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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2013, 12:01:14 PM »
Just to add to the choir ...

With the lenses you have, there is no point looking at any other lens than the 1.2LII, unless you would consider a manual focus Zeiss. I love this lens, but it is also my biggest frustration. If you buy it, practice, practice and practice. If you just use it every now and then, you will have loads of sharp noses, or ears and eyes OOF etc. But if you use it regularly, and learn how it works, you will be handsomely rewarded.

I hope Canon will make a version III, primarily with improved AF speed, but also without the focus-by-wire - electronic manual focusing, which requires the camera to be powered on for manual focus to work. That feels a bit dinosaurian and irritates me every time.

 I'll usually put to focus point on the eye and then re  compose...  would you suggest an alternative technique?
With the 1DX and 5DIII I use center focus point, with 8 supporting points and move the focus point to as close to where in the image I want focus to, to have as little post focus lock movement as possible. If you lock on the center focus point and a recompose requires too much movement, you may still get OOF results. Pi or Neuro posted an article which explains this well, but I don´t remember which thread. If any of you read this, please repost.

If I need to use AI servo, I always use the 1DX, for its superior tracking capability. And that is when practice is required.

But for me, it took some time before I really absorbed the way this lens works and could use it efficiently and effectively. I also find that, if I havn´t used it for a while, I need a bit of "get in the 1.2LII mood" time ;)

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2013, 12:01:14 PM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2013, 12:11:46 PM »
Just to add to the choir ...

With the lenses you have, there is no point looking at any other lens than the 1.2LII, unless you would consider a manual focus Zeiss. I love this lens, but it is also my biggest frustration. If you buy it, practice, practice and practice. If you just use it every now and then, you will have loads of sharp noses, or ears and eyes OOF etc. But if you use it regularly, and learn how it works, you will be handsomely rewarded.

I hope Canon will make a version III, primarily with improved AF speed, but also without the focus-by-wire - electronic manual focusing, which requires the camera to be powered on for manual focus to work. That feels a bit dinosaurian and irritates me every time.

 I'll usually put to focus point on the eye and then re  compose...  would you suggest an alternative technique?

Dear Sir.
For my 5D MK II with EF 85 mm F/ 1.2 L MK II--- I have no problem about auto focus in my Portrait Photography---Yes, I know the weak point of AF speed of  this Beautiful Monster Lens, But , I set up the One spot AF at the center of the viewfinder, and Lock/ One point AF at the Eyes of the Model, Push half Shutter and move the Camera until I like the composition, and just fully press the shutter= I get  the best focus of my beautiful model in every times.
Nice to talk to you, Sir.
Surapon

PS, The 3 Rd. Photo of the model = 400% Crop from the original photo , to show the good AF of one spot focus at the eye of the model.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #32 on: October 03, 2013, 01:04:39 PM »
IMO, the choice of 85 depends on the use. I have no experience with Sigma, but 85L and 85/1.8 are two different tools for two different jobs due to different AF speed. Yes, there is also IQ difference but if your AF is not fast enough for the job then IQ is not going to help much. I have 85/1.8 and i love it on FF. It was a good lens on a crop body, but it shines on FF. I love it for AF speed, small size and low cost, so I carry it quite often - trips, casual shoots, outdoor kids shoots, etc, etc. Yes, there is FL overlap with 70-200 but due to weight and size difference, the 70-200 is hardly a casual lens which you would just throw into your bag next time you go for a walk in the park with kids or go on a beach vacation. I would also think twice before I take 85L to all those places. Might be missing shots due to slow AF and might also have concerns regarding safety of the lens - the replacement cost is substantial. So yeah, I would start thinking about this purchase from the usage angle first. Just my 2c
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #33 on: October 03, 2013, 01:55:25 PM »
Forget about Sigma, their 85 is a simply crap.

And what makes you say that? Do unqualified remarks like this help anyone?

I could've bought the Canon f1.2 but got the Sigma instead. Superb lens, great results (I've posted many portrait shots taken wide open on this site). Yes, focus at f1.4 is critical but do you really think every shot ever taken with the Canon is a keeper?

Perhaps I got lucky with my copy of the lens but it's naive to think Sigma can't make quality lenses. If they were that bad, would they stay in business?

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #34 on: October 03, 2013, 02:05:29 PM »
For me, if I am not shooting moving subjects, I strongly prefer the Zeiss lens. When the subjects are moving I switch over to the 70-200mm II for the autofocus. The best of both worlds!

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #35 on: October 03, 2013, 02:33:40 PM »
I have the Sigma 85 f/1.4 and have used it to take go karting pictures so the focus is ok for that. My keeper rate for that event was lower than I would have liked but I screwed up by using expanded focus points rather than a single point on a moving target with lots of contrasting crap in the background. Overall I'm quite pleased by it.

I had the Canon 85/1.8 - lower cost, faster focusing, smaller size but the purple/green fringing drove me to trade it in against the S85.

Evey lens is a compromise between price, build and performance - you have to determine which compromise is best for the way you're going to use the lens.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2013, 03:16:10 PM »
If you want to buy soon, my vote goes to the f/1.2, for the following reasons:

The f/1.8 isn't great wide open; it's appreciably better stopped down to f/2.8. So, apart from the lens's compactness, it's of marginal use to you with your zoom that's already sharp at f/2.8.

Most things said about the Sigma are complimentary. The trouble is, it's only a matter of time before they re-release the 85mm f/1.4 as an Art lens, with its better quality assurance, sleek design, perhaps an even better optical formula, plus fine-tunability via the dock. The only question is, when?

For now, that leaves the very desirable f/1.2.

If you're not in a hurry, you could wait to see how Sigma's 85mm Art lens turns out but with no hint of a release on the horizon, how long you'd have to wait is anyone's guess.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #36 on: October 03, 2013, 03:16:10 PM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #37 on: October 03, 2013, 03:42:06 PM »
Like some others have already said, looking at your current set up I think you'll probably only be satisfied with the 1.2.  If you got the Sigma or the 1.8 I'm sure you'd be able to take some great pictures but you'd always have that thought in the back of your mind that the 1.2 might be just a little better.  I love that lens and glad that I spent the money to get it.  I don't think you'll be disappointed at all.  Plus if get the Sigma or the 1.8 then the new lens will feel left out because it doesn't have a red ring like your other lenses... and that would just be mean.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #38 on: October 03, 2013, 04:21:57 PM »
Forget about Sigma, their 85 is a simply crap.

And what makes you say that? Do unqualified remarks like this help anyone?

I could've bought the Canon f1.2 but got the Sigma instead. Superb lens, great results (I've posted many portrait shots taken wide open on this site). Yes, focus at f1.4 is critical but do you really think every shot ever taken with the Canon is a keeper?

Perhaps I got lucky with my copy of the lens but it's naive to think Sigma can't make quality lenses. If they were that bad, would they stay in business?
Sigma 85 comparing Canon 85 1.2 is crap. period.
talking about business: price for Sigma makes it alive; most people can't afford Canon's primes.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #39 on: October 03, 2013, 06:16:20 PM »
Personally I don't have the patience to work with ultra shallow DOF, I need a high percentage of keepers and with a flowing shooting style that rarely delivers the magic with static situations, f/1.4 or f/1.2 on an 85 just won't cut it.

You can have as large DOF at f/1.2 as you want, for example, 1m.

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #40 on: October 03, 2013, 07:04:47 PM »
I have the 70-200 2.8 II and the 85 1.2
In my opinion the 70-200 is much more flexible and gives great portraits .
The 85 1.2 is a specialised lens. Shooting at 1.2 is difficult. The depth of field is very thin.
It's a risky lens to use compared to a 70-200mm. The focusing is slowish and easily out of focus if either you or the subject budges an inch. It's easier to use stepped down but then you may as well buy the excellent 1.8.
My conclusion 70-200mm expensive but worth it
85mm 1.2 expensive not really worth it (but you do get some amazing shots with it.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #41 on: October 04, 2013, 03:08:23 AM »
the canon 85 L II is not 3 times better than the sigma 85

I closely evaluated the 2 on a 5Dmk2 when i made the  purchase
AF on the 5D was significantly slower on the canon than the sigma
this went a long way to making me go with the siggy on a 1D body
the AF is said to be faster but I didn't bother to test mine.

wide open the canon is slightly sharper in the center at 1.2 than the siggy is at 1.4
however this is only noticable at 100% crop or more and you wont see anything in real life images other than the canon also has smoother creamier bokeh

the canon is much larger physically, it is very impressive... it looks super awesome but you also have to carry and pack it


both lenses have a little purple fringing wide open but nothing like the amounts seen on the canon 1.8
by f2 on both the L and the sigma the purple is basically gone
by f2 both lenses are equally sharp
at f2 either lens is noticably sharper than a 70-200 f2.8L II at f2.8
f2 is a real sweet spot for either lens

my sigma was heavily front focusing when i got it, i sent it back they calibrated it and i had it back 4 days later and its been pretty much spot on ever since tested on 7 bodies including rebels with no AFMA

I rule out the 85 1.8 because its old, has heaps of purple and is no where near as good as the sigma

while making your decision think about this you can get a sigma 85, sigma 35 and a canon 135L for the same price of the  85LII :D

oh I forgot to add that i feel sigma will give this lens an overhaul soon, so given the glass you currently have I would say wait and get none and see what awesomeness the new sigma brings, if its like the 35 i'm gonna be all over it

I also hardly use my 70-200 anymore since getting the 85 1.4 and especially now i have the 135L too

Still for runway fashion the 70-200 II from canon is king i have contemplated the sigma 120-300 for this use too.
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2013, 03:36:07 AM »
I'm really curious why people check sharpeners of 85 1.2 and compare it to any other 85 while bokeh of Canon's prime is something million times better than anything else?

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #42 on: October 04, 2013, 03:36:07 AM »

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #43 on: October 04, 2013, 03:59:49 AM »
dont think its a million times better
its not even 3 times better to reflect the nutty price tag
it is a little better

but AF speed on a non 1D body is a big factor also physical size and coupled with the monster price difference....
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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2013, 04:15:24 AM »
dont think its a million times better
its not even 3 times better to reflect the nutty price tag
it is a little better

but AF speed on a non 1D body is a big factor also physical size and coupled with the monster price difference....
from artistic point of view - it is significantly better. but, yes, art is a question of taste ;)

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Re: 85mm prime recommendation
« Reply #44 on: October 04, 2013, 04:15:24 AM »