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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #75 on: July 19, 2013, 02:03:28 PM »
Additionally, you'll enjoy knowing you can take photographs at 12800 ISO that look far better than the T3i at 6400 ISO ever did.

If we are talking RAW files with no noise reduction...In my opinion both types of noise on the 6D at ISO 12,800, are comparable to the T3i's noise content at ISO 3200 or so.  It's about the same as my 50D's noise was at ISO 2500.  The 50D's main problem was color or chrominance noise, which I suspect the T3i's sensor and especially overall processing...improved on, but only slightly.

The key for higher ISO photography, is to set exposure compensation at +1/3 or +2/3, as often as you can get away with it (when the subject matter does not have extremely bright highlights).  This will allow the noise content to be vastly lower still, than with a normal exposure.  Also, I've found the light metering, actually requires this anyway.  The darker the light, the less accurate the 6D's light meter seems to be.  Seems to underexpose, unless of course there are bright lights in the view...in which case you either meter/expose for them, or else let them blow out slightly, depending on how important the darker content is.

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #76 on: July 23, 2013, 04:34:35 AM »
Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the 6D and not wait for the 70D.

I believe the AF and FPS will be fine for the sorts of "action" shots I need (i.e kids running around playing sports outdoors)..

The very next night I actually went to a lights display and thought it was a great test.. i was very happy with how the camera focused in low light and the IQ at a higher ISO than I would normally use.

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« Reply #77 on: July 23, 2013, 11:59:20 AM »
Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the 6D and not wait for the 70D.

I believe the AF and FPS will be fine for the sorts of "action" shots I need (i.e kids running around playing sports outdoors)..

A co-worker of mine purchased a 6D.  He was showing me some of his action shots (soccer games, BIFs including hummingbirds).  The 6D did not seem to have any problem with auto focusing.
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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2013, 02:52:27 PM »
Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the 6D and not wait for the 70D.

I believe the AF and FPS will be fine for the sorts of "action" shots I need (i.e kids running around playing sports outdoors)..

The very next night I actually went to a lights display and thought it was a great test.. i was very happy with how the camera focused in low light and the IQ at a higher ISO than I would normally use.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1072696_10201062417697054_1776612149_o.jpg

Nice shot...is that a projected image?

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #79 on: July 23, 2013, 03:10:48 PM »
Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the 6D and not wait for the 70D.

I believe the AF and FPS will be fine for the sorts of "action" shots I need (i.e kids running around playing sports outdoors)..

A co-worker of mine purchased a 6D.  He was showing me some of his action shots (soccer games, BIFs including hummingbirds).  The 6D did not seem to have any problem with auto focusing.

The 6D can be made to lose tracking in servo mode, especially on subjects with lower contrast, or with a difficult background or foreground (also depends on which lens is attached...some will make the problem worse).  As available light gets darker, things don't improve.  But the problem with comparing how much worse this is than with other more capable bodies, is that these problems also happen with the 5D3 and 1DX.  They just happen less often, generally (and up to that point where the 6D's center point can still achieve fast focus lock in "single shot" mode...where the 1DX and 5D3 are left hunting forever.)

In my opinion, for 90% of the type of photography the general public does, the 6D's autofocus is capable of getting a very high percentage of their shots in focus...even sharp focus.  It really is those who are experienced with the 5D3 and 1DX, who are able to easily find fault with the 6D's autofocus ability.  These people would never be caught dead using a 6D for anything other than long exposure tripod photography, because otherwise, word might get back to their buddies that they were using the inferior camera for "critical action events".  That just will not do.

If you happen to own one of the "great white" supertelephoto lenses, you are already very serious about getting high quality results.  If you shoot events with this lens, that are highly speed intensive, occurring in moderate to good light, then the 6D is not the right choice at all.  If you mainly shoot wildlife that is either slow moving, or large, or else small and stationary...in low light with this great white lens, then the 6D can quite possibly be the best choice.  The 1DX has a lot less color (chrominance noise) than both the 6D and the 5D3, so if you can tolerate its loud shutter, mass, expense...and you can make it autofocus in the above low light situation...then it is the best choice (currently...its successor might more likely the best choice of all).
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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #80 on: July 23, 2013, 09:17:48 PM »
Well I bit the bullet and decided to go with the 6D and not wait for the 70D.

I believe the AF and FPS will be fine for the sorts of "action" shots I need (i.e kids running around playing sports outdoors)..

The very next night I actually went to a lights display and thought it was a great test.. i was very happy with how the camera focused in low light and the IQ at a higher ISO than I would normally use.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1072696_10201062417697054_1776612149_o.jpg

Nice shot...is that a projected image?

Thanks.. this was literally the first time using the camera..

Yes for projected images.. there were about 6 buildings in a row lit up with changing pictures and patterns. This was from Perth, Western Australia and is apparently done by the same company that often lights up the Sydney Opera House for special events.

Another one I liked showing great detail in the projection. They were clearly designed for the buildings as the scenes worked around the windows and features.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1074255_10201062464138215_18992598_o.jpg


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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2013, 09:24:33 PM »
In my opinion, for 90% of the type of photography the general public does, the 6D's autofocus is capable of getting a very high percentage of their shots in focus...even sharp focus. 

This is pretty much what I was thinking and why I also did not wait any longer for the 7D2.. I just don't need dual card slots, weatherproofing, etc.. and it looks likely to be quite an expensive camera in it's own right in order to have (possibly) much better AF system. So I went with better IQ of FF for all my shots, and will live with the occasional times the 6D struggles. I want one or two frames in focus of my kids playing sport or on stage, not 10 FPS to get the perfect shot when the bat impacts the ball, or the exact frame a catch is made..

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #81 on: July 23, 2013, 09:24:33 PM »

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #82 on: July 23, 2013, 10:01:59 PM »
The general rule of thumb is that FF is better for large and wide, APS-C for small and narrow..... Unless it's moving quickly and then you want the best af system you can afford.

The second rule of thumb is if you are shooting in poor light, go FF or use a flash.

The third rule of thumb is that the lens will have more impact on iq than the camera.

Since you are shooting landscape, short of cataclysmic events such as volcanoes erupting, kick-ass autofocus is not important.... But what is important is a quality wide angle lens. Because of the crop factor on APS-C cameras, it is a lot harder to make a good wide angle lens, and you will find you get much better results from a FF camera.

It was the first answer, and I think it was the best answer. Great rules of thumb, Don! This is along the lines of catch a man a fish/teach a man to fish, which is always best, IMO. :)

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #83 on: July 23, 2013, 11:14:21 PM »
My line of work:

- Portraits
- Fashions (5DmkIII would be ideal for these but can't afford yet)
- Product (very scarce)

70D with the new Sigma 18-35 or the 6D with the new Sigma 35

I have already 50mm f1.8, 100mm f2 need something on the wide end

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« Reply #84 on: July 23, 2013, 11:34:54 PM »
My line of work:

- Portraits
- Fashions (5DmkIII would be ideal for these but can't afford yet)
- Product (very scarce)

70D with the new Sigma 18-35 or the 6D with the new Sigma 35

I have already 50mm f1.8, 100mm f2 need something on the wide end

Your last sentence basically answered your question.....6D  !!

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2013, 03:27:55 AM »
For what i have seen the 70D example pictures looks nice. But it's hard to compare a picture from a 70d with another from a 60d. I need the same object shoot with both DSLRs with same lens to compare.

Are there any example pictures from 70d vs 60d on full size?
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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #86 on: July 29, 2013, 04:13:12 PM »
In your case: 6D. Without regrets. 70D is crop. Helpful for range. But high ISO IQ will fall far behind what a 6D even at very high ISOs is able to deliever. I was shooting a 30D for more than five years. Last August I purchased the 5D3. No regrets. So if the 6D matches with your budget: go and get it. This is my 5D3 last week, at very low candle light and insanely high ISO 51.2k. Processed in DPP (mostly NR), slight tonal corrections in PS.


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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2013, 03:54:37 AM »
In my opinion, for 90% of the type of photography the general public does, the 6D's autofocus is capable of getting a very high percentage of their shots in focus...even sharp focus. 

This is pretty much what I was thinking and why I also did not wait any longer for the 7D2.. I just don't need dual card slots, weatherproofing, etc.. and it looks likely to be quite an expensive camera in it's own right in order to have (possibly) much better AF system. So I went with better IQ of FF for all my shots, and will live with the occasional times the 6D struggles. I want one or two frames in focus of my kids playing sport or on stage, not 10 FPS to get the perfect shot when the bat impacts the ball, or the exact frame a catch is made..

Sounds like you made the right choice to me.  Not sure how much more weather sealing the 70D will have over the 6D. 

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« Reply #87 on: August 01, 2013, 03:54:37 AM »

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« Reply #88 on: August 01, 2013, 03:56:16 AM »
In your case: 6D. Without regrets. 70D is crop. Helpful for range. But high ISO IQ will fall far behind what a 6D even at very high ISOs is able to deliever. I was shooting a 30D for more than five years. Last August I purchased the 5D3. No regrets. So if the 6D matches with your budget: go and get it. This is my 5D3 last week, at very low candle light and insanely high ISO 51.2k. Processed in DPP (mostly NR), slight tonal corrections in PS.


Z96A5407bTLKlein by Peter Hauri, on Flickr


Z96A5407bTLBWKleindefCrop by Peter Hauri, on Flickr

Nice shots!

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Re: 70D or 6D
« Reply #88 on: August 01, 2013, 03:56:16 AM »