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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2013, 07:20:00 AM »
Just wondering how important that is to everyone. When I set my 600's up in soft boxes or umbrellas I already know the zoom length I will need for maximum light dispersion. I just use the STE3 to select the type of mode I want and flash duration. I suppose that when you are trying for effects like narrowing the beam for rim lighting effects or other stuff it makes a difference. I don't do much of that so it does not bother me. I really like the system.       
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2013, 12:45:52 AM »
Just wondering how important that is to everyone. When I set my 600's up in there soft boxes or umbrellas I already know the zoom length I will need for maximum light dispersion. I just use the STE3 to select the type of mode I want and flash duration. I suppose that when you are trying for effects like narrowing the beam for rim lighting effects or other stuff it makes a difference. I don't do much of that so it does not bother me. I really like the system.       

+1. Zoom setting for off-camera flash is based on spread of light needed into the light modifier. The modifier distributes light onto the scene. If you're using a naked flash then you'd usually only adjust zoom is when moving your light stand so you'd be at the flash anyway.
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2013, 07:02:37 AM »
Then there are the other two main complaints. No AF assist on the STE3. Don't need it in the studio and when shooting event photography I have a flash on my camera all the time anyway to bounce when I can even with remote flashes in the corners.   

Lack of off camera 2nd curtain sync. Have not missed it but I am surprised Canon left it out for RT. Looks like Yongnuo will have it with their RT release, in manual only I think. Also their version STE3 will have AF assist. There will be a little pressure on Canon RT sales. 

Overall I'm very happy with Canon RT. The group mode rocks.   

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2013, 03:42:17 PM »
Then there are the other two main complaints. No AF assist on the STE3. Don't need it in the studio and when shooting event photography I have a flash on my camera all the time anyway to bounce when I can even with remote flashes in the corners.   

Lack of off camera 2nd curtain sync. Have not missed it but I am surprised Canon left it out for RT. Looks like Yongnuo will have it with their RT release, in manual only I think. Also their version STE3 will have AF assist. There will be a little pressure on Canon RT sales. 

Overall I'm very happy with Canon RT. The group mode rocks.

+1. Also keen to get ahold of YN-E3-RT and hope Yongnuo soon release a radio receiver to trigger non-600-RT flashes.
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2013, 09:47:33 PM »
Not a reply to anyone particular, but rather a coincidence that I see this thread after having just recently watched a video from CanonUSA's Bruce Dorn talking about using the zoom off camera.  At 1:43:  "...the expanded 200mm tele zoom setting is expecially useful for wireless flash when the speedlite is used off-camera."

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2013, 11:43:53 PM »
Thank you for this post/link

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Not a reply to anyone particular, but rather a coincidence that I see this thread after having just recently watched a video from CanonUSA's Bruce Dorn talking about using the zoom off camera.  At 1:43:  "...the expanded 200mm tele zoom setting is expecially useful for wireless flash when the speedlite is used off-camera."

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2013, 07:19:59 AM »
Sure!  I thought the video where he lights an entire firetruck, driver cab, and firemen was pretty cool.

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2013, 07:55:47 PM »
I don't think anybody mentioned them, but the new Odin Mitros+ flashes have remote zoom and 2nd curtain control, if that's what you are really after.

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2013, 08:08:46 PM »
Ah yes, the Mitros+, a Mitros with an Odin receiver built in.

Now how did we get to the stage of cheap knockoffs and Chinese clones costing $399? You can get Canon refurb 600EX-RT's for $373 two or three times a year or $423 standard price, and non refurbs for between $475 and $499, for that kind of "saving" I am OEM all the way.
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2013, 08:42:24 PM »
I figured out that there is a remote zoom head control for the 600EX-RT.  Turns out it's the same remote control we had for the TV when I was a kid.

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2015, 07:31:03 PM »
I am here because of the same... in June 2015...
I can't have my 600EX-RT in Auto Zoom when using ST-E3-RT. Nothing happens when changing focal lenght.

Then I tried my way much cheeper Chinese triggers: Yongnuo YN622C-TX (on camera) and YN622C underneath the speedlights.

An guess what... nicely (and sadly for Canon) I can manually ajust the zoom on each speedlight from the YN622C-TX trigger. But that's not all. The 600EX-RT even autozoom when I change focal lenght and touch the release button light on my camera.

So with my cheep Chinese Yongnuo triggers I make my expensive Canon 600EX-RT speedlights auto zoom, but with my expensive Canon ST-E3-RT trigger nothing happens...

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2015, 07:49:55 PM »
I am here because of the same... in June 2015...
I can't have my 600EX-RT in Auto Zoom when using ST-E3-RT. Nothing happens when changing focal lenght.

Then I tried my way much cheeper Chinese triggers: Yongnuo YN622C-TX (on camera) and YN622C underneath the speedlights.

An guess what... nicely (and sadly for Canon) I can manually ajust the zoom on each speedlight from the YN622C-TX trigger. But that's not all. The 600EX-RT even autozoom when I change focal lenght and touch the release button light on my camera.

So with my cheep Chinese Yongnuo triggers I make my expensive Canon 600EX-RT speedlights auto zoom, but with my expensive Canon ST-E3-RT trigger nothing happens...

Why would you want remote lights to zoom with the lens setting? I would consider that a negative 'feature', when I set up a remote I set it up one time and am done with it, being able to adjust the power and turn it on or off is all I ask.

I can understand liking being able to remotely zoom the remote flash, but not auto.
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2015, 02:00:33 AM »
The purpose of the flash's zoom head is to match the region of illumination to the FoV of the lens. The only way that's possible is if the flash is on the camera.  Granted, we co-opt the zoom head function for creative uses, but that's not the design intention.

I dunno, for such a radio flash designed for multi-flash setups I don't think the lack of remote zoom can be explained like with a 90x for occasional on-hotshoe flash. Canon well knows that people use it for directing light on brackets and off camera, which explains statements like this:

Not a reply to anyone particular, but rather a coincidence that I see this thread after having just recently watched a video from CanonUSA's Bruce Dorn talking about using the zoom off camera.  At 1:43:  "...the expanded 200mm tele zoom setting is expecially useful for wireless flash when the speedlite is used off-camera."

My guess is that Canon wanted to get their rt protocol on the market asap and simply opted to transfers ettl2 over radio for the time being as the "just works" option. I'd be surprised if there wouldn't be a new flash lineup with ettl3 (remote zoom & 2nd curtain remote) down the road to expand on the existing system.

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2015, 11:29:01 AM »
The purpose of the flash's zoom head is to match the region of illumination to the FoV of the lens. The only way that's possible is if the flash is on the camera.  Granted, we co-opt the zoom head function for creative uses, but that's not the design intention.

I dunno, for such a radio flash designed for multi-flash setups I don't think the lack of remote zoom can be explained like with a 90x for occasional on-hotshoe flash. Canon well knows that people use it for directing light on brackets and off camera, which explains statements like this:

Not a reply to anyone particular, but rather a coincidence that I see this thread after having just recently watched a video from CanonUSA's Bruce Dorn talking about using the zoom off camera.  At 1:43:  "...the expanded 200mm tele zoom setting is expecially useful for wireless flash when the speedlite is used off-camera."

My guess is that Canon wanted to get their rt protocol on the market asap and simply opted to transfers ettl2 over radio for the time being as the "just works" option. I'd be surprised if there wouldn't be a new flash lineup with ettl3 (remote zoom & 2nd curtain remote) down the road to expand on the existing system.

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Re: 600EX-RT + ST-E3-RT remote zoom setting?
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2015, 11:38:19 AM »
I'd be surprised if there wouldn't be a new flash lineup with ettl3 (remote zoom & 2nd curtain remote) down the road to expand on the existing system.

What does E-TTL flash metering have to do with remote zoom or remote 2nd curtain sync?  I suspect Canon could have implemented those in the -RT protocol had they wanted to do so.   
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