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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #15 on: June 13, 2013, 03:12:32 PM »
My vote is the same camera as your backup, unless you can't afford it.  Exact same menus, exact same everything.  If you had a pair of 5D3's, each with a battery grip, you'd be all set.
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« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2013, 04:24:04 PM »
Interesting discussion.

My primary thought would be that it is also attractive to have 2 bodies with different features: e.g. A high fps lower MP body for action and a lower fps higher MP body for landscapes. Or a crop body for more reach and a ff for better IQ.

If the 7D2 is a long the line that's being rumored, I think that would be my choice for a 2nd body: more reach and higher fps would give me something to complement my 5D3 rather than to diplicate it.

Does that make any sense to you?

In that line of thinking, you could consider the 1DX (or a used 1D4 if aps-h is acceptable to you). Slightly lower MP, but much faster fps and even better ISO performance. (But heavier and quite a bit more expensive as well).

For pro's I can understand the advantage of identical bodies as the image files will be the same from both cams.
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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #17 on: June 13, 2013, 06:05:58 PM »

While swapping lenses is a hassle sometimes,  I suspect carrying two cameras would be even clumsier and makes your shooting experience less enjoyable.  How about the weight?  You may potentially solve one problem while creating another.  Maybe you could borrow any camera from a friend and see how it feels carrying two cameras on a shoot.  If it works for you, get the 6D for shooting portraits and landscape. Personally I think only wedding photographers must carry two cameras.  That's just my opinion.

I have missed many close-up shots for not having 2nd body.

With 2nd body, I'll mount 85L, 135L or 70-200 f2.8 IS for close up shots which will be strapped to my RS7. The primary body will be hand held with 24-70 f2.8 II.
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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #18 on: June 13, 2013, 06:12:12 PM »
Interesting discussion.

My primary thought would be that it is also attractive to have 2 bodies with different features: e.g. A high fps lower MP body for action and a lower fps higher MP body for landscapes. Or a crop body for more reach and a ff for better IQ.

If the 7D2 is a long the line that's being rumored, I think that would be my choice for a 2nd body: more reach and higher fps would give me something to complement my 5D3 rather than to diplicate it.

Does that make any sense to you?

In that line of thinking, you could consider the 1DX (or a used 1D4 if aps-h is acceptable to you). Slightly lower MP, but much faster fps and even better ISO performance. (But heavier and quite a bit more expensive as well).

For pro's I can understand the advantage of identical bodies as the image files will be the same from both cams.

I can't speak for future, but I will stay away from crop sensor for now. I doubt 7D II will out perform 5D III in term of low light, regardless what new sensor might be.

1D X is a dream body, but I don't shoot anything fast and the price tag is really high. I would rather spend more money into my next lens 400mm f2.8 IS;)
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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #19 on: June 13, 2013, 06:58:17 PM »
My vote is the same camera as your backup, unless you can't afford it.  Exact same menus, exact same everything.  If you had a pair of 5D3's, each with a battery grip, you'd be all set.

Another $3200 on 5D III should not be a BIG problem ;)
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« Reply #20 on: June 13, 2013, 06:59:50 PM »
If you want to avoid swapping lenses surely you'll need another 5 bodies?  6 if you get your 400mm?

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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #21 on: June 13, 2013, 07:04:54 PM »
I'd get the 5DIII (or the 1D X).  The better AF will be beneficial - especially with fast primes you'll want the f/2.8 crosses that the 6D doesn't have.  Also, if you're carrying two bodies and switching between them as you shoot, ergonomics is important - having the same controls is preferable, rather than switching from the normal xD dial+joystick controls to the 60D-like dial of the 6D.

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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2013, 07:12:08 PM »
Another 5D3 will just add to the muscle memory your probably built already. To me it's seemless to work with them as a pair.

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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2013, 08:57:56 PM »
I have the 5DIII and the 1Dx.  I do a good bit of sports. I like that the systems are very similar.  I can switch between the two fairly effortlessly.  I typically put the longer prime or large zoom on the 1Dx and put the general zoom or a 70-200 on the 5DII for close action.  When I do portraits, the 5DII is the primary. I like its size and way it handles for that type of shooting.

If you can swing the diff, go the 1Dx.  Fantastic body.  I also have a 50D.  It is in the closet somewhere, really it is.  I am likely giving it to my daughter for college.  It's focus system and crop make it such that I do not like using it any longer.  It seems foreign to me now.

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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2013, 09:07:16 PM »
My vote is the same camera as your backup, unless you can't afford it.  Exact same menus, exact same everything.  If you had a pair of 5D3's, each with a battery grip, you'd be all set.

Sound advice, 2 x 1Dx or 2 x 5DMKIII etc, I had a situation a year back where I tried the D800 (Please don't hate me), it was to see if the thing was any better in my Underwater Photography, with all the hype about DR etc I felt it was at least worth the effort, to try, I tried, for 6 months, the Camera was Ok, but no better than my Housed 5DMKIII, what was an absolute bummer was sitting on the bottom of the Ocean at 40 Meters trying to figure out how to get the next command input into a Camera that had clearly had the Menu system designed by a bunch of raving imbeciles (Just Joking Nikon), in the end I sold the D800, not because it wasn't a reasonable Camera, but because it wasn't better than what I had and I couldn't stand another minute with the Menu System being so different from my 1Dx & 5DMKIII.

Back to Bdunbar's advice, very sound advice.
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« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2013, 09:24:51 PM »
I actually had my 5D3 first.  But for sports I was shooting with a 1Dx which I had just bought, and a 1D4 which I had had on the 70-200 lens (I was doing football and soccer).  When I would grab the 1Dx or the 1D4, I was always like, "now wait a minute, what do I do?"  No matter how many times I shot with each, lol. 

So then I sold the 1D4, and bought another 1Dx with the rest of my money, and was recommended to an insane asylum.  Insane may be, but the two systems are seamless from one cam to the other.  All the while I'm forgoing vacation after vacation.............
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« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2013, 09:26:39 PM »
Wow, I was surprised to see so many people recommending a second MkIII. My vote would be for some variation if you're going to have two cams. I know you seemed set on no crop, but I love that having a full frame and 1.6x virtually doubles my lens choices, which is pretty cool. Whenever you find yourself in a dark situation that requires that little boost in low light performance, just shoot on the 5D.

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« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2013, 09:29:01 PM »
I like the idea of 2 5D3's. Right now I have one 5D3 and a 5D2. The problem is (being an amateur) I cannot justify a second 5D3.
My 5D2 has 15-20K clicks and I guess my 5D3 ~5K. (OK these numbers will increase alot during Summer...  :)  )

So if I get a second 5D3 chances are it will be practically unused when 5D4 arrives!

The other reason may seem a little silly to you:

I was able to do the following using Magic Lantern with my 5D2:

Bracketing: 2 shots. Distance apart 5EV. 1st shot (with the longer duration) with timer delay.

I cannot do exactly the same with 5D3.

Yes, I can set the bracketing to 2 shots. But, the timer delay is an all or nothing.
I need the second shot to be up to -5EV and be shot immediately the 1st which needs at least the timer
as it will use slow shutter speed and telephoto.

Maybe you think all these are crazy but I was able to take a succession of 2 photos that I merged in one
showing a moonrise near an ancient temple. -5EV set the moon at comparable brightness (it was one day past full moon) and the succession (almost) without delay made the merge easier.

So maybe it seems silly but I may need again this 5D2/ML feature. Maybe when ML is 100% functioning on a latest firmware 5D3 I will think again. 

Other than that I am crazy with my 5D3  :)
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« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2013, 09:34:21 PM »
I actually had my 5D3 first.  But for sports I was shooting with a 1Dx which I had just bought, and a 1D4 which I had had on the 70-200 lens (I was doing football and soccer).  When I would grab the 1Dx or the 1D4, I was always like, "now wait a minute, what do I do?"  No matter how many times I shot with each, lol. 

So then I sold the 1D4, and bought another 1Dx with the rest of my money, and was recommended to an insane asylum.  Insane may be, but the two systems are seamless from one cam to the other.  All the while I'm forgoing vacation after vacation.............
I understand. Even as an amateur who has 5D2 and 5D3 I know what you mean...
(For example when I power them on/off or trying to view photos using magnification...)

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Re: 2nd Body - your thoughts?
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2013, 12:44:14 AM »
I would say yes to having two bodies. Identical...well that is up to if you want to spend that much money. I found it great to have another body although switching between the first 5D and the mk3 is sometimes is annoying. Besides that I can go from wide to tele with a simple swap.

The only problem I have is wanting to use three of my prime lenses and having to still switch...although it is usually from a UWA to a 35mm.

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