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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #120 on: August 30, 2013, 09:03:01 AM »
So let's start dreaming...
A 100-400 F4 constant, with build-in 1.4 converter (which keep the f4)..  for less than 2500 $.

could go well with a 7d markII

Heck, if we're dreaming, let's say anything L that goes over 200mm for under $2k. 
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« Reply #120 on: August 30, 2013, 09:03:01 AM »

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« Reply #121 on: August 30, 2013, 10:08:23 AM »
Yessss.   A constant aperture f4 that will take a 1.4x nicely and a 2x in a pinch.   80 vs 100 I don't care it's just a label and the difference is not that important

Its never going to be F4, why do people keep saying this. They have just released a 200-400 @£12K, Canon are not going to release a 100-400 F4 which would compete with their flagship model, and to get a similar quality in a wider zoom range would mean better engineering and therefore higher costs. So you would be looking at again another £12K lens...

just cuz, thats all :D  yes f/4 at 400 would be large and, while it wouldn't compete directly with the 200-400 without the integral TC you're probably right that they wouldn't do it - However, I could be f/4-5.6 like the present though, and still accept a 1.4 in a pinch for 5D3 and 1DX owners at least. that would keep the cost and weight down -- still another reason to avoid 400mm f/4:  The 100-400 should keep its slim figure lol

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« Reply #122 on: August 30, 2013, 11:30:29 AM »
They might be able to get away with doing a 400f4 prime with built in TC. The lack of zoom could differentiate it enough so as not to encroach on sales of the current model too much. It would be the beggars lightweight version (probably just $8,000.00 and a pound or two lighter, at which point I'd still go for the 500f4).
Practically though, an updated 400f5.6 would be best. Something that's super sharp in the middle for under $2,000 so that us crop shooters can have some decent telephoto without selling a kidney.
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« Reply #123 on: August 30, 2013, 12:06:28 PM »
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A 100-400 F4 constant, with build-in 1.4 converter (which keep the f4)..  for less than 2500 $

a lens like that would cost 15K at least...

Just a dream ;)

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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #124 on: August 30, 2013, 12:20:25 PM »
http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/11/new-ef-s-lenses-are-coming-cr2/

On European market the price for EF-s 17-55 and ef-s 10-22 dramaticly droped down, abouth month ago ,is straight signal that these lenses wil be replaced with the new one , and may be new fish -eye for APS-C come.
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« Reply #125 on: August 30, 2013, 12:22:26 PM »
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A 100-400 F4 constant, with build-in 1.4 converter (which keep the f4)..  for less than 2500 $

a lens like that would cost 15K at least...

Just a dream ;)

not only that, a 1.4x converter "which keep the f4" is impossible.  Moreover, a constant f/4 100-400 with built in 1.4x would be a more complex design and more expensive than the present-day 200-400 f/4 with built in 1.4x!!!!

I agree completely that a constant f/4 100-400 isn't going to happen;   The present day 100-400 fills a need for a lightweight tele zoom that would be impossible to accomplish with constant f/4.  It is f/5.6 at 400mm for a reason:  to keep the size and weight down.  now then, if they updated the 100-400 f/4-5.6 to match the IQ performance of the 70-200 f/2.8,  it would still command a high price because of the greater zoom ratio (a 4:1 zoom is no small acheivement).  I'd expect $2K minimum, maybe $3K. 

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« Reply #126 on: August 30, 2013, 07:31:07 PM »
An awful lot of the "Big Whites" have been upgraded to version II with incredible optics.... but not the 800F5.6 or the 400F5.6. Both are long overdue. Also, the 100-400F5.6 is long overdue for an upgrade. If I had to rate in terms of probability, i'd say 800F5.6, 100-400, 400F5.6...

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« Reply #127 on: August 30, 2013, 09:28:33 PM »
An awful lot of the "Big Whites" have been upgraded to version II with incredible optics.... but not the 800F5.6 or the 400F5.6. Both are long overdue. Also, the 100-400F5.6 is long overdue for an upgrade. If I had to rate in terms of probability, i'd say 800F5.6, 100-400, 400F5.6...

The 800 has only been out for 5 years. The 300, 400, 500, and 600 version IIs replaced lenses that were introduced twelve years earlier. I don't think there will be an update of the 800 terribly soon.

The 400 f/5.6, the 300 f/4 and the 100-400 are from 1993, 1997 & 1998, respectively, and all need to be refreshed, if for nothing else than IS & AF updates.
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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #128 on: August 30, 2013, 10:06:35 PM »
An awful lot of the "Big Whites" have been upgraded to version II with incredible optics.... but not the 800F5.6 or the 400F5.6. Both are long overdue. Also, the 100-400F5.6 is long overdue for an upgrade. If I had to rate in terms of probability, i'd say 800F5.6, 100-400, 400F5.6...

The 800 has only been out for 5 years. The 300, 400, 500, and 600 version IIs replaced lenses that were introduced twelve years earlier. I don't think there will be an update of the 800 terribly soon.

The 400 f/5.6, the 300 f/4 and the 100-400 are from 1993, 1997 & 1998, respectively, and all need to be refreshed, if for nothing else than IS & AF updates.
I thought the 800 was older than that.... so I looked it up... 2008... You are right, it probably isn't going to be updated soon.

Personally, I am hoping for the 400F5.6.... I know an updated version will cost more, but it's the longest prime that is portable enough for me to pack into the backcountry. I bet it would sell well.
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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #129 on: August 30, 2013, 10:55:37 PM »
The 800 has only been out for 5 years. The 300, 400, 500, and 600 version IIs replaced lenses that were introduced twelve years earlier. I don't think there will be an update of the 800 terribly soon.

I'm not sure I agree.  The 600 II really obviates the 800L - the 600 II + 1.4xIII gives 840mm f/5.6 that's lighter and cheaper, and still delivers better IQ.  Same for the 600 II + 2x vs. 800L + 1.4x.

There are good reasons that Art Morris sold his 800L and now uses the 600 II instead, and I really can't imagine Canon is selling many (any?) 800's any more. 

Add to that the fact that Nikon is launching an 800/5.6 with fluorite and some very impressive MTF curves.

These big lenses are tough and expensive to design - but Canon has shown no reluctance to pass those costs on to customers (and the price of the Nikon 800mm gives Canon plenty of headroom on price).

It may be a while before we see an 800 actually available, but I expect they'll at least announce its development (and likely avoid mentioning a release time frame, they don't need more egg on their faces!)
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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #130 on: August 30, 2013, 11:49:27 PM »
The 800 has only been out for 5 years. The 300, 400, 500, and 600 version IIs replaced lenses that were introduced twelve years earlier. I don't think there will be an update of the 800 terribly soon.

I'm not sure I agree.  The 600 II really obviates the 800L - the 600 II + 1.4xIII gives 840mm f/5.6 that's lighter and cheaper, and still delivers better IQ.  Same for the 600 II + 2x vs. 800L + 1.4x.

There are good reasons that Art Morris sold his 800L and now uses the 600 II instead, and I really can't imagine Canon is selling many (any?) 800's any more. 

Add to that the fact that Nikon is launching an 800/5.6 with fluorite and some very impressive MTF curves.

These big lenses are tough and expensive to design - but Canon has shown no reluctance to pass those costs on to customers (and the price of the Nikon 800mm gives Canon plenty of headroom on price).

It may be a while before we see an 800 actually available, but I expect they'll at least announce its development (and likely avoid mentioning a release time frame, they don't need more egg on their faces!)
I know it needs replacement to compete, but I thought that Canon was swamped in their production of really big fluorite elements and that was the reason for slow delivery times for the 200-400.... I sort of thought that it would be coming in a year or two... once production caught up... with the remote possibility of it having the built-in extender like the 200-400. That would certainly be a "big announcement"...... but until they catch up on the 200-400's I would expect the 100-400F5.6 and the 400F5.6, with their somewhat smaller optics and much higher sales numbers, to be more likely...

Of course, this is all guessing.... I'm probably wrong, but hey, it's a guess :)
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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #131 on: August 31, 2013, 02:30:43 AM »
If it is a "big lens" announcement, the 100-400 is what 1st popped into my mind. If it is a big "lens announcement", maybe the 14-24 or 50mm. Many canon users have been begging for these to be either replaced or created (14-24) for a good while, at least on canon rumors. Does canon read cr?
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« Reply #132 on: August 31, 2013, 05:10:36 AM »
Does canon read cr?
Canon has somewhere in the region of 200,000 employees. Some of them will read CR (I've spoken to Canon sales reps who do), but as to whether the people who have any say about product direction read it, your guess is as good as mine.
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« Reply #133 on: September 01, 2013, 01:07:18 AM »
Canon announces EF 2 mount - backward compatible with current bodies but with promise of MF and compatible with 1.4 flip down extender and TS attachment.   All new bodies starting in 205 will require lens with there the EF 2 mount

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Re: A Big Lens Announcement in September? [CR1]
« Reply #134 on: September 01, 2013, 03:34:20 PM »
Canon has just announced price cuts on the EF-S 17-55mm 2.8 and the EF-S 10-22 wide angle. Could be a sign, or it could be coincidence. Certainly both lenses could use an update/upgrade.
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