Big Megapixel Camera in 2014

[jrista]

I think it will be high frame rate because high frame rate is what Canon does better than anyone else. I have also been poring over Canon patents for the last month, and they seem to have quite a number of parallel readout and parallel pixel processing patents for high speed readout of high megapixel count sensors. Canon has also prototyped a 120mp sensor with a 9.5fps readout rate using some combination of block and row/column parallel readout and on-die image processing.

I see no reason why that technology could not be applied to a "measly" 30-40mp FF sensor to achieve at least 6-8fps. I also see no reason why ISO range would have to suffer. High ISO capabilities are not mutually exclusive with low ISO capabilities. On the contrary, high ISO is limited by physics, while low ISO is limited by electronic noise sources. Canons maximum well capacity is already more than high enough to fully exploit 14 bit data, as well as fully exploit 16 bit data...the only thing in the way is their high read noise. That could be solved with a parallel digital readout approach that applies digital noise reduction similar to Sony. If Canon solves the noise problem, they could easily have both quality high and quality low ISO performance.

Doubt it. Actually 5d3's data throughput is lower than d800's or 7d's and on par with d600's. 6D's is on par with the rebels!
Oh Canon surely can do FPS better than anyone..., but its reserved for the top dog only as is a bunch of other features.

Well, I am not saying they would let the 7D II pound out 30fps. I figure it will be in the 8-10fps range at 24-25mp range. My hope is that it will be 8-10fps with better IQ at both low and high ISO...but that is just my hope. The 1D X definitely has better noise characteristics compared to the others, and it does not seem to exhibit the oscillating +/- 1/3rd stop ISO quirk (which is a big improvement IMO). It does, however, still have the low ISO DR issue, and while its noise characteristics are better than the rest, it does still have over 38 electrons worth of read noise at low ISO settings, which is actually higher than the 5D III.

(I am not sure why it works that way, but whatever the core, common, fundamental design factors of Canon's 500nm process are, it causes a non-linear read noise issue in all of their sensors (basically, read noise climbs from a floor around two electrons worth at high ISO to between 10 to 40 electrons worth at low ISO. Sony Exmor sensors effectively have a flat, linear noise curve. I'm hoping a move to 180nm process will allow Canon to solve those issues.)

[meli]

24mp x 10fps would require 1dx's pipeline so its highly unlikely, even 24x8 would be kinda farfetched but it might be forced if the competition steps up. That would drive the whole APS pro category to 2K pricerange across the brands and the signs sofar from both camps point to a more conservative generation, i guess we'll see..

[Jackson_Bill]

See my visual examples of the difference between good glass (EF 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 L IS) vs. excellent glass (EF 500mm f/4 L II IS + 1.4x TC) in the quote below of one of my previous posts on another thread. There are significant differences between good glass and excellent glass when the 7D (or for that matter any one of Canon's 18mp cameras) are involved.

I agree that a great lens takes better photos than a good lens, no question. However, my point was that I don't see why people say that the high MP FF requires a new line of lenses when the existing lenses (including the 500 f4, no II) work well on the 7D, which has the same pixel density as the new high MP FF is rumored to have.  I expect that the 5D iii, or in fact any relatively recent FF, would show the same thing.
I don't think these photos relate to the difference in MP (or I should say pixel density) of the camera. They show the difference between the lenses but they don't really say anything about the camera. We'd need the same subject, different distance?, and same lens with a 5D and a 7D to see the difference, right?
Great shots of the orange morph finch btw.

[jrista]

24mp x 10fps would require 1dx's pipeline so its highly unlikely, even 24x8 would be kinda farfetched but it might be forced if the competition steps up. That would drive the whole APS pro category to 2K pricerange across the brands and the signs sofar from both camps point to a more conservative generation, i guess we'll see..

Based on the interview of Maeda, I don't believe that he stated APS-C was going away. On the contrary, he explicitly stated they were indeed producing the successor to the 7D. As for the 7D II using the 1D X "pipeline"...why not? The 7D basically uses the 1D IV pipeline, with dual DIGIC chips and all that, with a higher resolution sensor. I don't really see the difference between the 18mp 7D/16mp 1D IV and a hypothetical 24mp 7D II/18mp 1D X scenario.

[pedro]

A faster update? One suggestion from a known source is that Canon has loose plans to replace and/or update the EOS 5D Mark III quicker than the previous iterations.

Speculation:  The 7DII will have newer sensor technology.  The 6D has lower read noise than the 5DIII and the 1Dx has lower read noise than the 6D.  If the 7DII is even better, then the 5DIII will be looking very dated compared to the rest of the lineup in this area.  So they might want to put out a 5DIIIn or something with just a sensor update.

5DIIIn sounds intresting. So based on that tech the next "regular" replacement could benefit from an even more advanced sensor tech by sometime 2018. I wonder how much the initial price tag will rise related to these improvements compared to the 3.5k they asked for the original" 5D3... Uh, but anyway the 5D3 will remain a very nice camera, did some low light AF tests yesterday and it was very snappy even at distant nightlights and some falling snow!

[charlesa]

All I know is how long will be waiting and waiting without actually being out there capturing frames? I bought a cheap second hand 1Ds III and just went off. If such a body appears in 2014, I will consider it for architectural and landscape work, till then, happy shooting away.

[Bruce Photography]

Looking forward to the high mega pixel body

Me too!  I would love to be able to use my Canon lenses again.  Meanwhile I thinking of buying my second D800E.  I just love that camera.  I'm thinking of selling my D800 - any interest?

[ddashti]

It's good to know that the probability of a 7D Mark II being released is increasing, but the possible replacement of the 5D Mark III? That would just upset many people.

[c.d.embrey]

Two things.

1. APS-C cameras are Canon's profit center. Why does Canon refuse to support these customers with new EF-S primes. I own a EF-S 10-22mm, but would buy 10mm (16mmFF), 17mm (27mmFF) and 22mm (36mmFF) if they were available at f/1.4 or f/1.8.

2. I'm much more likely to buy a 31 megapixel Medium Format Digital than a 40 megapixel Canon.

[RS2021]

I know we have camps here on whether our current lens resolutions are adquate to meet 40+ MP.

Some of the superteles that were recently redesigned were done with that thought at the forefront of their mind and will do well with the higher resolution sensors. More recent version "II" zooms including the 24-70 II and 70-200 II ... will be fine.

I am not so sure about some of the older legacy L's, let alone consumer EF's.

I am not saying every single one of the older lenses lag behind, I think most do. I think 135L will be fine, but certainly 35L, 50L, and sadly perhaps even the somewhat recent 24L II will not fare so well on high MP sensors.

So it is good to see the acknowledgement in the CR post (if it is truly from Canon) that some of their lenses will have to be updated to meet the high MP sensor demands.

Again, I know some feel most key lenses out-resolve planned sensors... I feel only on paper is such a contention true. Canon will quietly start upgrading their key primes...35L II and some form of 50mm are probably imminent.

[Canon-F1]

2. I'm much more likely to buy a 31 megapixel Medium Format Digital than a 40 megapixel Canon.

well some people are happy with just one AF point and the "speed" of a MF camera.
if you are soley a studio shooter MF is maybe the way to go anyway.

others would love a speedy (relative) 30-45 MP DSLR with a great autofocus system.

[Arturo Sánchez]

+1 because the actual model is the S___

Gimme my 45mm TS-E L !!!

[Arturo Sánchez]

I hope that Canon could create a better sensor with more and more usable dynamic range.

With Nikon when you recover the shadows from a contrasty RAW file you don't get an annoying banding like in Canon,you guys should have a look at this example taken with the Nikon D800:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/photographyforrealestate/discuss/72157629365755068/

[armando]

please put in an EVF

[c.d.embrey]

well some people are happy with just one AF point and the "speed" of a MF camera.
if you are soley a studio shooter MF is maybe the way to go anyway.

For studio table-top I use either a Canon 1Ds2 or a Canon 5D2. For full page magazine ads either works well.

others would love a speedy (relative) 30-45 MP DSLR with a great autofocus system.

And I'd love a 16 megapixel APS-C camera with a sensor equal to or better than a Sony DX chip Different stroles for different folks