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Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« on: December 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM »
I'm a Wedding Photographer who's used other lenses to photograph rings and then cropped them with good results.  However,  I think it's time to grab the 100mm f2.8 for this job.  What would you all suggest?  The 2.8L or is the non-L good enough?  Does the L version justify the doubled price?  Any other macro lens recommendations?  I don't do any other macro photography other than my ring photos, so I'd love ideas.

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Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« on: December 31, 2013, 01:11:28 PM »

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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 01:23:07 PM »
The non L is more than good enough, the L is well worth double the price.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 01:31:39 PM »
Alternatively, if you can take a few minutes (probably not, I know) you could get some extension tubes and setup on a tripod with the 24-70mm or 50mm and use those. Might even be able to use the 135mm, as you don't need to get super-macro. But, if you want to get 1:1, the 24-70 or 50 with extension tubes is your best bet. Or, just get the 100mm macro. However if you're going to hand-hold, get the L with IS. Even then, if it's in muted light, bring along a monopod/tripod.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2013, 03:27:05 PM »
my 2 cents:

i shoot weddings so I was thinking the same things you are.  I didn't want to buy a dedicated lens at first because...in my head its just one shot, why spend so much on a lens for one shot really?  I considered extension tubes and close up filters, and talked about the decision on forums like this one --- i ended up going to a camera shop to see for myself.  Tubes, clunky, PITA, yeah they get the job done but not as well as a macro lens and the time it takes to get it setup...yuck...and once setup your stuck until you take all that crap off.  Same with close up filters.  I tried both then the 100L...wow...wow the difference was really plain and visible. 

They did not have the nonL version at the shopt though, so I went back home and asked again about what to do, got lots of good feedback on the non-L. 

My advice is keep your eye on the used market.  Full price for either is kind of steep for what your going to be doing with the lens.  If you can find the L on a good rebate/sale, snag it...or, if you can find a used non-L snag it.  IS would be great to have, but, macro work is so sensitive that I'm really not sure the IS would be of much help...your shooting weddings so just take a bit more car with how you light the ringshots and then have fun with it...its great for all the little details at receptions!!!! 

Here are a few with the non-L...

Of note.. all of these were handheld - yeah i did find good light, or, create good light with some external LED's - but none of these were tripod mounted. 
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 06:21:13 PM by Chuck Alaimo »
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2013, 05:40:43 PM »
If you have loads of time to spare and the ability carry around loads of equipment, by all means use extension tubes, a tripod and a lighting rig.

If however you are shooting a wedding and you find you're not time rich, the 100L is perfect. For wedding ring shots (and other shots like wedding dress/bouquet details), you're not at 1:1; at such magnifications, the hybrid IS (optionally combined with a bounced flash) allows for quite a noticeably slower shutter speed. In other words, you can forget the cumbersome and time consuming tripod, and compared to a non IS lens handheld, use a lower ISO and/or a more stopped down aperture.

It also doubles up as a really good portrait lens.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2013, 06:30:46 PM »
If you have loads of time to spare and the ability carry around loads of equipment, by all means use extension tubes, a tripod and a lighting rig.

If however you are shooting a wedding and you find you're not time rich, the 100L is perfect. For wedding ring shots (and other shots like wedding dress/bouquet details), you're not at 1:1; at such magnifications, the hybrid IS (optionally combined with a bounced flash) allows for quite a noticeably slower shutter speed. In other words, you can forget the cumbersome and time consuming tripod, and compared to a non IS lens handheld, use a lower ISO and/or a more stopped down aperture.

It also doubles up as a really good portrait lens.

While I wouldn't mind having the IS version - it really boils down to $$$$.  Optically the non L is pretty damn good - the L has IS and is better weather sealed... but how often are you going to be doing macro ringshots out in the rain? 

Note --- I like the nonL option if you can find it used - brand new and the price difference just isn't big enough.  But, if you can find a good copy under $500 then yeah, think of all the other things you could do with that extra $500...

for me at least there were bigger fish to fry!  I shoot wide way more than macro, so the 24mm 1.4 ...now that's where i will spend the extra dough (and eventually on upgrading my 70-200mm).  with all that said, someday i probably will upgrade to the 100L, but, as of now I do not at all regret purchasing the non L
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 08:04:26 AM »
While I wouldn't mind having the IS version - it really boils down to $$$$.  Optically the non L is pretty damn good - the L has IS and is better weather sealed... but how often are you going to be doing macro ringshots out in the rain? 

Note --- I like the nonL option if you can find it used - brand new and the price difference just isn't big enough.  But, if you can find a good copy under $500 then yeah, think of all the other things you could do with that extra $500...

for me at least there were bigger fish to fry!  I shoot wide way more than macro, so the 24mm 1.4 ...now that's where i will spend the extra dough (and eventually on upgrading my 70-200mm).  with all that said, someday i probably will upgrade to the 100L, but, as of now I do not at all regret purchasing the non L
Yeah, weather sealing isn't normally high on the features list of someone after a lens to take wedding ring photos. IS is handy, and for me I find it indispensable for most of my shots with that lens. But you've clearly shown that in the right hands, the optically similar non L 100 macro is capable of taking stunning photos, even hand held.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2014, 09:36:49 AM »
I can say the 100l is with out a doubt an amazing lens. I was having this same debate until i just waited for it to go on sale at the Canon Direct refurbished store. I thought i was buying a macro lens and that just barely scratches the surface. You get the absolutely best lens that 100mm can off up to 2.8. Portraits have never been better. Yeah you walk a foot or two back but its so worth it. I am not saying that 100 non L isnt good. If you like me you will eventually want the one that is going to deliver absolute best image quality and absolute best features. This is a lens you will have for a long time. I learned the lesson the hard way that buying cheaper just meant i bought twice.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2014, 10:44:30 AM »
Here is a photo that I quickly took


If this kind of magnification is enough then all you need is the nifty fifty with a 12mm Kenko extension tube. Since it is the only thing you are going to be taking with this lens, you can leave the extension tube permanently attached to it. Much cheaper than a dedicated macro lens, and nobody is going to enlarge the picture of rings to 24x36 size.

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I'm sure similar results can be achieved with the 40 pancake in an ever smaller package.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2014, 11:04:17 AM »
Another vote for either of the 2 100 Macros. The L if you can afford it.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2014, 01:07:33 PM »
First of all, I do shoot weddings, own the 100L, and love it.  It will be in my kit for a long, long time.  If money is an issue, however, I have just spent some time with the new Tamron 90mm Macro VC lens to review it, and it is a very, very competitive option.  Here's my thorough review of it if you want to check it out:

http://www.dustinabbott.net/2013/12/tamron-sp-90mm-f2-8-di-macro-11-vc-usd-review/

It offers basically everything that the 100L does (slightly worse bokeh, slightly sharper optics) at a price point that falls between the EF 100 Macro and the 100L. 
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2014, 01:22:26 PM »
Any macro lens is good enough.  Lighting is more important than the selection of lens.  You want to control reflections so just a gemstone, for example has the highlight.
 
However, if you are shooting a ring on someone's finger hand held, then the 100L is the one to use because of its hybrid autofocus.  Its no sharper, but images do come out well when handheld with good lighting.  For a fixed subject in a well lit setting, use any brand of macro, they are all excellent.

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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2014, 01:30:26 PM »
I've owned both versions of the 100mm macro, and kept the L version. I don't shoot weddings; my primary use for the lens is portraiture, of which I do a lot.

I moved up to the 100mm macros to replace the 85/1.8, for which the vast majority of my work was head-and-shoulders shots. While it was a great lens, I rarely used it wide open, and I was always cropping. With the 100's, I do little or no cropping, and the images look even better.

I agree with those who wrote that for macro work only, you don't really need the IS in the L version. But be aware that you may end up using whichever version you get for a lot more than just macro work. That said, most of my portrait work is in-studio with a tripod, so the IS is of no use there, either. I upgraded to the 100L for optimum image quality and the ability to use a tripod collar.

I see a lot of both versions of this lens for sale at great prices on Craigslist in my area. It seems that a lot of photogs buy one to experiment with macro, find they don't do that much of it, don't appreciate the other uses of these lenses, and sell them.
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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
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« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2014, 01:30:36 PM »
P.S.  Here is an untouched/unedited ring shot from the 100L.  From this distance you could literally shoot at 1/10th and not worry about the outcome.  This is f/4.5 to allow enough depth of field for both hands to be in focus.

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Re: Which Lens for Ring Photos?
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2014, 01:36:51 PM »
@ Chuck Alaimo: I like your shot of the rings on the piano keyboard!
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