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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2013, 04:48:45 AM »

My tip:
1/1000-1/1250 for fast passing planes (see  vapor on high G´s). 1/800-1/1000 for slower flying planes. aperture: +1/3 to +1, spot metering. Iso Auto, high speed.
100-400 mm IS is good for fast single planes (or some lens that is better then that. Or 70-200 2.8 with 1.4x.
For flying teams an second body with an lens between 50-200mm to get them when they pass by.

You have to try it out....

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2013, 04:48:45 AM »

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2013, 01:57:44 PM »
I've attached some shots from last year - these are more or less straight out of camera and uncropped just to show what field of view you may get depending on where you stand relative to whatever might be flying about. I hadn't been to an airshow in over 20 years so my technique was a bit rusty.

All shots are 5D3 with 300mm f2.8 IS and 1.4x converter so 420mm.

As you can see, cropping is required to make the most of the images (though that's down to personal taste). As a consequence I'm hiring a 500mm f4 mk2 next week for an airshow and will be using a tripod and gimbal head since I won't be able to swing it about by hand all afternoon (the 300+1.4 was managable but I feel the TC softened the images just a bit much for my liking). Also I'm thinking of selling the 300mm to get the 500mm so an airshow seems a good field test.

I'll use a 17-40mm for static stuff and the 500mm for what's flying. As I'm mainly going along just to see a P51, F86 and Me109, I'm not so bothered about acrobatic teams where a wider view is required.

As others have said, use 1/1000th and above for jets and around 1/300th for props. I wouldn't go with spot metering as it's too easy to be slightly off target and get a nicely exposed sky at the expense of an under-exposed plane. (Been there, done that!). I'll probably go with centre-weighted plus 1/3rd or 2/3rds of a stop.

Of course the weather will be diabolical and the 500mm will be a liability but isn't that what photography is all about?

Happy shooting.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2013, 02:25:00 PM »
I have a 5D3 and a 70-200mm 2.8 IS mk2
I use a 2xmkIII quite a lot and find the focus speed to be excellent when considering the loss of light.
I'm not saying it's blazing fast as it is without the TC, but it's not slow by any means (I shoot horse jumping etc without issue)
I would use it, especially considering the available light at an air show.
I would also use the expanded centre focus point, aircraft aren't that small to need tracking, and if they're that far away, don't bother shooting, save your battery until they're close enough.
 
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2013, 02:52:56 PM »
70-200 will be too short for flying aircraft. Depending where your standing, it will be good for when they are taxing to the RWY or close to the audience.
If you don't want to spend a lot, 100-400L or 400 f/5.6L will be great. Ideal choice would be 500 f/4L or a 300 f/2.8L with converters. If you have 2 bodies it makes things a lot easier.
For fighter jets, try and keep the shutter speed high as they are quick!!
Prop jets, 1/100 is a sweet spot to get full prop discs but it can vary and you might need to go as low as 1/60.


W A R B I R D by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


F I G H T ER by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Canada - Air Force | McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet | 188781 | CYND by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Canada - Air Force | McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet | 188781 | CYND {Explored} by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Pitts Special by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2013, 04:05:57 AM »
What lens are you using for these shots Jan?
Looks like a 400?

Great shots, really sharp - this is what I am looking for.

70-200 will be too short for flying aircraft. Depending where your standing, it will be good for when they are taxing to the RWY or close to the audience.
If you don't want to spend a lot, 100-400L or 400 f/5.6L will be great. Ideal choice would be 500 f/4L or a 300 f/2.8L with converters. If you have 2 bodies it makes things a lot easier.
For fighter jets, try and keep the shutter speed high as they are quick!!
Prop jets, 1/100 is a sweet spot to get full prop discs but it can vary and you might need to go as low as 1/60.


W A R B I R D by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


F I G H T ER by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Canada - Air Force | McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet | 188781 | CYND by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Canada - Air Force | McDonnell Douglas CF-18 Hornet | 188781 | CYND {Explored} by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr


Pitts Special by Jan Jasinski, on Flickr

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2013, 04:01:41 PM »
What lens are you using for these shots Jan?
Looks like a 400?

Great shots, really sharp - this is what I am looking for.
Thanks  ;D !
I was mostly using my friend's 100-400L, but I think some some shots were with my 400 f/5.6L.
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2013, 04:29:46 PM »
I am taking my 5D Mark III to an air show in a couple of weeks.

Can anyone recommend the optimal camera settings to use?

Lens on my 5D Mark III will be a 70-200 f2.8LII with either a 1.4X II or 2.0X III TC.

I will be photographing both prop aircraft and jets and the camera will be tripod mounted on a gimbal mount.

I would have thought of using centre sport AF with 4 or 8 point expansion but it was recommended to me to use the full zone AF (All of them) and let the camera track the planes through the entire AF zone - this will make it easy to get and keep an AF lock on an aircraft.

Any advice on metering modes, shutter speeds, etc. is appreciated.

1/1000 second, if light is stable then manual (sky +2/3 to start). Will anything be back lit?   Trickier to expose

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2013, 04:54:15 PM »
70-200 will be too short for flying aircraft. Depending where your standing, it will be good for when they are taxing to the RWY or close to the audience.
If you don't want to spend a lot, 100-400L or 400 f/5.6L will be great. Ideal choice would be 500 f/4L or a 300 f/2.8L with converters. If you have 2 bodies it makes things a lot easier.
For fighter jets, try and keep the shutter speed high as they are quick!!
Prop jets, 1/100 is a sweet spot to get full prop discs but it can vary and you might need to go as low as 1/60.


Very nice shots. I especially like the warbirds in B&W with the prop yellow markings, and the one of the Pitts Special. Well done!

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #23 on: August 04, 2013, 02:01:41 PM »
Any 200+ lens is appropriate, and be sure to set manual focus to infinity and turn off autofocus.  Planes move
quickly and sometimes the camera doesn't - but most of them are far enough away (unless you go to Reno)
that infinity is fine.  Nothing wrong with stopping a prop so faster shutter speeds are fine with me. This example
was from a 5DII with a Leica R 250 lens.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #24 on: August 04, 2013, 08:10:07 PM »
Some shots from the shoot - the 5D3/70-200 f2.8L II/2X TC combination worked really well - all shot using my gimbal mount too.


East Fortune 2013 by Scott_McPhee, on Flickr


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East Fortune 2013 by Scott_McPhee, on Flickr


East Fortune 2013 by Scott_McPhee, on Flickr


East Fortune 2013 by Scott_McPhee, on Flickr


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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #25 on: August 04, 2013, 08:33:56 PM »
If I didn't want a gimbal before, I surely do now!

Jim
I'd probably do better to invest more time and less money.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #26 on: August 04, 2013, 09:01:33 PM »
If I didn't want a gimbal before, I surely do now!

Jim

A few people don't like them, but I was one of two photographers there on the day using a gimbal and it was much easier than hand holding the lens.
get is balanced and positioned properly and you will have no problems tracking the aircraft either.

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2013, 09:04:08 PM »
Some shots from the shoot - the 5D3/70-200 f2.8L II/2X TC combination worked really well - all shot using my gimbal mount too.


Great shots Scott !!!  8)  Nice job!

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2013, 10:09:23 PM »
Some shots from the shoot - the 5D3/70-200 f2.8L II/2X TC combination worked really well - all shot using my gimbal mount too.


Great shots Scott !!!  8)  Nice job!
Yup! Lovely pictures Scott_McPhee. Seeing a picture of a Hunter after 1965! Lovely pictures of the Typhoon and Spitfire too! Say, how did the pilot get the F18 at 45 degrees at tree top level?

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2013, 10:14:50 PM »
Say, how did the pilot get the F18 at 45 degrees at tree top level?

Afterburner + the F-18's still-remarkable high-AOA performance ;-)

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Re: Canon 5D3 at airshow
« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2013, 10:14:50 PM »