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Which lens best complement the 50mm and 85mm for wider inside shots?

35mm 1.4L
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24mm 1.4L II
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24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« on: October 11, 2011, 07:26:07 AM »
I need some help to pick a wide lens mostly for inside portrait shots (family, child picture inside).  I currently shoot a lot with a 50mm and 85mm for my portrait.  However at 50mm i find I often run out of space to capture my daughter with other activity in the room.  So I need something wider.

I know logically the 35mm 1.4L is a natural portrait lens but given it was so close in focal lenght to my 50mm, I tried the 24 1.4L II instead.  I quickly realized it can be tricky to shoot at 24mm because it is so wide that composing the shot is hard, and if you shoot at a vertical angle to your subject, it can deform the shot quit a bit.

Has anyone experienced both the 35mm 1.4L and 24 mm 1.4L II?  Given I already have a 50mm and a 85mm, which one should I lean towards?  I also tried the 24mm for landscape but I dont do a lot of it...  Would the 35mm still be the best choice to give me more room for inside portrait shot and should I keep practicing and learn how to do it with a 24mm?

I noticed I ended up croping almost all my 24mm shots taken over the week-end (at golf for landscape and inside portrait)! 

I really appreciate any suggestions/helps guys.

Cheers.
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24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« on: October 11, 2011, 07:26:07 AM »

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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2011, 06:21:20 PM »
The way your poll question is worded, the 24mm is a better answer.  But reading your post, honestly, it sounds like the 35mm is the right choice for you.  24mm on FF is generally too wide for portraits - as you have found, it introduces quite a bit of distortion. 

I went through a similar choice a while back, and I set my 24-105mm at 35mm for a couple of days, then at 24mm for a couple of days.  When I processed the images, I found myself cropping almost all of the images at 24mm, and for the shots inside the house where there was a known framing of reference, it turned out I was cropping the 24mm shots to the approximate angle of view of the 35mm lens.  So, I got the 35mm f/1.4L - it's been a great lens. 

In addition to wide angle portraits (espeically indoors), I find that it's a great nighttime walkaround lens.  Shooting with the aperture fairly open can produce some fun shots, too.  Here are a few examples from a trip to China earlier this year:


EOS 5D Mark II, EF 35mm f/1.4L USM, 1/30 s, f/1.4, ISO 100


EOS 5D Mark II, EF 35mm f/1.4L USM, 1/50 s, f/2, ISO 200


EOS 5D Mark II, EF 35mm f/1.4L USM, 1/250 s, f/2.5, ISO 1600


EOS 5D Mark II, EF 35mm f/1.4L USM, 2.5 s, f/5.6, ISO 100
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2011, 07:10:10 PM »
Thanks this is really helpful.  Do you still find use for yourself to have a 24mm prime given you cover this focal lenght in your zoom?  Also, do you think it is the right time to buy the 35mm 1.4L or should I wait to see what lens are announced (if any!) with the new EOS bodies hopefully being announced in the new few months?

Thanks again for your response!  Much appreciated.
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2011, 07:22:30 PM »
Actually, I do have a 24mm prime, but it's not very suitable for everyday use (the TS-E 24mm f/3.5L II doesn't really lend itself to casual shooting). 

I haven't yet found a need for the 24mm f/1.4L II in my kit.  I do know some folks who have both, though.

I have the 'holy trinity' (35L, 85L II, 135L) and it's a great and versatile set of primes.  I have considered getting the 50L on occasion, though.

I always advocate buying the lens you need/want at the time you need/want it.  While I do think the 35L is due for a refresh (every other L-series lens at 100mm and shorter has been newly-released or updated in the past 5 years), the current version is really excellent.  IMO, the only lack is that it's not weather sealed.  I'm sure it's on Canon's list, and the new version will be sealed, a bit sharper in the corners, and a lot more expensive. 
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 07:47:43 PM »
Ps. Personally, if 50mm was my current widest lens, I might be inclined to the 24/1.4. When I got my 35L, I had the 24-105/4, but also the 16-35/2.8 II. Still, based on your description and testing of the 24/1.4, the 35L seems like a better choice.
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 08:01:44 PM »
I guess if I could I should get both!  One thing I did noticed which I really liked about the 24mm 1.4L was for video.  It is much easier to keep everything in focus given the depth of field of a 24mm compared to a 50 or 35mm.  I was able to shoot very decent video without touching the focus inside using f5.6 and over...  I could never do this with my 50mm.

Maybe with time I would learn to shoot with the 24 with some practice.  I have only been serious about photography for the past 18 months and I remember when I started, I did try the 35 and found it very close to the 50mm indeed.  I have the 24 right now, I just need to decide if I return it or keep at it!  If I did not have the 50, I would have gone for the 35 without hesitation.  I guess it is all about compromise at this point ...
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 08:42:38 PM »
I am assuming you have a FF camera, 24mm is not wide on a crop camera.

Having used my 24-105mm L extensively on my 5D MK II,  I used lightroom to see which focal lengths were used most often for me.

I found that 35mm was used more than twice as often as 24mm, so I bought the 35mm L and have not been disappointed.  I'd like to have the 24mm L, but really can't justify buying it for the few cases I'd use it.  I was able to pickup a used Tokina 17mm f/3.5 for $150 locally, and I love it for ultra wide use.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2011, 08:47:15 PM »
I have the 24-70 2.8L and I find for my photos I shoot around 30mm-45mm probably 90% of the time. So the 35mm prime would be perfect for me.  I will get one as soon as they upgrade it hopefully in the next year. I want a weathered sealed lens and am not interested in investing in an L unless it is. Otherwise I'd get the sigma 30 f1.4 Have you looked at that lens? It's a nice lens, half the price but not quite as bright as the canon, but still an awesome lens. Also for video, you'll probably never shoot 24mm. I shoot a lot of vid and almost never go wider than 30mm unless I want a special look. Usually I shoot video around a 35mm or 50mm, and around a 70 or 85 for closeup portrait type shots.

Since you're on the fence about it, Look at that sigma 30 since it's sort of between the two.
Here is a comparison you can look at I found on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgWpU4FgZc

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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2011, 08:48:37 PM »
I've shot 24 and 35 both at weddings on my 5d.  I can say with confidence that the 35 blows the 24 out of the water.  35 is not as wide yes but you can still get a natural feeling from your photos without having to be inches from their face.  24 had too much distortion since I frame my photographs edge to edge. 

Shot with the 35L:



I have to mention as well, I am a huge prime fan, I love the 50 and 85 and I have used a ton of lenses.  The 85 1.2 is excellent, the 35 would be a lovely combo.
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2011, 08:55:08 PM »
The question asked above about what camera you're using, FF or crop, is quite important.  The example images and advice from the other posters seems to be based on experience with a FF.


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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2011, 09:02:50 PM »
I have a 5d mark II so FF it is.  You guys are all making valid points.  On a full frame, my 50 and 85 both produce very natural picture.  So I am stating to lean back toward the 35mm for the look I am looking for.  I know I would love the 24 from time to time, but I probably can get away in the majority of my situations with a 35 from all the comments. 

For the few occasions I might need wider then 35, then instead I should likely consider either one of the L zoom (I really got addicted to prime lens though) - maybe we will see a new version of the 24-70 with a new body!
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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2011, 09:17:43 PM »
Otherwise I'd get the sigma 30 f1.4 Have you looked at that lens? It's a nice lens, half the price but not quite as bright as the canon, but still an awesome lens.

Sorry, but that's bad advice. As indicated in the signature line and in a subsequent response, JR has a 5DII. The Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a DC lens. While it will mount on a FF camera (unlike EF-S lenses), it has an image circle designed for APS-C that won't even come close to covering a FF sensor.
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2011, 09:36:16 PM »
Otherwise I'd get the sigma 30 f1.4 Have you looked at that lens? It's a nice lens, half the price but not quite as bright as the canon, but still an awesome lens.

Sorry, but that's bad advice. As indicated in the signature line and in a subsequent response, JR has a 5DII. The Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a DC lens. While it will mount on a FF camera (unlike EF-S lenses), it has an image circle designed for APS-C that won't even come close to covering a FF sensor.

Only bad advice retroactively :)  at the time the comment was posted to consider the Sigma 30mm f/1.4 the OP hadn't added the signature line or stated in the post that he was using a 5D2.

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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2011, 09:57:11 PM »
Its all good as I am so passionate about my passion for photography and my equipment, that for better or for worst, I am already sold to Canon L lens...only a matter of time better I get a whole bunch more.   ;)
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Re: 24mm 1.4L II versus 35mm 1.4L - help!
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 10:09:03 PM »
Its all good as I am so passionate about my passion for photography and my equipment, that for better or for worst, I am already sold to Canon L lens...only a matter of time better I get a whole bunch more.   ;)

The 50mm and 85mm f/1.2L primes are out of my price league.  I am stuck with a lousy 16-35mm f/2.8L II and 70-200mm f/2.8L II ;)   And a Sigma 50mm f/1.4 that is OK.

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« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2011, 10:09:03 PM »