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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2014, 09:59:23 PM »
Is there a 16-50 inbound?  That could be what I'm looking for.

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2014, 10:09:18 PM »
Well....I NEVER thought that I would say THIS....but I am more interested in What's Next From Sigma!!!   :o
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2014, 10:13:04 PM »
I really think it will be too late.  Competition is moving too fast.  Canon is following an old school business model.  Like Blackberry you can be on the top one day and totally gone the next.

I dont see ANY excitement from their recent announcements and their loyal fans are desperately looking for at big zoom update and 7d update as well as something to counter the A7r.

Need some excitement

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2014, 10:16:22 PM »
...sensor quality plays a very BIG role too. Canon has not been doing well in this last department for the past few years. Sigh...

I just don't understand comments like that. While Canon may be a bit slow on updating its APS-C sensors, I don't know how anyone can really criticize the 1D, 5D or 6D sensors. Canon customers ripped Canon for emphasizing megapixels over ISO performance, so Canon got conservative on the megapixels and produced sensors that outshine the competition in ISO performance.

The high megapixel D800 is a flop in comparison to the 5DIII. Nikon's flagship has less resolution than Canon's (why doesn't anyone ever ask why it is that if the high megapixel D800 is so great, Nikon steered away from high megapixels in its flagship).

In fact, judging from the comments on this forum by people who use the 70D, it sounds like the new dual-pixel sensor performs well above its pay grade. 
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2014, 10:18:14 PM »
I think it's more exciting to take better pictures on old inferior gear, but I'm in for a 16-50 that's nice, priced not-too-badly and moderately compact (and f4 is a reasonable compromise).
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2014, 10:24:42 PM »
16-50 f/4 IS
Is there a 16-50 inbound?  That could be what I'm looking for.

if it is EF lens , then it's good.

If it is EF-S lens.... this is just a kit lens.....nothing special

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2014, 10:31:39 PM »
...sensor quality plays a very BIG role too. Canon has not been doing well in this last department for the past few years. Sigh...

I just don't understand comments like that. While Canon may be a bit slow on updating its APS-C sensors, I don't know how anyone can really criticize the 1D, 5D or 6D sensors. Canon customers ripped Canon for emphasizing megapixels over ISO performance, so Canon got conservative on the megapixels and produced sensors that outshine the competition in ISO performance.
Slightly, and only on higher ISO levels.

When it comes to base ISO (where most people shoot most of their photos), SoNikon completely destroys Canon's ancient sensors in terms of pure IQ and dynamic range. Canon hasn't even gotten rid of the dreadful shadow banding yet. Wtf? :P

Canon is only interesting for lenses now days. My EF-glass lives a happy life on my A7R. A tiny mirrorless camera that blows the 5D and 1DX out of the water. The difference in IQ is so big that I'll most likely never use my 5D3 again.
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2014, 10:37:01 PM »
Sounds like the rumors about the 7D II release are finally solidifying. That's good news, about time that camera was finally released.

It is also very interesting to hear the 100-400 might finally be getting it's replacement! I'd be fairly interested in that lens.

I totally agree about the G1X II price...very odd. I think whoever is managing the G line and the EOS-M lines are really not in tune with the western markets. The positioning of those models is too high up the price ladder for over here. They may sell like hotcakes in Japan, but Japan isn't the US or EU.

Canon needs to bring a full mirrorless ecosystem to the US. An -M with a couple basic lenses will never break through the established DSLR market. Too many people have Rebels, and too many have purchased additional lenses. EOS-M needs LENSES! Would be really nice to see something like EOS-M Pro released here in the US with a whole range of lenses from maybe a fisheye prime, through wide primes and zooms, to long primes, to long zooms and maybe a telephoto. That's a big handful of lenses, but I don't think the US market would be interested in EOS-M unless there are some good, dedicated lenses for it at the same time. (And an EVF, of course...I guess that one is a given.)

I agree the G1X at around $400 is an attractive second camera but the mark 2 is ¥81,000 on amazon.jp, that's $90 away from a brand new 7D! You'd have to be mad!

The EOS M isn't that popular in Japan either, but at $300 it is at least affordable. The M2 is overpriced too and selling poorly with bad reviews on amazon.jp. I don't think Japanese people want to spend over $500 for what are perceived as "digicameras" or compact cameras. Almost everyone here has an iPhone or a smartphone and I see a lot of people using them or DSLRs when it comes to events and things like cherry blossom season.

I would like to see more lenses for the M mount. And I want Canon to take mirrorless seriously and make a decent M3 worthy of forking out five hundred bucks. The M2 is a joke. Improved AF and wifi for double the price? No. They should have been in the original M to begin with.
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2014, 10:37:54 PM »
Well....I NEVER thought that I would say THIS....but I am more interested in What's Next From Sigma!!!   :o

+1.

Tamron too. They're doing much more interesting things, these days, especially when it comes to value for money!

Now if Sigma came out with a Foveon DSLR of similar resolution to the 5D Mark II/III and the new lenses could all be bought for it... mmm...

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2014, 10:44:46 PM »
I'm curious if the successor to the SX-50 will have dual-pixel technologies and what the zoom will be.
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2014, 10:45:16 PM »
Well....I NEVER thought that I would say THIS....but I am more interested in What's Next From Sigma!!!   :o

+1.

Tamron too. They're doing much more interesting things, these days, especially when it comes to value for money!

Now if Sigma came out with a Foveon DSLR of similar resolution to the 5D Mark II/III and the new lenses could all be bought for it... mmm...

And Samyang too! I'm looking fwd to seeing what they do with AF if rumors are true.

Sad days when a we get more excited about 3rd party gear more than Canon.
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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2014, 11:12:55 PM »
Sad days when a we get more excited about 3rd party gear more than Canon.
I disagree; the more options the better. I own a Tokina super-wide, a Sigma kit lens, and the rest of my lenses are Canon. Other than brand loyalty, what does it matter who is making the best lens?

Imagine if Sigma was still the old Sigma, and Tamron was the old Tamron...you'd have poor AF lenses that break, weak warranties, and you'd basically only have expensive Canon gear as your option. You'd be stuck waiting for the Xmas rebates to get reasonable prices. Instead, the used market for gear has gotten much cheaper, and Canon has been forced to cut their prices a lot after release.

I also think people forget, all the lenses that Canon has released in the last 2-3 years have been almost universally praised. The 70-200 and 24-70 are the holy grail for most pros. The non-L IS primes are really sharp (and now reasonably priced). Even the 40mm pancake was good, if a little odd. Even their kit lenses keep getting better. They just have such a successful line that they arent forced to swing for the fences like Sigma/Tamron are

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2014, 12:02:55 AM »
...sensor quality plays a very BIG role too. Canon has not been doing well in this last department for the past few years. Sigh...

I just don't understand comments like that. While Canon may be a bit slow on updating its APS-C sensors, I don't know how anyone can really criticize the 1D, 5D or 6D sensors. Canon customers ripped Canon for emphasizing megapixels over ISO performance, so Canon got conservative on the megapixels and produced sensors that outshine the competition in ISO performance.
Slightly, and only on higher ISO levels.

When it comes to base ISO (where most people shoot most of their photos), SoNikon completely destroys Canon's ancient sensors in terms of pure IQ and dynamic range. Canon hasn't even gotten rid of the dreadful shadow banding yet. Wtf? :P

Canon is only interesting for lenses now days. My EF-glass lives a happy life on my A7R. A tiny mirrorless camera that blows the 5D and 1DX out of the water. The difference in IQ is so big that I'll most likely never use my 5D3 again.

I would dispute that most people shoot at base ISO. I'd be willing to bet there are a hell of a lot more people who photograph some kind of action or shooting in low light, than there are people who photograph more still scenes. Even wedding photographers shoot at higher ISO settings, many of them even shoot at very high ISOs on purpose for that grain-like aesthetic in black and white. You have all the olympics shooters, sports shooters, street photographers, wildlife and bird photographers, concert and event shooters, air show and race shooters, the paparazzi, photo journalism is at high ISO as much as lower ISO, etc.

People who shoot at lower ISO? Landscape photographers, maybe macro photographers (although if your going for extreme macro with an MP-E 65 or extension tubes, your at least at ISO 400 if not 800 or more), studio photographers (however when it comes to studio photography, you have total control over light, shadow, and scene DR, so having more stops of DR isn't a necessity...it's simply a nicety.)

Oh, and, you have amateur photographers! :P However, amateurs shoot at low ISO all the time out of ignorance, not because they need to. Once an amateur becomes something else, the chances they will use higher ISOs more than lower ISOs greatly increases.

So, yeah. I STRONGLY dispute the notion that "most" photographers use base ISO. Far more things in the world involve action of some kind, in which case you are either full manual and explicitly choosing a higher ISO, or your using a priority mode and choosing your shutter speed in one way or another (leaving ISO on auto, in which case it will most certainly float above ISO 100 and 200 the majority of the time.)

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Re: What's Next from Canon?
« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2014, 12:20:58 AM »
I don't see why the G1X II would be any less than $799 at launch.  The RX100 II is still $699, and the G1X II is offers a heck of a lot more than that camera. 

I paid full price for the original G1X, and I'll do the same here.  To me the G1X was my dream camera, minus the 1cm macro form the G series.  The Mark II offers 5cm macro, a full stop faster, wifi, 24mm, and almost same size as EOS M.  Al-in-all it IS my dream camera, and in fact its MORE than I even dreamed of getting!!!  I'm not one those folks that dreams outside the laws of physics, lol.   BRAVO Canon.  Proved to EVERYBODY (Not literally) that they are the best of the best.  Sony looked good for a little while anyway. lol

Bring on the Mark II, WITHOUT the EFV, which I think is pretty dorky looking in practice. hahaha

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2014, 12:27:22 AM »
...sensor quality plays a very BIG role too. Canon has not been doing well in this last department for the past few years. Sigh...

I just don't understand comments like that. While Canon may be a bit slow on updating its APS-C sensors, I don't know how anyone can really criticize the 1D, 5D or 6D sensors. Canon customers ripped Canon for emphasizing megapixels over ISO performance, so Canon got conservative on the megapixels and produced sensors that outshine the competition in ISO performance.
Slightly, and only on higher ISO levels.

When it comes to base ISO (where most people shoot most of their photos), SoNikon completely destroys Canon's ancient sensors in terms of pure IQ and dynamic range. Canon hasn't even gotten rid of the dreadful shadow banding yet. Wtf? :P

Canon is only interesting for lenses now days. My EF-glass lives a happy life on my A7R. A tiny mirrorless camera that blows the 5D and 1DX out of the water. The difference in IQ is so big that I'll most likely never use my 5D3 again.

I would dispute that most people shoot at base ISO. I'd be willing to bet there are a hell of a lot more people who photograph some kind of action or shooting in low light, than there are people who photograph more still scenes. Even wedding photographers shoot at higher ISO settings, many of them even shoot at very high ISOs on purpose for that grain-like aesthetic in black and white. You have all the olympics shooters, sports shooters, street photographers, wildlife and bird photographers, concert and event shooters, air show and race shooters, the paparazzi, photo journalism is at high ISO as much as lower ISO, etc.

People who shoot at lower ISO? Landscape photographers, maybe macro photographers (although if your going for extreme macro with an MP-E 65 or extension tubes, your at least at ISO 400 if not 800 or more), studio photographers (however when it comes to studio photography, you have total control over light, shadow, and scene DR, so having more stops of DR isn't a necessity...it's simply a nicety.)

Oh, and, you have amateur photographers! :P However, amateurs shoot at low ISO all the time out of ignorance, not because they need to. Once an amateur becomes something else, the chances they will use higher ISOs more than lower ISOs greatly increases.

So, yeah. I STRONGLY dispute the notion that "most" photographers use base ISO. Far more things in the world involve action of some kind, in which case you are either full manual and explicitly choosing a higher ISO, or your using a priority mode and choosing your shutter speed in one way or another (leaving ISO on auto, in which case it will most certainly float above ISO 100 and 200 the majority of the time.)
I tend to shoot around ISO320 in sunlight or cloudy days, 640 on darker days and early mornings/late evenings, and 3200 and above indoors, unless using the flash where I tend towards 160...
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