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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2013, 10:31:08 PM »
If nobody bought the 24-105L at $1149 then why would anyone list it at that price?

I'm sure it does sell at that price... or else why would it get restocked?

At the $650 price we've seen for the 24-105, it tells me that people no longer see the kits (body + 24-105) as being a good buy. This may be because there are lots who just want a body or the prevailing opinion is that it is better to get whichever body plus some other lens and that money is wasted on the 24-105.

Then there's the thread on here asking "just how bad is the 24-105".

So I think it is clear that Canon's lens has developed a bit of a reputation...

Why wouldn't you spend a $100 or so more for the 24-70/f4IS? Beceause the extra zoom 70-105, makes a huge difference.

Sure, it is a pity the Sigma lens isn't weather sealed but most people quit taking photographs long before conditions are such that weather sealing is necessary.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2013, 10:41:31 PM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.

also gets compromised near 24mm, it's a mess on FF at the edges for finely detailed landscape stuff and also tosses lots of PF, even at f/8, on landscape stuff at 24mm under tricky conditions

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2013, 02:07:33 AM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It won't ever hit $650.  And the Canon is worthy of being an L, most definitely.  Just because it gets more compromised past about 70mm, and has a good bit of barrel distortion at 24mm, is no reason to say it's not worthy of being an L.  It has loads of contrast and nice color...the IS works fairly well.  It's probably heavier than it should be, but it's a decade old design now, or almost.

also gets compromised near 24mm, it's a mess on FF at the edges for finely detailed landscape stuff and also tosses lots of PF, even at f/8, on landscape stuff at 24mm under tricky conditions

Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.  The CA is no worse, and possibly better than the one I rented a year ago.  It's not perfect, but for the price and zoom range, it's quite nice.  All other zooms that start at 24mm have a hefty amount of barrel distortion at 24mm, including both new and old Canon f/2.8's, the Tamron 2.8...the Sigma 2.8...and on and on.  The Tokina 16-28 f/2.8 has essentially zero distortion at 24mm.  My Sigma 24mm f/1.8 has like 1.7% barrel distortion, so it's a lot lower than the Canon 24-105 (at 24mm...but by 35mm there's zero distortion on the Canon 24-105). 

Will be interesting to see how well this new Sigma f/4 zoom compares.  One thing I do like, is the way the outer lens body looks on these "art" lenses.  They finally got an industrial stylist/designer that knew what they were doing!  Definitely artsy...
« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 02:09:34 AM by CarlTN »

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #33 on: October 26, 2013, 03:57:42 AM »
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing. But I do not see Sigma 24-105 as a "challenger" to Canon, because of its uncompetitive pricing ... but if the lens is really good it could give some headache to Nikon & Sony. Generally the quality of Sigma zoom lenses are not on par with Canon & Nikon zoom lenses, that has been my experience with having owned 6 Sigma zoom lenses and having used the new 17-70 f/2.8-f/4 lens. I still have 2 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses which are very good but not as good as Canon 100-400 L IS or the new 80-400 VR II ... but Sigma's advantage there was the pricing ... you can buy 3 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses for the price of 1 Nikon 80-400 VR II lens or 1 Sigma lens and have at least $500+ savings for the price of 1 Canon 100-400 L IS lens. But what I see here with this Sigma 24-105 OS is that there is no price advantage over the Canon equivalent.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #34 on: October 26, 2013, 04:30:29 AM »
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing.

and recently the optic quality too
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #35 on: October 26, 2013, 04:46:13 AM »
Never been impressed with the Canon 24-105mm L.  It's good but not worthy of 'L' status IMO.  So I'm very interested in this lens.  At an eventual street price of $650 more or less, it will be very interesting.  And great to have a worthy alternative to Canon.

It will take a loooong time before this new lens hits that price! The 35 1.4 hasn't budged much in price since day one. At the most it will drop $100. All recent Sigma lenses seem to be priced around the same $800 ish mark. It's still a lot of money for some, especially considering there is no weather sealing.

I'm relatively happy with the Canon version, bought it 2nd hand. Weather sealing and 77mm filter thread is more useful for me so I'll stick. Interesting prospect though for those looking at buying a general purpose zoom right now. A 6D or 5D3 with this thing would likely be a winning combo!

I agree with ZV....the price on this new Sigma is not going to drop to $650 anytime soon...sounds like it is very fairly priced in the $800 range.....I sold my Canon version and bought the 24-70mm f/2.8 II which is overpriced but great....IQ on it blows the 24-105mm away...but damn do I miss that extra reach...it is considerable!
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2013, 06:48:49 AM »
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing.

and recently the optic quality too
True ... but the vast majority would have not bought those "quality" Sigma lenses if they were priced like the Canon and Nikon lenses. ;) ... hence Sigma's biggest strength is their pricing (except for this 24-105 OS)
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2013, 01:09:01 PM »
Well, technically Canon could do an about face on policy tomorrow, stop honoring repairs on lenses not bought from authorized dealers (like Nikon), and you'd be screwed. Or, they could stop honoring warranties on items not purchased via authorized channels. That's unlikely, but, there is more than just ink that makes the difference. I wouldnt pay hundreds more for that difference. But, Amazon was just selling the authorized version for $699, so I'd go that route and pay the extra $60 no doubt. Especially for the risk you get a lens that is misaligned or has something DOA.

If something is misaligned or the lens is DOA, you should return it to the vendor.  Warranties are not for initial product failures.  They're to cover you after the store's return period.

You should never repair a brand new product.  That's tantamount to paying new prices for a refurbished item.  If you're going to get a refurbished item, you should pay refurbished prices.  If you pay for a new item, you should get a new item in working condition.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2013, 01:21:07 PM »
Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.

Purple fringing.  It occurs in areas of high contrast with some lenses, particularly when you have something dark in front of a blue sky.  I've never noticed an objectionable amount of PF with this lens, personally, but opinions may vary.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2013, 02:37:45 PM »
Well, technically Canon could do an about face on policy tomorrow, stop honoring repairs on lenses not bought from authorized dealers (like Nikon), and you'd be screwed. Or, they could stop honoring warranties on items not purchased via authorized channels. That's unlikely, but, there is more than just ink that makes the difference. I wouldnt pay hundreds more for that difference. But, Amazon was just selling the authorized version for $699, so I'd go that route and pay the extra $60 no doubt. Especially for the risk you get a lens that is misaligned or has something DOA.

If something is misaligned or the lens is DOA, you should return it to the vendor.  Warranties are not for initial product failures.  They're to cover you after the store's return period.

You should never repair a brand new product.  That's tantamount to paying new prices for a refurbished item.  If you're going to get a refurbished item, you should pay refurbished prices.  If you pay for a new item, you should get a new item in working condition.

+1

and for other types of stuff make that +100, the two times I relied on the manufacturer's warranty for initial problems instead of doing a store exchange man oh man oh man was I ever sorry, never again!!!!!!!

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2013, 02:40:22 PM »
Mine only gets very soft in two of the extreme outer corners at 24mm, at wide aperture.  I don't know what "PF" is.

Purple fringing.  It occurs in areas of high contrast with some lenses, particularly when you have something dark in front of a blue sky.  I've never noticed an objectionable amount of PF with this lens, personally, but opinions may vary.

fine branches up against clouds or a white sky and when the clouds and sky have to be exposed very brightly, the 24-105 can toss heaps of nasty PF all over; the 24-70 f/4 IS does that MUCH less and the 24-70 II is crazy resistant to that and more or less APO.

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2013, 09:52:28 AM »
The canon version is old technology.
I rented one for a week and had terrible results. Accurate Focusing was a big problem for me. Maybe a faulty lens, who knows. But enough to make me not even consider it.
I Own a 24-70 III which is Perfect, but I find it short sometimes. I am used to the range so going to a 70-200 is too much.
A 24-105 F2.8 would be amazing.  Maybe sigma
Will deliver someday.
For now, this one seems like a winner. The price is right and the lens actually rotates like a canon, not a Nikon, which was a problem for me in the past.
Sigma is doing their homework and they are impressing a lot of people.
Let's see how the reviews go...
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2013, 02:16:43 PM »
>The canon version is old technology.

So is Leica ;)

>I Own a 24-70 III which is Perfect

You do? I guess this was a typo, wasn't it?

For my taste the 24-105 IS is too big for daily use... I often used the 24-85 3.5-4.5 USM, which nearly no one seems to remember anymore. The size and weight is stunning and the results are, let me say, good for the fast capture. With DXO-afterprocess the results are really quite good. So, the only thing I *MISS* is the weatherproof and maybe the IS, but the IS is just a feature for me.

The point is that recent SIGMA lensen, with quite a fantastic IQ, are lacking the weathersealed features... this is a shame. Maybe this sounds like a small missing feature, but in fact THIS IS SOMETHING I need on the Street. NOT just for rain, for dust too. I really hope the 24-105 will be sealed.
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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2013, 06:10:05 PM »
I like this price.

Why? Because to me it indicates that this lens will have higher image quality than Canon's 24-105mm IS.

I LOVE my Canon 24-105mm IS, and I've tried to use better lenses with better IQ, but I still have that lens on my camera most of the time due to the convenience and the ideal focal range. If the Sigma is even marginally better than I will buy it instantly full price with no questions asked. :)

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Re: Sigma 24-105 f/4 DG OS Gets its Price
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2013, 02:38:42 PM »
Sigma's biggest strength has always been and continue to be their pricing. But I do not see Sigma 24-105 as a "challenger" to Canon, because of its uncompetitive pricing ... but if the lens is really good it could give some headache to Nikon & Sony. Generally the quality of Sigma zoom lenses are not on par with Canon & Nikon zoom lenses, that has been my experience with having owned 6 Sigma zoom lenses and having used the new 17-70 f/2.8-f/4 lens. I still have 2 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses which are very good but not as good as Canon 100-400 L IS or the new 80-400 VR II ... but Sigma's advantage there was the pricing ... you can buy 3 Sigma 150-500 OS lenses for the price of 1 Nikon 80-400 VR II lens or 1 Sigma lens and have at least $500+ savings for the price of 1 Canon 100-400 L IS lens. But what I see here with this Sigma 24-105 OS is that there is no price advantage over the Canon equivalent.

You're living in the ancient past. Sigma's primary motivation now is image quality not price.

Sigma has been releasing lenses that blow their competitors out of the water in quality at around or slightly below their competitors prices:

If you have any doubts take a look at these real world samples:

Sigma 18-35mm f/1.8 vs Canon 17-55mm f/2.8 @ f/2.8

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&FLI=0&API=2&LensComp=398&Sample=0&CameraComp=736&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=1&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=1&APIComp=0

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=0

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=854&Camera=736&Sample=0&FLI=4&API=2&LensComp=398&CameraComp=736&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=3&APIComp=0

There's no comparison, the Sigma is in an entirely different league of image quality. Their 35mm f/1.4 is likewise better:

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=829&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=121&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

And their 85mm f/1.4 is both sharper than Canon's 85mm f/1.2 II, and has much less purple fringing (the f/1.2 II has so much you can't even correct it automatically, which is why I use the Sigma)

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=756&Camera=453&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=0&LensComp=397&CameraComp=453&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=1

Sigma makes a better lens that Canon does. Sometimes much better, this is the new Sigma.

I would be very surprised if the 24-105mm OS wasn't marginally better and I'd be very happy if it blew the Canon out of the water like they did with the f/1.8 zoom.