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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 09:10:42 AM »
What about the Tamron 70-200 VC?

 never used it...  can't say.
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 09:10:42 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 09:50:18 AM »
Go for the 135mm f2L.

A few reasons why:

You have 20Mp at your disposal.  You can crop a hell of a lot and still get images usable for most purposes, provided said images are sharp etc.

F2 gives your af a huge helping hand.  Massive helping hand.  Regardless of your shooting aperture.

Zooms distract.  I got better pics with my 200 f2.8L than I get with my 70-200 f2.8L.  You spend less time doubting your choice, and more time tracking and giving AiServo the best chance of the shot.

Seriously, 135mm f2L.  Grrrrreat lens.  I would prefer a shot from a 135mm cropped than a shot from a 70-300 taken at f5.6 full size (f5.6 being the max aperture at the 300mm end, with attendant negative effect on AF)

It's also handy to have f2.0 as a shooting option, no matter how high ISO your camera has.  It's 3 extra shutter stops over a 300mm at f5.6, all other things being equal.  For sports that is good.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 10:13:13 AM »
This would be a setup for indoor/outdoor sports! It would be highschool football, volleyball, and water polo.

Shooting on a 6D!

Tamron 70-300 VC and Canon 135mm F2
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Tamron 70-200 F2.8 VC

I feel like the 70-300 would give a lot of flexibility in terms of focal length for outdoor sports.

As others have mentioned, I also would not recommend shooting sports with the 6D due to it's slower fps and 9 AF points.  If budget is a factor then I recommend looking at the 7D or a used 1D mk3 or 4.  But if you're sole camera is the 6D then it's a moot point.

As for the lens, I suggest the 70-200 f2.8 VC because you'll need it for indoor sports.  If the focal length isn't far enough, then you could possibly get a 1.4 teleconverter that would stop the lens down to f/4.
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 12:38:31 PM »
wierd post to be reading;  I have a 2ti and a 6D and take pictures of kids and family for the most part including sports such as indoor basketball and soccer and outdoor soccer.   I have tried all sorts of combinations.  First I should say that if you just use the center point the 6D is not bad for focusing and is better than the 2ti and light years better than my xti.  The 6D's other advantage is the ability to stop action since you can increase the iso...as high as 12000 and have pictures that are pretty good.  I have a 70-200 mark II and this is great for indoor action.  I assume the tamron would be as well.  the 2.8 though is pretty important since lighting can be terrible. 

As for outdoor sports I have used the 70-200 with a 1.4 extender and I've used the 100-400.  The latter is probably a little better for soccer because of the difference in range...especially with larger fields but there could be a debate  (I rented a 300 2.8 I for a weekend...wow that was awesome).  the 100-400 is worthless from evening on...especially if it's overcast because you just can't stop action.  Then you have to decide 70-200 or nothing. 

Therefore, if I can only get one lens I would get the 70-200 since it will allow you the ability to do the most and it is also a great lens for taking pictures of kids at events etc. 

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2013, 06:36:10 PM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 09:04:39 PM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

I think all of us said that f/2.8 is a minimum.  F/2 is better.  Do you really think more reach and less light is the right decision?
Upgrade  path.->means the former was sold for the latter.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 10:05:04 PM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

I think all of us said that f/2.8 is a minimum.  F/2 is better.  Do you really think more reach and less light is the right decision?
Well, at what I can afford right now....yes.  :-[


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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 10:35:39 PM »
Maybe its just the web render but the last shot of the guy jumping to grab the foot ball is all blury.

I do the same types of shoots, I use a 7d with usually  300f2.8 on one and a 70-200f2.8 on the other.  Near the end I drop the 300 and put on a 17-40 to get close in shots after the game wish I had a fisheye for that.

you need faster frame rate or just luck with the 6d

I'm also looking at the 400f2.8 to,add next summer and a third body.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2013, 04:17:25 AM »
Right now I could get a 1D Mark II for $280....

I'm pretty sure this destroys my 6D in terms of FPS and AF ability (Tracking), but is it worth it?

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2013, 05:29:49 AM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

Dude, which part of our advice led you to this choice?? The tamron is just going to annoy you as f/5.6 at the long end with blurry images and poor AF accuracy is gonna just kill all the fun. You'll end up trying to sell it after 2 days.

Buy something decent now. Not later. I would rather shoot with my 70-200 f/4 IS and just crop tight rather than use the tamron at 300mm. It's that bad. I have a shot of the moon that proves this. (Somewhere!).
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2013, 05:46:34 AM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

I think all of us said that f/2.8 is a minimum.  F/2 is better.  Do you really think more reach and less light is the right decision?
Well, at what I can afford right now....yes.  :-[

I implore you not to buy the slow telezoom.  It'll be on ebay after your first game. 

A little more money spent now (say on a used 200mm f2.8L) will make a world of difference.

Pay cheap, pay twice. 

There is a lot of gear snobbery on these forums, and it's all very easy for folk with big deep pockets to tell you to spend lots of money for the best results.  And whilst they are generally right, they also generally lack self-awareness.

Not everybody has big deep pockets.  Not everybody with deep pockets wants to empty them in a camera shop.

I don't have big deep pockets, and I'm not suggesting you go nuts with the visa card either, i'm just trying to suggest decent ways forward that will suit the money you've allocated for this job.

A used 200mm f2.8L II isn't a vast stretch, but is a different world in terms of capabilities.

AF needs light to work, so bright lenses really are best, especially as ALL canon DSLRS have centre spots that work even better with fast lenses, this includes the T2i and the 6D.

Putting a slow lens on either of these cameras is going to handicap them.  With a fast lens they should be able to do a good job. 

I'm not a gear snob, I've just walked this path.

I can guarantee that you'll be back a week after buying the slow telezoom asking 'what now?'

Save yourself that week, and save yourself the money you'll chuck away.   I don't have shares in canon so my only interest here is stopping a fellow 'tog making the mistakes I once made.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2013, 06:01:50 AM »
Buy cheap, buy twice.

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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2013, 07:31:19 AM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!


I think all of us said that f/2.8 is a minimum.  F/2 is better.  Do you really think more reach and less light is the right decision?

Well, at what I can afford right now....yes.  :-[


Thgmuffin....check this link out for a comparison of the tamron 70-300 at 300 vs canon 70-200 with a 1.4x at 280mm

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=757&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=1&LensComp=103&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=5&APIComp=3

The canon will focus faster and it's clearly sharper.

Also, the tamron lens will be almost worthless in 10 years, but the canon will still be worth $750 ballpark....so what's the better choice financially when you consider that the canon also will give you much better pictures?

This is my suggestion:
1. Used 70-200 2.8 ....you need 2.8 for indoor sports. NEED. 
2. Buy a 1.4x extender.  Now you have a 98-280 f4 for field sports....and if the lighting is poor at a night football game you can still get great shots with just a 70-200 at 2.8.  (You'll just get less of them, but trust me, I've shot plenty of football and the 70-200 works just fine.

3. Work on your editing.  99% of sport shots require some editing.   Cropping, sharpening, and the light.

With the three shots you posted I took the liberty of doing a 2 minute edit on a couple of them.
Workflow...
1. Straighten
2. Crop
3. Light changes and contrast
4. Sharpen and detail

Jdramirez and Paul walnuts both offered some solid advice....and I agree....don't buy a tamron 70-300 for sports

With the first pic I would normally crop tighter, but didn't have enough pixels to do it, which sometimes happens.  That's when I try to crop less and tell more of a story with the shot....with this one I wanted to leave the goalpost in the picture to show that it's a possible touchdown catch.

Edited and then the original.   (done with free software on an iPad)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 10:33:46 AM by Northstar »
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Re: Which setup would you have?
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2013, 07:39:10 AM »
Straightening, cropping, contrast and light changes.

Edited and then the original.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2013, 07:52:09 AM by Northstar »
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Re: Which setup would you have?
« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2013, 07:56:52 AM »
Right now I am going to buy the 70-300 VC, I then will buy a prime(s) down the line...

I'll update the thread on how the performance is this Friday!

I think all of us said that f/2.8 is a minimum.  F/2 is better.  Do you really think more reach and less light is the right decision?
Well, at what I can afford right now....yes.  :-[

I can guarantee that you'll be back a week after buying the slow telezoom asking 'what now?'

Save yourself that week, and save yourself the money you'll chuck away.   I don't have shares in canon so my only interest here is stopping a fellow 'tog making the mistakes I once made.

+100. I hate spending money on stuff but eventually learned that getting quality gear will save you more money in the end. The tamron will end up on ebay and you'll be down $100.

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2013, 07:56:52 AM »