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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2014, 03:28:17 PM »
Smart phones are taking over because people can't be bothered.

My wife is an iPhoneographer (which drives me up the wall) but if she's in the shot, she wants a high-end P&S or DSLR used because she KNOWS what they look like on the computer.

2 more years your toaster will probably have a camera in it.

Just so you know, I had to google that . . . just to be sure someone didn't have a kickstarter for that already. >:(
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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2014, 03:28:17 PM »

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2014, 04:03:23 PM »
The main reason smartphones are encroaching on the P&S camera market is the flexibility they have with the image after taking the photos. With a camera, you take the photo, and there is really little else you can do until you get the photo out of the camera and into a computer.

Little else?  Obviously, you haven't seen the Canon PowerShot N Facebook Edition with the dedicated FB upload button. 

 ;) :P ::)

Yes, this is Canon's attempted answer to the problem, but is it enough just to have access to Facebook? People already have a phone, over 50% are smartphones from what I understand, and all those smartphones already have a camera in them. It's simply a question of "is the camera in the phone good enough?".  As has been pointed out, the answer for many is yes. How many people were buying a cheap P&S for image quality anyway? Everyone knows, a good camera cost more money, so nobody was fooled into thinking they had some awesome camera when they buy the cheapest one Walmart had in stock. How much worse is the smartphone camera than that? Not enough to make a difference, apparently.

Canon could try to put more feature in the camera to make it more like using a smartphone, but at that point, why not just get a smartphone? Nokia seems to be one of the companies that is really working hard to get a better camera built into the phone, but one of the big issues is, can it still be used as a phone? That is the ultimate criteria for those who might be looking at a camera vs. just using the phone camera. The bottom line is, the best camera to use is the one you have with you, and everyone has their phone with them most of the time. So by default, it becomes the best camera.

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2014, 07:37:18 PM »
As a trend below is an estimate of DSLR and DSC market shrinking with huge 15% in just 5 years:

All right, all right, everybody calm down!  There's no fire here. 

Sorry, Diko, but this is what happens when bizarre chart types are used to share data--it becomes very hard to interpret what is actually happening.  The outer rings are the projected market, the inner rings are the current market.  37% of $9.1 billion is $3.367 billion.  22% of $17 billion is 3.74 billion, an increase of 11% instead of a drop of 15%.  Likewise the units display growth from 329 million to 588 million.  Considering that includes projected erosion of the small point-and-shoot market, the growth in SLRs should be larger in percentage terms.

Don't feel bad, it took me almost five minutes to figure this out.  The dip***t who created this chart should be spanked IMO.  The natural tendency is to compare the rings against each other, which is impossible without a hand calculator.  Simple stacked bar graphs would have been much easier to compare visually.

I also would not place a lot of confidence in these projections as they sound overly optimistic.  Consider the source: a semiconductor company.   Something fishy in the fish market?  Perhaps.


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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2014, 08:47:48 AM »
What a great idea! A toaster with a camera! It could tell how well toasted the bread is!

No no no. That would make SENSE. Think Web Two-point-oh.

What the camera is for is to do facial recognition to:
1) identify the person and determine their likes (probably from scanning all the meta-data that your toaster has on you)
2) identify how satisfied you are with the results (and upload that meta-data to no place in particular that the consumer needs to know about)

Of course, it will work as well as when they (google and apple) transitioned from hardware/software based voice recognition to cloud-based crowd-adjusted results.
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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2014, 09:54:42 AM »
The main reason smartphones are encroaching on the P&S camera market is the flexibility they have with the image after taking the photos. With a camera, you take the photo, and there is really little else you can do until you get the photo out of the camera and into a computer.

Little else?  Obviously, you haven't seen the Canon PowerShot N Facebook Edition with the dedicated FB upload button. 



 ;) :P ::)

I wonder if they will sell this in china since facebook is blocked by the great firewall of china...
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2014, 08:19:44 PM »
I wonder if they will sell this in china since facebook is blocked by the great firewall of china...
They have their own version, I believe: "Red Star Firewallbook."   ::)   :D


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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2014, 05:50:25 AM »
My daughter refuses to touch my Fuji XE and prefers her Iphone MUCH more. :(

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« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2014, 09:50:45 PM »
I wonder if they will sell this in china since facebook is blocked by the great firewall of china...
They have their own version, I believe: "Red Star Firewallbook."   ::)   :D

nah it will be the wechat edition :P
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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2014, 06:22:11 PM »
I dont' think the compact digital camera market will disappear altogether.

As great as a smartphone is at being an all around solution, that there may become the problem... its an expensive all around solution that can be stolen.

I think they are thinking up ways to barcode or scan in your debit cards and credit cards now...

Hey, think about going abroad with just a smartphone... someone steals it, and even though its biometrically locked or password protected, someone can easily erase everything on that phone and use it for their own use. But that leaves you stuck, going to your own nations embassy to get your id, etc. back.
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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2014, 01:57:54 PM »
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Don't feel bad, it took me almost five minutes to figure this out.  The dip***t who created this chart should be spanked IMO.  The natural tendency is to compare the rings against each other, which is impossible without a hand calculator.  Simple stacked bar graphs would have been much easier to compare visually.

I also would not place a lot of confidence in these projections as they sound overly optimistic.  Consider the source: a semiconductor company.   Something fishy in the fish market?  Perhaps.

You could be right. We'll see that. There are still billions of people NOT hooked on FB. And besides it all depends on the trend setters and at the moment the ONLY one I can think of is SONY. CANON IMO is already a follower in the trends business and a leader (not for long, I guess) in the sales.

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2014, 02:21:10 PM »
Smart phones are taking over because people can't be bothered.

My wife is an iPhoneographer (which drives me up the wall) but if she's in the shot, she wants a high-end P&S or DSLR used because she KNOWS what they look like on the computer.

2 more years your toaster will probably have a camera in it.

Just so you know, I had to google that . . . just to be sure someone didn't have a kickstarter for that already. >:(
What a great idea! A toaster with a camera! It could tell how well toasted the bread is!

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2014, 02:35:34 PM »
ROFL. I have no idea who writes those.... but the news there are brilliant!

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2014, 03:09:17 PM »
Smart phones are taking over because people can't be bothered.

My wife is an iPhoneographer (which drives me up the wall) but if she's in the shot, she wants a high-end P&S or DSLR used because she KNOWS what they look like on the computer.

2 more years your toaster will probably have a camera in it.

Just so you know, I had to google that . . . just to be sure someone didn't have a kickstarter for that already. >:(
What a great idea! A toaster with a camera! It could tell how well toasted the bread is!

http://newcameranews.com/2014/09/03/leaked-nikon-promises-photokina-surprise/
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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2014, 03:09:17 PM »

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2014, 04:15:55 PM »
I would actually argue that besides competition from phones a lot of the reason why the compact market was in trouble was because competition had driven prices for basic compacts so low that profit margins were limited even if sales were high. You look back 15 years and pretty basic compacts by todays standards were selling for $400+.

The big mistake that I think was made in the compact market that left it open to phones was IMHO sticking to relatively small sensors for too long, even high end compacts were stuck with 1/1.7' sensors for god knows how many years. Sticking with smaller sensors did mean that zoom ranges could increase but I'd argue that for the majority a 24-100mmish range is really all they need. Increasing sensor size sooner would have gotten more people used to higher quality phones would struggle to equal.

The future is I'd guess a move towards larger sensored more expensive compacts but I think its now much more of an uphill struggle as your having to user users back.

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Re: Canon to withdraw from the low-priced compact digital camera
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2014, 04:15:55 PM »