056

Some say Canon sensors are unusable because of how much worse they are with FPN than Nikon/Sony sensors.


Oh ! Ok, Thanks Private.

Nor sure I'de agree with what "some" say, but what the hell do I know, didn't even know Canon had an issue with "FPN", I thought maybe FPN meant "Foul Play Nikon", a play on the D600/D610 fiasco, I guess I got that wrong.


PBD was being sarcastic about FPN, or at least the opposite of facetious, whatever that is. Under expose the Canon sensor by five stops or take a picture with the lens cap on and you get more noise than with an exmor sensor. Oh Horror !

I was up in the English Yorkshire Dales for a few days earlier this week taking panoramics of the waterfalls. Yes I can now stitch water ! Shot some of them as a 75 x 100 format at about 180 mp. The depth and resolution is amazing, but this comes from the large format rather than the mp. Puts 36 mp on 24 x 36 format in perspective. I'll post some of them when I have finished them.

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EOS Bodies / Re: Debating on selling my 5D II and 35L/135L for a...
« on: May 26, 2014, 10:53:07 AM »
Don't underestimate just how much smaller and lighter a 6D with compact lenses is compared with your 5DII combo. The new 24-70 IS + the 6D makes a highly versatile and compact package. Put lenses such as the excellent 40 pancake on and you are as light and nimble as a 'mirrorless'.

Given your sentiments you're making hard work of it with a 5D + grip + 135L.

If you think your images are AMAZING now just wait till you've tried the 6D - especially in the dark  ;)

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Animal Kingdom / Re: Your best animal shots!
« on: May 25, 2014, 05:19:44 AM »
Aren't they considered the most dangerous animals on the continent?
How close were you?

I'm sure I read somewhere that Hippos were responsible for more human deaths than all the other animals in Africa put together - or maybe I was reading Wilbur Smith  ;)

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Technical Support / Re: 5d3 Buttons not working
« on: May 24, 2014, 05:01:43 PM »
Dry it out with your preferred method, battery out. Canon's 'weather sealing' on all it's bodies bar the 1 series seems to be quite useless.

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Landscape / Re: Mountains, Lakes and Rivers
« on: May 24, 2014, 04:39:53 PM »
Otterbeild Bay, Derwent Water in the English Lake District. Taken in the usual rain, mist and drizzel using some old gear: the original 5D + the original EF 20-35 f2.8 L from 1988

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Nikon did (with help from Sony), and the Canon model in the same price bracket sells better.  You can ignore the realities of the market if you want, Canon will not.  There's your 'why' right there.

Thats a very simplified view of "market". 

If you want to see the 'market' look at the used availability and values. In the UK at least there are more D800 s for sale than 5DIII s, and cheaper to boot. That says it all really.

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The cheapest modern medium format back is worth 20k for 40-50MPx resolution, so the idea of getting 36 Mpx for 1/10th of the cost makes perfect sense.

Does it ? As someone who has used medium and large format film you must know that these mediums were not just about more resolution; there are significant benefits from the much larger format - as well as some disadvantages of course. With digital we are not even getting the same size of medium format !

My own feeling regarding the answer to this thread is that Canon are probably of the opinion that if you really require more than 24 mp you require a larger format to make it worthwhile. I'm also sure their market research guys will have an accurate handle on the general response to the D800, and that has only confirmed this view.

I'm also amazed that Nikon produced a 36 mp camera without any way of having access to raw data in a smaller file form. I know that sRAW etc are generally not at all popular on CR, but for people coming away from an event with over 1000 frames, that are not likely to be produced very big anyway but will require editing, the smaller files are very welcome - and that's on 22 mp never mind 36.


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I don't think the sentiment expressed here on CR is representative of the overall market - at least here in the UK.

Going by professional dealerships - not just the likes of ebay - used Nikon D700 are selling for the same price as the much more modern 24 mp D600. That's 12 mp to 24 mp. There are a surprising amount of used D800 for sale, and perhaps not a surprising amount of D600 - given the oil splatter issue. 

From a practical point of view, what I'm seeing so far is that if you really need to be over about 24 mp you need to be on a larger format.

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6D Sample Images / Re: Anything shot with a 6D
« on: May 24, 2014, 06:30:19 AM »
A portrait of a fashion blogger from Riga (you probably have no clue where that is, but that's where I live. it's in Europe) Sigma 35 Art again.

Riga: capital of Latvia; home to at least 25% of the most beautiful girls on the planet - all in one little place !

Really like the first shot of the girl in white. Don't like the light spot on the nose of this girl.

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