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Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« on: September 08, 2013, 04:03:55 PM »
As promised on my one of my other threads about the 70D (yes the one that got ugly) here are my findings about both cameras. I appreciate all of your inputs and any suggestions for future improvements are welcome, enjoy!

http://youtu.be/bOM4r1gxsbs

The 70D's moire & low light focusing are it's weak points. Wish it had a head phone jack, but other than that....holy wow, the 70D is a GREAT camera. 

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 09:47:18 PM »
Thanks for the review.  Highly informative and balanced.

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 10:16:01 PM »
Thank you Orbits!

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 10:25:51 PM »
Hey
Thanks alot.
I enjoy the video and wish you best luck with your business!!!

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 10:36:42 PM »
Great review, very thorough!
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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 10:53:03 PM »
Awesome review one of the best I have seen.


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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2013, 12:25:37 AM »
Great job on these videos, which obviously must have taken tons of time. 
When CaNikon comparisons are done, it must not be just me wishing to stuff the Nikon sensor into Canon body  ;)

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2013, 04:10:12 AM »
Hi Michael ... nice to have you back on CR ... that is one hell of an AWSOME intro 8) 8) 8)
Very nice review, well balanced, precise and factual. Although I am primarily a Canon shooter I shoot with Nikon D7100 for bird photography (something I recently got into) ... the main reason for choosing D7100 over Canon is for the extra crop factor, also I am not a high fps person, my photographs of birds are more deliberate and I don't shoot more than 3 or 4 shots in burst mode. I recently had a chance to play with the 70D and noticed the same things you did (of course not as thorougly as you did).

PS. After seeing this review, I just bought the "Nikon D7100 Crash Course" video from your website (it is still downloading part 1) ... I bought it not because I thought I needed it (I kinda think I already know pretty much everything about D7100 :P) but because people like you, who put in a lot of dedication to bring out such AWESOME reviews, deserve to be supported.
Once again great job and all the best for all the good work you do.

PPS. This is for everyone on CR ... I do not work for or know Michael (as I live, several thousand miles from the US of A, in the middle east) and nor do I gain anything, from him, for saying anything nice ... having said that, it is nice for those of us (of the photography community) to support dedicated and hard working people like Micheal and Canon Rumors eg. we can use the buy from links on CR like B&H and other such stores listed on CR
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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2013, 06:32:47 AM »
Wow thank you so much for your support, everyone. I really appreciate it. Cameras and photography are all I do for a living full time.

When I was first getting started, my training videos were being pirated so frequently that I barely survived, I was selling a couple a month while the files were being distributed everywhere. It was only because of a handful of few honest supporters that also gave me referrals that I was able to survive, so I truly appreciate everyone's support where ever it comes from, so thank you very much!!

The first "epic" video I did on the Canon 6D vs the Nikon D600 took about 6-7 weeks, simply because I had never done anything like it and had to figure out what the best ways were to do things. This last one only took about 10 days, but it was non-stop during those 10 days.

Ive also gotten some important feedback from CR users, so it has been a very much win-win.

I think Rienz you must be very happy with your D7100 and I especially appreciate your support, even if the video may not help you due to your experience- it means a lot to me. The D7100 especially surprised me with its Moire performance and overall image quality. All that said, the 70D is so much FUN to use- just a great shooting experience.

If you guys have any suggestions for future testing I am all ears. I would like to do these videos when I can and make them the very best, reliable I can.
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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2013, 07:06:27 AM »
Wow thank you so much for your support, everyone. I really appreciate it. Cameras and photography are all I do for a living full time.

I think Rienz you must be very happy with your D7100 and I especially appreciate your support, even if the video may not help you due to your experience- it means a lot to me. The D7100 especially surprised me with its Moire performance and overall image quality. All that said, the 70D is so much FUN to use- just a great shooting experience.
Hi Michael, you are most welcome ... I wish I could do more or influence more people to support dedicated professionals like you ... photography is just a hobby for me but I understand the importance of supporting those who make it their profession, coz I've learned so much from professionals like you on youtube ... and it feels nice when I can buy their products (even though my contribution is very small, it still feels nice... wish I could do more).

All the best for your future videos.
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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2013, 09:21:38 AM »
Thanks a lot for this video!

In my opinion the portrait test images of the 70D look slightly sharper then the D7100. Otherwise I like the details in the whites from the D7100. Right conclusion is that it's very personal which camera is the better one for your shootings.

Offtopic: Since a few days I'm a proud owner of a 70D and really love the camera! With the 70-200 2.8 IS II it's very hard to beat by other aps-c sensor camera's. And hello to this forum! :)

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2013, 10:42:16 AM »
If you guys have any suggestions for future testing I am all ears. I would like to do these videos when I can and make them the very best, reliable I can.

I like the servo segment, which tested AF and buffer performance.  Quantifying the hit rate with outer AF points was a good feature, and seeing the Canon 19-pt AF provide better point performance than the Nikon xx-point system provides validates that the AF system is more than just the number of points.  One question that I'd like to see answered in future camera reviews is how the cameras AF'ed using off-center points with fast glass for stills.

Servo accuracy would also be nice feature in lens reviews too.  There are many sites that show resolution, bokeh, etc, but few use it for sports and then quantify servo performance (TDP usually mentions it but doesn't quantify it).

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2013, 11:37:34 AM »
Michael, thanks for the thorough review. The work that you put into it shows in the quality of the video and the insights/conclusions you presented. Well done.

A few random thoughts:

  • The moire for the 70D was as disappointing as the Nikon was impressive. :(
  • AF performance (particularly servo) of the 70D eclipses any of its weaknesses (for me).
  • For the buffer test, it would have been nice to see RAW-only performance (rather than RAW+JPEG).
  • I like the way you tested outer AF points (very useful info for me).

Anyway, thanks again for the very helpful review. I'm pretty certain the 70D will be my next camera purchase, and it's nice to know its weaknesses going into it. Its strengths (in my opinion) far outweigh the weaknesses for my purposes, and it will be a big leap forward from what I have right now.

I'm excited!

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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2013, 12:03:46 PM »
Offtopic: Since a few days I'm a proud owner of a 70D and really love the camera! With the 70-200 2.8 IS II it's very hard to beat by other aps-c sensor camera's. And hello to this forum! :)
Congratulations on your purchase of a 70D ... may it serve you well ... and WELCOME to CR.
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Re: Canon 70D vs Nikon D7100 Epic Shootout
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2013, 02:46:08 PM »
Thanks, Michael – much of that video was useful and interesting (and, if my decision were based on your review and I were in the market for an APS-C camera, I would have no hesitation choosing the Canon unless there were Nikon APS-C lenses I particularly wanted). 

A few thoughts on just one topic, for whatever they’re worth:

The problem with overall image quality comparisons made by taking a JPEG of the same model/scene in the same light etc. with two or more cameras is that while one may look obviously better than the other(s), the differences aren’t necessarily explained by any inherent feature of either camera, even assuming the same lens is attached to each (was it, by the way?). 

Take, for instance, that sickly green that the Nikon added even to things that aren’t green at all (such as the model’s skin) in your examples.  Presumably that can be fixed by adjusting the color balance in the JPEG settings by using a similar tweak to that provided by Rockwell for fixing the green bias he’s complained consistently about in the D800 and D600 since the day they were released.  I suspect each camera’s JPEG settings could be tweaked so that the results look much the same as each other in terms of tone, sharpness, noise, etc. 

In other words, all such comparisons show is how two sets of JPEG settings compare; and since each camera provides a wide range of settings to choose from, and allows you to customize each one further, I’m not sure that proves anything useful at all - except perhaps to a novice intimidated by the prospect of changing color, noise reduction, etc. settings and who wants to compare cameras based on their unaltered factory JPEG settings (are they the JPEG settings you used?).

So, I would find it more helpful if such comparisons were made via RAW files run through the same software – LR, DxO etc. -  with minimal or no tweaking.  While such software can of course be used to make the photos look as different or similar (up to a point) as you like, thereby making comparisons useless, at least if the RAW files are left untweaked or minimally tweaked (e.g. LR’s default import settings), one should get a better idea of what each camera is “really” doing.  Do the Nikon’s RAW images have the same green bias?  Does that “makeup” look you refer to go away if you look at minimally processed RAW files?  Does Canon have a high ISO advantage merely because Canon uses more aggressive noise reduction at the JPEG settings you used?  Etc.

Finally, a question: Is that green bias visible in the viewfinder and on the monitor?  A while ago I rented a D600 and a D800 and was rather put off to see that the viewfinder in each had an olive green tint, almost as though I was wearing sunglasses (same for the monitors on both).  Luckily I noticed little or no green bias in the RAW files I shot.  So I’m wondering how similar the D7100 is to the two FF cameras (I think Rockwell’s review of the D7100 said that there was no such bias on the monitor; but I would rather it were there than in the photos!).