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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2013, 09:21:47 AM »

Good point.  Obviously, on a tripod one would usually manually focus with 10x Live View anyway.  But the macro lenses take a hit on AF performance spec - despite being an f/2.8 lens, the 100L IS Macro is in Group C, meaning no f/2.8 high-precision cross points are activated, just the f/5.6 crosses in the middle and the f/4 crosses at the sides (and all of the f/5.6 lines, too).  The 180L Macro is actually in Group G, meaning only 33 of the 61 AF points are active at all, and for cross points just the 15 f/5.6 ones in the middle.

One other thing to note about the 100L vs the 180L is that the 180mm lens takes TCs, meaning instead of 1:1 you can get to 1.4:1 or even 2:1.  With the 1.4x TC, it will still AF in Group G.  With the f/8 AF update, I'm not sure if the 180L + 2X will AF using the center point or not.  While it's physically possible to use a Kenko 1.4x TC on the 100L, there are issues with doing so on the 5DIII - it you have AFMA enabled on the camera, the Kenko 1.4x + 100L reportedly causes the 5DIII to lock up (meaning battery removal to reset).

Would you happen to know how the Sigma f/2.8 150mm or 180mm macro lenses fit in with the Canon AF rules?
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2013, 09:30:50 AM »
I own the siggy 150mm OS, its a nice piece of glass, although rather on the heavier side. The added reach is quite nice, the only real down of the lens is the focus breathing. I asked sigma for exact numbers, 118mm@1:3 and 78mm@1:1. Due to physics, the 100L should not be much better.
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2013, 09:57:54 AM »
What are you specifically photographing in macro?

I have a 5D3, 100/2.8 macro, MP-E 65, the Wimberley brackets already mentioned, and the MT-24EX.  First, I almost never use a flash when photographing with my 100/2.8. IMHO it is best to use flash when you can control all of the lighting in the shot - otherwise things just look unnatural.  The following shot was handheld with the 100/2.8.


JSC_2639.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

Contrast with this shot, also taken with the 100/2.8, where I used high speed triggers but did use flash - actually a Yongnuo, 580EX, and two Einsteins.  Here I was able to control all of the light in the shot.


A Day at the Circus by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

Of course, the setup above is not handheld.  Where you will find flash invaluable handheld is when photographing insects - but then the 100/2.8 really does not have the magnification you need.  I use my MP-E 65 almost exclusively for this with my MT-24EX.  The following shot uses this setup and note that again I was able to control all of the light in the shot due to the small frame.


JSC_1257-Edit-2-Edit.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

Here is a very rare example where I did use a flash with my 100/2.8 handheld.  In this case I used an MT-24EX and took the shot at night - so of course I needed some form of illumination.  The leaf provided enough closure that I could control all of the light in the shot.  Note that you need a special ring to use the MT-24EX with this lens.


JSC_6946-Edit.jpg by CalevPhoto, on Flickr

The Wimberley brackets I use much less frequently and for more specialized scenarios.  The following are where I found them useful.
- When I owned the Canon 180 macro, I needed to push up the location of the flashes closer to the end of the lens.  I needed the brackets to do this.
- On rare occasions I need a much lower angle between the beams of light and the subject - typically to minimize reflections.  The following shot is an example - http://jcalev.zenfolio.com/p381495746/h2842ed91#h2842ed91
- I have microscope lenses that I attach to my camera and again need the light right on the subject.  None of my shots when doing this are worth showing yet. :)

So my answer boils down to the following.
- If you want to photograph flowers are abstract nature, my recommendation is to not buy a flash.  Just use the lens handheld.
- If you want to photograph insects, unless you mean butterflies and other large insects, you are looking at the wrong lens.  This is the realm of the MP-E 65 + MT-24EX but make sure you know what you are getting into - this is not an easy lens to use.
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2013, 10:18:20 AM »
Thanks for all the suggestions.  I do want handheld, and I wouldn't use flash if I could get away with not using it—but I have run into situations where having one would be useful, and so far I've tried to ghetto-rig the flashes laying out detached from the camera with my triggers but thats kind of a pain

I mainly like the 100 because of the IS, but also because its a good length to keep on my camera and double for portraits.  I'll check out the sigma 150 though...
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2013, 11:08:56 AM »
Would you happen to know how the Sigma f/2.8 150mm or 180mm macro lenses fit in with the Canon AF rules?

Sorry, no idea.
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2013, 11:27:46 AM »
OP asked about a handheld macro setup...
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2013, 11:28:55 AM »
Would you happen to know how the Sigma f/2.8 150mm or 180mm macro lenses fit in with the Canon AF rules?

Sorry, no idea.

I found this website
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/06/18/5d-mk-iii-af-points-and-third-party-lenses

Sigma 150mm OS is group E

Not sure about the veracity...

Originally it was probably published in Lensrentals blog

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/06/5d-mk-iii-af-points-and-3rd-party-lenses

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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2013, 12:00:39 PM »
Would you happen to know how the Sigma f/2.8 150mm or 180mm macro lenses fit in with the Canon AF rules?

Sorry, no idea.

I found this website
http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2012/06/18/5d-mk-iii-af-points-and-third-party-lenses

Sigma 150mm OS is group E

Not sure about the veracity...

Originally it was probably published in Lensrentals blog

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/06/5d-mk-iii-af-points-and-3rd-party-lenses

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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2013, 12:18:28 PM »


If Roger/Lensrentals says it, you can believe it.

Right, actually I saw later that it was blogged by Mr. Cicala originally. I added the last two line (lensreantals reference) later as a modification to my post. That is why I was not sure about its correctness when I first wrote it.
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2013, 01:24:59 PM »
I do a fair bit of macro and I have been very satisfied with the 100L and a MT-24EX. Got another system with flexible arms attached to a plate but use the 24EX system much more often. Simply because I find it much more simple and ready to use at all times. As it is primarily designed for the MP E- 65 you need the adapter ring reducing from 65 to 58mm for the flashes ring mount. I do my macros manually, either with 60D or 5D3 and most of the time, I use extension tubes up to 65mm.

As you know, the main problem with macro is the dof. For small things, I set to f/14 - f16 mostly. That means flash. With no flash, the 5D3, with its higher possible ISO, allows for macros in bright light with great natural results. This providing your subjects are reasonably sizable. Still, for macro work, I don't like much working at higher ISO's as it shows quickly on those blurred backgrounds. As you get closer, you need to reduce the aperture and with no flash, things get tricky. For smaller stuff, I also use the 5D3 but more often the 60D, both using the 24EX. The tubes give me a magnification of up to about 1.7:1 which is just nice for what I do.

So to conclude on my 2 cts, the 100L is a great macro lens. I appreciate the IS that I can feel is working even at close distance. With tubes it gets me where I like to be and with the MT-24EX it makes a great combo well balanced on the camera and giving me all the flexibility I need for my handheld macros. Hope this helps.         

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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2013, 01:34:27 PM »
I do a fair bit of macro and I have been very satisfied with the 100L and a MT-24EX. Got another system with flexible arms attached to a plate but use the 24EX system much more often.

Indeed.  The OP mentioned having a pair of 3rd party speedlites and radio triggers, but I also find the MT-24EX to be excellent (although I use it more with my MP-E 65mm than the 100L).

My 'frankenstein's monster' handheld macro rig is the MT-24EX in the hotshoe, with the heads attached to the pair of Wimberley F-2 brackets on the lens collar plate (the MP-E65 comes with a collar, I have the collar for the 100L).  I also attach the RRS B91-QR bracket to the lens plate, with an FA-QREX2 extension arm and cold shoe and a 600EX-RT mounted to that, as an optical slave controlled by the MT-24EX.  The small twin flash heads are used to light the subject from top/front/side, and the 600EX-RT on the extension is used to light the background.
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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2013, 02:15:33 PM »
My 'frankenstein's monster' handheld macro rig is the MT-24EX in the hotshoe, with the heads attached to the pair of Wimberley F-2 brackets on the lens collar plate (the MP-E65 comes with a collar, I have the collar for the 100L).  I also attach the RRS B91-QR bracket to the lens plate, with an FA-QREX2 extension arm and cold shoe and a 600EX-RT mounted to that, as an optical slave controlled by the MT-24EX.  The small twin flash heads are used to light the subject from top/front/side, and the 600EX-RT on the extension is used to light the background.
Could your share a picture of that setup?

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Re: Macro gear suggestions for 5DIII?
« Reply #27 on: July 25, 2013, 02:19:07 PM »
I have a 5DIII and the 100mm 2.8L.  The image stabilization doesn't really work that well for real macro work.  WOnderfull as a medium, low light telephoto, but not great for macro.  I have a flash rig, but the the thing that works best is a simple monopod.  I picked up the canon one for 30 bucks.  Easy to carry, not nearly as cumbersome as a tripod and allows you to get really close to bugs and flowers with minimal fuss.  I usually go with a f9 or f11, apature priority and let the camera choose the ISO.  How's this?
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« Reply #28 on: July 25, 2013, 02:21:24 PM »
or this? 5DIII, 100mm 2.8L monopod
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« Reply #29 on: July 25, 2013, 02:25:47 PM »
My 'frankenstein's monster' handheld macro rig is the MT-24EX in the hotshoe, with the heads attached to the pair of Wimberley F-2 brackets on the lens collar plate (the MP-E65 comes with a collar, I have the collar for the 100L).  I also attach the RRS B91-QR bracket to the lens plate, with an FA-QREX2 extension arm and cold shoe and a 600EX-RT mounted to that, as an optical slave controlled by the MT-24EX.  The small twin flash heads are used to light the subject from top/front/side, and the 600EX-RT on the extension is used to light the background.
Could your share a picture of that setup?

I'll snap one in a day or two, and post it.
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