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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2014, 06:52:17 PM »
It has been entertaining reading the back and forth this topic has generated.  There are many ways to look at it and everyone has their opinion and what works for them.

Whatever one thinks or how it affects them, I think we can all agree that this is something we can do without.

The firmware change does less to help and more to hinder our ability to do what we all paid $3000+ to do - use our camera.  With that in mind, why don't we all simply agree that Canon needs to stay the hell out of accessory control through firmware and just concentrate on improving the camera itself.  I don't recall anyone complaining over the years that Canon should do more to control batteries through firmware.
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #105 on: January 04, 2014, 06:52:17 PM »

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #106 on: January 04, 2014, 08:13:27 PM »
This is why I carry a minimum of three batteries, and at the moment, six... so having one die over Thanksgiving and one die over Christmas didn't cause me to lose any shots.  :)

Ok, so let's see...  A Wasabi LP-E6 is $30, buying six and having two fail raises the average cost to $45.  You carry at least three, meaning $135.  Two Canon LP-E6 (they're reliable, you only need two) costs $120. 

Cheaper batteries save money?  Sure.    ;)

(Ok, I did double count the failure rate.  Still, they're not 1/2 to 1/3 the price of OEM once you factor in the failure rate.  Is saving 25% - $15/battery - really worth having to carry extras and worry about when they'll fail?)

The batteries that failed are almost certainly more like the $10 variety than the $35 variety.  Non-garbage batteries don't usually die within the first two weeks, get replaced by the vendor, then turn around and fail again after 2–3 months.  Four failures in three months is record low quality even in my world, where my luck with hardware resembles Murphy's law....

By contrast, I shot with a pair of semi-name-brand third-party batteries (and one Canon battery) in my XTi since I got it in 2007.  I had the first failure (stone dead) earlier this year, after more than five years of fairly heavy use.  I decided not to bother replacing it because I was about to buy the 6D, which uses different batteries.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #107 on: January 10, 2014, 09:10:11 AM »
Don't try little tricks Canon - just make your batteries more affordable. LP-E6 is old enough, if you sell it for 25-30$ nobody will think about 3rd parties and your profit will be very good.
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I agree i would always buy canon batteries if they had reasonable prices, but some of my batteries are priced at $150-190 a piece for the official canon version. I found a two pack of Wasabi Canon BP-828 batteries and charger for my Canon XA20 for $80 and a Wasabi LP-E4N for $60. I would rather own two good batteries for less than the price of one than one overpriced battery. I have used off brands for several years and have yet to have any problems so I don't see a reason to buy canon for now. I haven't upgraded my firmware yet so it could break things but then i could buy the new chipped version and still pay less than one canon battery.

I think a lot of people would buy canon batteries if canon lowered their price. Not only would get sales from the people buying off brand batteries but they would also get sales from the people that decide one battery is good enough after seeing the high price.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #108 on: February 07, 2014, 11:43:14 AM »
I've used non-OEM batteries in my g6, XTi, and 50d without issue.  But, I am reluctant to do the same in my 5diii.  First of all, I get way more shots per charge than the older bodies achieved.  The "shots per battery" ratio is better so this reduces the amortized cost (although it is still higher than the off brand).  Second of all, I am often in remote places where replacement batteries are just about impossible to obtain (OEM or non-OEM). 

But in the same vein, that's also why I am reluctant to get a non-Canon lens.  I don't know what the camera - lens communication and function could do in the future, but I am pretty sure Canon will see to it that their lenses work with their cameras.  It's the same logic, eve if this is a "monopoly" of sorts.
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #109 on: February 07, 2014, 01:22:08 PM »
but I am pretty sure Canon will see to it that their lenses work with their cameras.

You're lucky here: Latest Sigma lenses (and Yongnuo flashes/controllers) have usb ports so they can update the firmware if Canon changes something- so I'd say these are as future-proof as Canon originals.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #110 on: February 07, 2014, 02:43:11 PM »
but I am pretty sure Canon will see to it that their lenses work with their cameras.

You're lucky here: Latest Sigma lenses (and Yongnuo flashes/controllers) have usb ports so they can update the firmware if Canon changes something- so I'd say these are as future-proof as Canon originals.

Except for the time that the lenses are bricked while Sigma creates the updated firmware.  Not so bad if you have multiple options, but not worth it if you rely on it for a living.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #111 on: February 07, 2014, 04:27:56 PM »
Except for the time that the lenses are bricked while Sigma creates the updated firmware.

You should apply to Canon as an independent fud agent :-)

I understand the necessity of pro shooting are different than for the rest of us, but 3rd party items don't just brick by looking at them, but only after camera fw updates. But *esp* as a pro you don't just update your fw on first day of the release and just before a shooting. You will evaluate what the changes are, and if necessary wait some, for example until 3rd party vendors updating their fw.

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2014, 09:27:36 PM »
Except for the time that the lenses are bricked while Sigma creates the updated firmware.

You should apply to Canon as an independent fud agent :-)

I understand the necessity of pro shooting are different than for the rest of us, but 3rd party items don't just brick by looking at them, but only after camera fw updates. But *esp* as a pro you don't just update your fw on first day of the release and just before a shooting. You will evaluate what the changes are, and if necessary wait some, for example until 3rd party vendors updating their fw.

Yeah, because people love losing functionality of their gear... not so much.  In my industry it takes months to release new software because of safety and certification issues.  Consumer electronics is different but it will still take time to reverse engineer and test the changes.  And it doesn't have to come with a fw update; it could come with a new camera release.  Of course, they never list incompatibility with extant 3rd party gear as features of a new camera.  ::)

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Re: EOS 5D Mark III & Third Party Batteries
« Reply #112 on: February 07, 2014, 09:27:36 PM »