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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »
Bad idea given what you list in the OP...As a kid I was obsessed with telescopes... would look up 10" equatorial mount models in the 10K range with computer drives (at that time, rather new) and make elaborate plans as to how I will get it... with that kind of dedicated obsession and math skills, I could have easily solved our economy problems in the US in a day. :)

Couldn't drive a car or see over the dash at that time for that matter... looking back I laugh.

Though you are not a kid, your situation is not that removed from what I was doing... just the details are different. Infatuations pass.

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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 11:35:19 AM »

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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 11:56:16 AM »
Some just get lucky and find a very cheap second-hand 400 mm version I a rich amateur could not use properly!

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« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 12:27:42 PM »
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There are more stupid ways of spending €250 per year I guess (smoking for example  ::)).

depends on what you are smoking....

rent it first to see if it really fits your needs. if it does, then go for it.

i'm guessing there is no woman in your life, this type of venture seems indicative to a single persons lifestyle. :)
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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2013, 01:29:41 PM »
Put that €9500 into a down payment on a house -- a modest house, but one you'll be happy living in for a long time.

Just had to reply to this as it really put a smile on my face... I live in the bay area, San Francisco in the USA. €9500 won't buy you a door to a shack here  :'(
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« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2013, 02:34:34 PM »
Rent it.  Seriously.  And be sure to include the damage insurance.  Then rent a 300/2.8IS and 1.4x and 2x TC's.   Maybe even the 100-400 also.  Then sit down with your favorite adult beverage and have an honest conversation with yourself.

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« Reply #20 on: February 07, 2013, 03:45:37 PM »
go out and shoot instead of wanking over gear. :)

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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 03:51:52 PM »
Rent one like others are saying and you'll see for yourself. The lens is awesome, but it's also very heavy, will sway in ANY wind, becomes a target for vandalism or theft and requires a very stable tripod. Oh, and it's $13,000 dollars. Now if you are the person who won the Powerball last night, go for it. The thing takes awesome pictures and you'll be surprised at it's IS capabilities. Lug it around for a while and you'll have arms like Popeye!  ;D
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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #21 on: February 07, 2013, 03:51:52 PM »

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« Reply #22 on: February 07, 2013, 03:52:30 PM »
Let me quote an important American who has become an internet sensation recently... I am sorry this will be lost on our euro friends...

"Aint nobody got time for that!!!"   ::)
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« Reply #23 on: February 07, 2013, 06:07:36 PM »
To the OP:  The 500 f/4 is a birding lens.  Are birds the primary wildlife you like to shoot?  I've rented the version 1; the 300 f/4 IS; the 400 f/5.6; and the 200 f/2.  If you want to shoot in low light, get an f/2.8 or faster lens.  I wound up with usable results of nearly 1 second exposure (of a non-animal target), on a monopod...with the 200 f/2, and a crop camera.  It's IS is out of this world.  It's sharpness is extremely high.  It's contrast is extremely high.  It's color rendition and spectrum, are beyond that of the 85mm f/1.2L "magic canonball" (which is saying something).

The 200 f/2 is the one I would buy, and use it with TC's, if I was limiting myself to Canon.  If cost was no object, then the new version 2 of the 400 f/2.8, is the best overall choice of all the superteles, in my opinion (unless you absolutely do not need the reach of 400mm or more).

The yet-to-be-released Sigma 120-300 f/2.8 OS zoom, is said to have two fluorite elements, where the 2011 version had none.  It is half the price of the Canon 200 f/2, and less than a third the price of Canon's longer, newer superteles.  I plan to rent it soon after the rental place gets some.  It's not white, so if that is all you care about, I doubt you will even consider trying one.  Snob appeal isn't what makes great photographers, though.

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« Reply #24 on: February 07, 2013, 07:24:59 PM »
go all out, it won't stop your addiction

- get the car
- work harder
- get the 600mm II
- if your really want, get the 800mm II

get the 1.4x iii

i don't have anything over 200mm f2

i want it though but wildlife isn't for me, no time to go that far

good luck, this addiction is a good thing, better than spending on something else
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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2013, 03:11:59 AM »
Now those are some interesting responds, THANK YOU - much appreciated!

A quick summary and a few comments on what I have read so far:

- Get the 400 f4 DO: I don’t particularly like that lens: It’s big, it’s heavy, it’s also very expensive, and IQ is not up to the 500 (by far as I hear).

- Get the 100-400: I don’t need the 100-399 part so I don’t want a zoom. Besides it’s still rather big, it’s not light either and IQ is not anywhere in the same League than the 500. 400 f5,6 L would be the only “alternative” but 400 is rather short e.g. for birds and lacks IS.

- Get the 300 2.8 2: This would be a great lens without any doubt but I had a cheap 300mm and it is still too short for what I’m planning to do with it. So I would probably only use it with the 1,4x or the 2x – and doing so is not optimal.

- Get the 200 2: I have a 200. 200 is waaaaaaaaaaaay to short. I would use it with 2x exclusively and it would still be short so what’s the point?

- Get the 500 4 1: This one is too heavy. I’d rather spend more and have a more usable lens. Besides IS is better on the V2 and I plan to use it handheld so that is important to me.

- Get the 400mm 2.8 1: Are you serious? I’m not Hercules’ bigger brother!

- Use the money to buy a house / retirement fund etc.: Honestly thanks for the advice! But there are still probably 40 years left till retirement and I think it is not so likely that I will see any of the money spent again (you know economic crisis, climate change etc.). Besides we have a very good social system here in Austria. I was looking into buying a flat about a year ago but that is somewhere in the region of €300k-€400k and I do not want to lose the freedom of going anywhere I want in a couple of years. But that’s a little off topic anyways.

- Safety and Security concerns: If the lens gets stolen from my home or my home burns down the lens would be covered by insurance. If I take it out I’m on my own. The danger of damaging it in a bicycle accident (although those are extremely rare and the lens has very good impact resistance) is a real concern – thanks for that hint. Getting robbed or something like that is highly unlikely where I live since crime rates are very, very low and people are not allowed to have handguns or anything - so that is not a real concern. Although I would have to think twice to travel abroad with it, for that reason.

- Renting: Well, this would be a nice thing but I do not have really a possibility to do so here. There are some shops that rent but I couldn’t find one that rents superteles.

Let me quote an important American who has become an internet sensation recently... I am sorry this will be lost on our euro friends...

"Aint nobody got time for that!!!"   ::)
I know the “song” but I have no idea what you mean.

i'm guessing there is no woman in your life, this type of venture seems indicative to a single persons lifestyle. :)
LOL! Well, you guessed wrong! And the funniest thing is: My girlfriend totally approves this lens. If it was for her I would already have it - she even offered to pay for it! I know I'm a lucky sob...


In conclusion I am a little surprised that nearly everyone said that I shouldn’t do it. Well, I guess you are right. So my alternatives at this point are:

- getting the 400mm 5,6 (don’t think so)
- waiting for the rumored 400mm f4 (non DO) that will probably be announced this year (and then use it with 1,4x most of the time)
- forgetting about wildlife and continue to make macro shots and a few landscape and night shots in between

I will sleep a few nights over it.
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Re: I can't stop thinking about A MONSTER!
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2013, 04:26:02 AM »
Hi,
have a look here: http://www.digitalkameraverleih.com/
The rent lenses in Austria, but sadly don't have the supertele ones. You could rent a Canon EF 300mm f/2,8 L IS II USM with 2,4 KG, just that you get a feeling of the weight :)
I recently bought an old 400mm Sigma lens (around 1,5 KG) and already that is quite heavy to carry around and make wildlife pictures.
But if you get it, much fun with it! :)

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« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2013, 05:19:20 AM »
If reach is this critical to you, I strongly suggest you pick up a 7D or wait for the 7DII
A 300 f2.8 IS FoV on APS-C = 480mm

It'd be $$$ smart + leagues more portable.
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« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2013, 05:33:23 AM »
If reach is this critical to you, I strongly suggest you pick up a 7D or wait for the 7DII
A 300 f2.8 IS FoV on APS-C = 480mm

It'd be $$$ smart + leagues more portable.
My ¢¢

Oh please! Don't start another "FF vs APS-C" war! Before giving advice like that, did you read what's said in this thread? (Quote below)

I'm curious - you like the 7D for the 'reach' and 'pixels on target' especially with a supertele, but have you tested a 1D X or 5DIII along side the 7D in the same scenarios?  I ask because in many cases, empirical reality trumps theory.  Case in point are some tests from AlanF.  Some time back, he posted some real-world testing of the 7D (and note - only the 7D), and came to the conclusion that, "It doesn’t matter how superior the 5D III is than the 7D, the laws of optics and information theory dictate that at 9 m you can resolve the barbs of feathers on a 7 D but you see a blur with the 5D using a 600mm lens."  That conclusion sounds quite consistent with your comments. 

Subesquently, Alan got himself a 5DIII and actually tested it along side the 7D - he concluded, "... the 5D III is just about as good for detail as the 7D (now my back up) and has all the advantages of much better focussing and lower noise," and also stated, "...in practice the higher IQ and lower noise of the 5D III more than makes up for the loss of crop factor."

Personally, I had planned on keeping my 7D even after getting  the 1D X, for the (supposed) 'reach advantage' in focal length-limited situations.  In practice, I came to the same conclusion as AlanF, and my 7D has been a very nice paperweight (ok, that was a little harsh...let's say, a very nice backup camera  ;) ).
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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2013, 06:03:03 AM »
Oh please! Don't start another "FF vs APS-C" war! Before giving advice like that, did you read what's said in this thread? (Quote below)

Hahahaha! Then let me adjust my statement!
If reach is this critical to you, I strongly suggest you pick up a 7D or wait for the 7DII.
If they throw in a couple more MP and improve the high ISO noise & AF the way I imagine they will, cropping down a FF to match the FoV won't be as neck and neck.

And heaven forgive me if this turns into another bloodbath of a debate.
I just APS-C FoV, and do not find cropping every image to be a realistic alternative.
I acknowledge that I may be in a distinct minority here.
What can I say? I'm a Rebel.

... which has a very different connotation here. Hahaha

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« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2013, 06:03:03 AM »