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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2013, 11:46:13 AM »
I then went ahead and tried to (while Ettl was active) shoot at f/1.8 and it was still OVER POWERING with light.  So stopped the shutter down to f/5.6 (so basically 10X less light was going through to the sensor).  And that's fine, but again... I like the shallow depth of field.  I like the Yongnuo's... but not if they aren't going to work right.  So I am going to see if I can get an exchange and hope the next set works better. 

Seriously... am I expecting something out of the ordinary for ETTL menu to be functional immediately after turning the devices on?  It seems like an ordinary expectation.

Like PbD Like PbD said, it sounds like you're overpowering the exposure.    I’m kind of surprised, unless you’re shooting the strobe bare.  I don’t think I’ve ever bottomed out a flash when using modifiers.   Are you using a modifier?  ISO 100?

But reducing the amount of light isn’t really an issue (usually it’s the opposite), especially if you want soft light.  Just put another modifier in-between the flash and your main.  It can be anything: a translucent piece of plastic (like from a milk jug), a tissue (don’t drape it on the flash – FIRE), a piece of tracing paper, etc.  If you want hard light then just pick up a sample set of Rosco gels and use the ND filters – or buy a sheet of it.   Or move the light further away, or bounce it, etc.  You should have plenty of options no matter what look you’re going for.

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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2013, 11:46:13 AM »

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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #46 on: September 24, 2013, 10:23:54 PM »
So these are the manual flash shots... with the darkest being at 1/128 and then progressing 1/64, 1/32, etc... but I really wasn't paying all that much attention to the exact power... I was just going in that direction...
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #47 on: September 24, 2013, 10:28:38 PM »
and here is one using the yongnuo's in ettl mode... yep... looks a lot like 1/1.
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #48 on: September 24, 2013, 10:29:49 PM »
If it can do that light level in Manual, and not in ETTL (assuming you have not got FEC on) then there is something wrong with your ETTL talking, my guess would be the Yongnuo.

The cheapest way to work ETTL properly is used 550EX's. I love them and used them for years until I upgraded to the 600's. Hell I still have five 550's!
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #49 on: September 24, 2013, 10:34:31 PM »
and here is ettl mode with the yongnuo... looks like 1/1 or at least close to it.
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #50 on: September 24, 2013, 10:37:17 PM »
If it can do that light level in Manual, and not in ETTL (assuming you have not got FEC on) then there is something wrong with your ETTL talking, my guess would be the Yongnuo.

The cheapest way to work ETTL properly is used 550EX's. I love them and used them for years until I upgraded to the 600's. Hell I still have five 550's!

I think you are right about the yongs... and what annoys me is that I paid a premium to have ettl... so I can use them as simply wireless manual triggers... but I kinda don't want to out of principle.  I doubt they have a warranty, but I'm at least asking the place I bought them if there is a warranty, or a replace within this period of time, or just a return.  I knew this would be a possibility when I went cheap... but I was hopeful.
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MYSTERY SOLVED....
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2013, 11:02:39 PM »
MYSTERY SOLVED.

In short... it is the yongnuo's... but only one of them.  Only one works as a transceiver... the other only works as a receiver... So I labeled them with a black permanent marker... All things considered... not the worst thing in the world... a little annoying, but I can live with it.  Yes... yes... I should do manual everything... and I will when I have time... but when I'm "throwing" the baby in front of the camera and I know I have about 5 shots before she starts to yell... I will probably resort to ETTL. 

Actually the one that works only as a receiver... does work as a transmitter, but only for manual... so no ettl and it doesn't even transmit that I am hitting the on camera pilot... But if I'm stuck with them... I'm glad they kinda work.
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« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2013, 11:02:39 PM »

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Re: MYSTERY SOLVED....
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2013, 11:39:28 PM »
MYSTERY SOLVED.

In short... it is the yongnuo's... but only one of them.  Only one works as a transceiver... the other only works as a receiver... So I labeled them with a black permanent marker...

Get out the 1/4" plastic colored tape and do a strip around it.

We should put this thread on the 'things to consider when purchasing speedlights' faq.  Nothing against the Yongnuo's, but mix and match and having to figure it out based on model numbers just isn't my idea of fun.

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Re: MYSTERY SOLVED....
« Reply #53 on: September 25, 2013, 07:02:56 AM »
MYSTERY SOLVED.

In short... it is the yongnuo's... but only one of them.  Only one works as a transceiver... the other only works as a receiver... So I labeled them with a black permanent marker...

Get out the 1/4" plastic colored tape and do a strip around it.

We should put this thread on the 'things to consider when purchasing speedlights' faq.  Nothing against the Yongnuo's, but mix and match and having to figure it out based on model numbers just isn't my idea of fun.

Hope you found a way to reward yourself for brain teaser.

Well... both are transceivers... well supposed to be.  So one of them is broken... but it could easily be one of them not working as a full transmitter/receiver... but without another to test, I'm not sure which one is to blame.
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #54 on: October 04, 2013, 08:43:42 PM »
look at a canon ex90 it will master control your other flash
give full ettl and hss is cheap and does have enough power to give that extra fill you are chasing
they are also tiny weight next to nothing and take up little space in the bag
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #55 on: October 04, 2013, 10:12:14 PM »
look at a canon ex90 it will master control your other flash
give full ettl and hss is cheap and does have enough power to give that extra fill you are chasing
they are also tiny weight next to nothing and take up little space in the bag

I thought about that, but I didn't want to go back to triggering my off camera flash with another speedlite like I did with my 60D.  Actually, the yongnuo's weren't that bad, when they worked.
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2013, 11:14:05 PM »
look at a canon ex90 it will master control your other flash
give full ettl and hss is cheap and does have enough power to give that extra fill you are chasing
they are also tiny weight next to nothing and take up little space in the bag

I thought about that, but I didn't want to go back to triggering my off camera flash with another speedlite like I did with my 60D.  Actually, the yongnuo's weren't that bad, when they worked.

i thought you wanted the fill flash too? or did you mean additional off camera fill flash?
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Re: Cheap manual flash to use for fill lighting...
« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2013, 11:14:05 PM »