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Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2013, 06:21:47 PM »
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We’re told a “surprise” announcement will be made by Canon in July, what that is we’re unsure. However, the source alluded to it being a camera body. I wouldn’t call the EOS 70D a “surprise”, but we’ll see. Could it be…….. something else?

Lets see...
* Canon announces RAW video in official firmware
* Canon announces 4k video in official firmware for 1DX/5DIII with some special add on device
* Canon announces a m4/3 camera plus lenses
* Canon announces a new EOS-M series camera that is radically different
* Canon announces a DSLR wither either hybrid or pure EVF
* Canon announces a DSLR that is modeled on the Ricoh GX-R with a plugable sensor/CPU module
* Canon announces a 70D with the autofocus from the 5DIII
* Canon announces a new APS-H DSLR (not likely)

... other ideas?

It could only be the Canon PowerShot N mkll...

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Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2013, 06:21:47 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2013, 06:37:16 PM »
sold and sold, nokia sold their telephones, and now we know whats happens, you and Jrista are so  indoctrinated so you can not keep apart what is discussed, why are no Canon sensor at the top 10 in DXO  ranking and start at 17e place?

Oh, we can tell the difference. But, DxO Scores have no relevance to camera sales.

Yes, we know about Nokia.  So come back after Canon drops to the bottom of the market share rankings.  In the meantime, there's nothing to show that's what is going to happen, nothing to show that Nikon/Sony/et al., are beating Canon where it counts (selling cameras), and thus nothing to show that all this babble about sensors and DR has any meaningful impact on the bottom line - camera sales. 

Fortunately for Canon, their customer base is just a little bit bigger than you and the rest of the minuscule group of DR-obsessed forum jockeys.  ;)
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Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2013, 06:50:03 PM »
This makes me feel better… I just bought a 5D3 because I couldn't wait. And i don't really want to buy another new camera. :P Though, I can't wait to see a new 7D!

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« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2013, 07:34:55 PM »
The biggest surprise I've seen from Canon (or anyone else for that matter) in the last several years was the SX50. Everything else from everyone else seems to have been incremental improvements. The surprise is that they could make a 50X superzoom that works reasonably well... I thought that 30X was pushing it... had tried out several, and hated them. The SX50 works quite well in good light and in the right conditions outperforms lens/body combos that cost 20 times as much.

A bit better AF performance, a bit better ISO, a bit better noise, wifi, gps, a few more megapixels.... none of that will be a surprise. We all know that it will eventually happen. A surprise is something unexpected.

Perhaps a "surprise announcement" will come in the form of a mirrorless camera that takes EF lenses....
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2013, 07:45:25 PM »
Neuro, you have a habit to answer with sails

Sales drive revenue. Revenue drives profit. Profit is a major driver of share price and shareholder value.  Share price and shareholder value determine whether a public company thrives, survives, or fails.

Betamax was better quality than VHS.  VHS sold better. Betamax failed and was abandoned.
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Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« Reply #20 on: May 16, 2013, 07:54:04 PM »
Neuro, you have a habit to answer with sails,

Not to be picky here.... but I doubt that Canoe will ever be number one in "sails"..... they make consumer electronics, not boats.....
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« Reply #21 on: May 16, 2013, 08:10:01 PM »
The biggest surprise I've seen from Canon (or anyone else for that matter) in the last several years was the SX50. Everything else from everyone else seems to have been incremental improvements. The surprise is that they could make a 50X superzoom that works reasonably well... I thought that 30X was pushing it... had tried out several, and hated them. The SX50 works quite well in good light and in the right conditions outperforms lens/body combos that cost 20 times as much.

A bit better AF performance, a bit better ISO, a bit better noise, wifi, gps, a few more megapixels.... none of that will be a surprise. We all know that it will eventually happen. A surprise is something unexpected.

Perhaps a "surprise announcement" will come in the form of a mirrorless camera that takes EF lenses....

I think the Sony DSC-RX100 is a remarkable evolution of the point & shoot crowd. Too bad it rarely goes on sail.

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« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2013, 08:18:39 PM »

Sales drive revenue. Revenue drives profit. Profit is a major driver of share price and shareholder value.  Share price and shareholder value determine whether a public company thrives, survives, or fails.

Betamax was better quality than VHS.  VHS sold better. Betamax failed and was abandoned.

On a more DSLR related note, Olympus came out with 4/3 format. It was going to be a worldwide standard. Many things about thier cameras were ahead of what the Canon and Nikon crop bodies offered at the time. They had beter user interface, beter weatherproofing, arguably better sensor performance, and faster autofocusing..... and where is it now? ( 4/3... not micro 4/3 ).  Sales sucked, product not stocked by retail stores, death spiral, gone.
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« Reply #23 on: May 16, 2013, 09:14:14 PM »

Sales drive revenue. Revenue drives profit. Profit is a major driver of share price and shareholder value.  Share price and shareholder value determine whether a public company thrives, survives, or fails.

Betamax was better quality than VHS.  VHS sold better. Betamax failed and was abandoned.

On a more DSLR related note, Olympus came out with 4/3 format. It was going to be a worldwide standard. Many things about thier cameras were ahead of what the Canon and Nikon crop bodies offered at the time. They had beter user interface, beter weatherproofing, arguably better sensor performance, and faster autofocusing..... and where is it now? ( 4/3... not micro 4/3 ).  Sales sucked, product not stocked by retail stores, death spiral, gone.

Well, the Olympus E5 got a DxOMark Overall Score of only 56.  That must be why it didn't sell.  ::)
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« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2013, 09:16:58 PM »
Neuro, you have a habit to answer with sails,

Not to be picky here.... but I doubt that Canoe will ever be number one in "sails"..... they make consumer electronics, not boats.....

You even threw in the word "Canoe" for the icing on the cake!  Well done.

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« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2013, 09:41:26 PM »

Sales drive revenue. Revenue drives profit. Profit is a major driver of share price and shareholder value.  Share price and shareholder value determine whether a public company thrives, survives, or fails.

Betamax was better quality than VHS.  VHS sold better. Betamax failed and was abandoned.

On a more DSLR related note, Olympus came out with 4/3 format. It was going to be a worldwide standard. Many things about thier cameras were ahead of what the Canon and Nikon crop bodies offered at the time. They had beter user interface, beter weatherproofing, arguably better sensor performance, and faster autofocusing..... and where is it now? ( 4/3... not micro 4/3 ).  Sales sucked, product not stocked by retail stores, death spiral, gone.

Well, the Olympus E5 got a DxOMark Overall Score of only 56.  That must be why it didn't sell.  ::)

Personally, I've never paid a lot of attention to Dx0Mark scores. A lot of people fixate on sensors, but it seems far more important to deal with more important stuff first. I tend to shoot in good lighting conditions so I don't have a fanatical worry about ISO scores.

To me, the most important aspect of a camera system is the AF system. An in focus picture beats an out of focus picture. I don't care how much dynamic range or megapixels are involved.... Focus is of paramount importance.

My second criteria to look at is the glass. It does not matter if you are shooting anything from a rebel to a 1Dx, the resolution of the glass has to exceed the resolution of the body if you are going to push things to the limit. With the higher pixel density, this is far more important on crop bodies than FF bodies, but when a high megapixel FF body comes out, make sure you have top notch glass of you will get soft pictures. Stick a 100L Macro on a Rebel and it will take pictures so sharp it will amaze you.... put a $200 kit zoom on a rebel and you get mush.

My third criteria is good user interface.... gotta be able to control things on the fly and in a panic.... stepping through menus does not cut it.

New sensor? Yes it's important to me, but it is far from being everything to me. I use camera systems, not components in isolation. It is very important to me that whatever system I am using comes from a stable and profitable company. If they are loosing money, they run the risk of going away, and that leaves me with a shelf of orphan glass.
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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2013, 09:44:16 PM »
Neuro, you have a habit to answer with sails,

Not to be picky here.... but I doubt that Canoe will ever be number one in "sails"..... they make consumer electronics, not boats.....

You even threw in the word "Canoe" for the icing on the cake!  Well done.
Oops... I just realized I forgot to post the picture to go with that...

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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2013, 09:50:14 PM »
(she is gorgeous and only 103 years old)

She doesn't look anywhere near that old.  Maybe it's the hat and glasses?   ;)
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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2013, 11:09:11 PM »
Really hoping the "surprise" will be the 7D Mark II or something even better!

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Re: EOS 70D & EOS 7D Mark II
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2013, 11:14:45 PM »
I don't know how or if this fits into this argument, but I think that the essential element  in Betamax v. VHS was that VHS out marketed Betamax, and won the war despite being the inferior technology.  Not sure if this applies in this debate.


Neuro, you have a habit to answer with sails

Sales drive revenue. Revenue drives profit. Profit is a major driver of share price and shareholder value.  Share price and shareholder value determine whether a public company thrives, survives, or fails.

Betamax was better quality than VHS.  VHS sold better. Betamax failed and was abandoned.
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