No Finalized 5D Mark III Yet [CR2]

[Canon Rumors]

A camera for 2012? Apparently the 5D Mark III is not yet a finalized product and there are still 2 decisions to be made before the product is ready for consumption.

1. Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.
2. A camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D

It was also mentioned the still and video teams within Canon is very much separate and there is no overlap between the two departments. There could be some internal shakeup soon in that regard.

Do not expect a new 1D/1Ds camera to advance video functionality all that much.

February 2012 would be the earliest for an announcement that will address the 5D line.

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5D Mark II for $2499 at B&H

[neuroanatomist]

You mean the 5DIII won't be released before the 1DsIV?  Shocking, simply shocking.   

It was also mentioned the still and video teams within Canon is very much separate and there is no overlap between the two departments.

Does this refer to the dSLR group vs. the camcorder group? Presumably, the dSLR group is concerned with video for that product line. 

February 2012 would be the earliest for an announcement that will address the 5D line.

So, everyone who said, "I'm not getting a 5DII because the 5DIII is coming out soon," keep on waiting.  Because as we all know, vaporware cameras take wonderful pictures, don't they?

[Peter Canon]

So glad I stopped waiting and got a 7D a month back to take pictures of my new baby.

[Gothmoth]

1.Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.

that will not happen and everyone who is spreading such a rumor has no clue how things at canon work.

[Bob Howland]

You mean the 5DIII won't be released before the 1DsIV?  Shocking, simply shocking.   

What if there never is a 1Ds4 but there is a merged 1D5 (FF 28MP @ 6FPS with internal cropping to APS-H @10FPS, $5500) introduced in about a month, is your prediction right or wrong? And what exactly is a 5D3? Even Canon doesn't seem to know. What if Canon introduces a $3000 FF 16-20MP Lord of Darkness camera simultaneously with the 1D5?

I'm less critical than I may sound but, if you're going to make predictions, please make them with enough detail that we can determine if they're right or wrong.

[WarStreet]

1. Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.

On my opinion, the advantage of video in DSLR is the ability to use the FF DSLR technology to add video as a 'free' bonus. Creating a 5D version with video as a priority sounds odd. Why 5D ? Why not a specialised video camera with FF sensor and EF lens compatibility ? I think the rumor is false and that it is just a guess, not from a real informed person.

2. A camera between the 5D Mark III and 1D

This makes much more sense, resolution / speed priority

[willhuff.net]

This is actually good news for me because I just bought a 7D last night as a backup body, and I wasn't happy about it because I wanted to use those funds towards a new FF body. Now I know that's going to be quite a ways off.

[bikersbeard]

febuary at the earliest... more like next summer then...

[awinphoto]

You mean the 5DIII won't be released before the 1DsIV?  Shocking, simply shocking.   

What if there never is a 1Ds4 but there is a merged 1D5 (FF 28MP @ 6FPS with internal cropping to APS-H @10FPS, $5500) introduced in about a month, is your prediction right or wrong? And what exactly is a 5D3? Even Canon doesn't seem to know. What if Canon introduces a $3000 FF 16-20MP Lord of Darkness camera simultaneously with the 1D5?

I'm less critical than I may sound but, if you're going to make predictions, please make them with enough detail that we can determine if they're right or wrong.

Then again CR never claimed a new flagship was coming soon period, just that the 5D MIII wont be until feb... So maybe the 5D  still will be released before the 1ds.     The only hint about the 1ds was it was removed from the website... didn't that happen some time last year and then reappeared a few days later?

[awinphoto]

February 2012 would be the earliest for an announcement that will address the 5D line.

So, everyone who said, "I'm not getting a 5DII because the 5DIII is coming out soon," keep on waiting.  Because as we all know, vaporware cameras take wonderful pictures, don't they?

I can wait with what I got... I still dont want/need to buy the 5DII yet.  Now if i didn't have CPS then it could force my hand in the purchase but until then, I can wait.  As long as my clients are happy with my work so far. 

[c-law]

You mean the 5DIII won't be released before the 1DsIV?  Shocking, simply shocking.   

What if there never is a 1Ds4 but there is a merged 1D5 (FF 28MP @ 6FPS with internal cropping to APS-H @10FPS, $5500) introduced in about a month, is your prediction right or wrong? And what exactly is a 5D3? Even Canon doesn't seem to know. What if Canon introduces a $3000 FF 16-20MP Lord of Darkness camera simultaneously with the 1D5?

I'm less critical than I may sound but, if you're going to make predictions, please make them with enough detail that we can determine if they're right or wrong.

In my mind, a 1Ds is any big bodied, built like a tank model with FF, high megapixels and top AF. A 1D would be the same body but high FPS instead of high MP. Usually this is gained at the expense of sensor size. If they release the merged camera and call it a 1D, then whichever name they decided to call it, it'd still be a 1DsIV and a 1DV if it met both those needs.

Chris

[x-vision]

1.Split the 5D line into a still camera and an advanced video feature camera.

that will not happen and everyone who is spreading such a rumor has no clue how things at canon work.

Exactly !!!

The 5D-split rumor first surfaced some time ago but now has been taken to the next level.
Canon is now presented as being strong but confused - wondering what to do with (the success of) the 5DII.

Give me a break, please.

The 1DV, 5DIII, and 7DII have been carefully planned long time ago.
No inside knowledge is needed to understand that - just simple understanding of marketing and product positioning.

[Sherwin]

With a very aggressive Sony standing by,  and Nikon with major release by the end of August, I don't think things look good for Canon at this moment. They are falling behind of their competitors. We have been talking about those baby steps Canon made in the past. For example, if we take 30D 40D 50D 60D into consideration, could you think of anything as innovative as, say, semi-translucent mirror or EVF? As one of the poster said, Canon's goal is to make money. It is a valid goal for any corporation. Though I would expect the company will make innovation and bring new, better product to the market to get customers willing to pay the price, in time. I hope both Sony and Nikon bring out good product in the near future so that Canon could start to feel the pressure, if they have not yet. 

[x-vision]

OK, how do things work at Canon?

By all accounts, Canon is a well managed corporation with a very good understanding of their market.

The whole idea of splitting the 5D into separate stills and video models is just silly.
It's a wet dream from someone who bought a 5DII instead of a RED - and quickly realized the shortcomings of a DSLR for film/video.

If Canon is to ever target the RED market, they will have a proper RED competitor, not a 5DII clone.
The catch is, this will not be a $2,500 model as the wet-dreamer hopes. Try $10,000 or maybe even $20,000.

Such a model will also come from the video division and will have an adapter for EF lenses.
That's how things work at well managed corporations with a very good understanding of their market.

[neuroanatomist]

I don't think things look good for Canon at this moment. They are falling behind of their competitors.

For dSLRs, Canon has 44.5 percent of the market share, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent and Sony with 11.9 percent (link).  Including the PowerShot line, Canon is the #1 manufacturer of cameras in the world.  How exactly are they falling behind?