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Collecting gear
« on: March 09, 2014, 01:26:08 AM »
I am getting more into photography and am purchasing more gear. I have a T3i and a couple lenses that came with it which are nothing special. Plus the cheapest canon 40 mm. I am wondering if I should invest toward a flash, some external flashes and wireless receivers or save up for a nicer lens. Any advice or thoughts would be helpful.
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2014, 06:49:50 AM »
It all depends on what you like to shoot. If you already have more than one lens, maybe a flash would be the best option unless your primary subject is landscape.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 07:19:25 AM »
A fast lens first might be wise. Lack of flash might be crucial for portraiture at times, but lack of a fast lens... you want that the moment you get a DSLR.

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 09:44:05 AM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.
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« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2014, 09:58:55 AM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.

Exactly! There was another thread I was going to post in before this one caught my eye. In that thread I was going to say that my photography teacher asks questions from the reading as a form of taking attendance and he'll spring funny questions to lighten things up like - how many lenses are enough for a photographer.

The "correct" answer is "just one more..." you're always going to want another one.

But, to buy up stuff just because you're a collector and not knowing how or why to use some of the equipment doesn't seem to make sense to me. Buy one thing at a time, use the heck out of it and enjoy it. If you come up with a need, then go shopping for something else - or if you see something new and cool see if you have a need for it.
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« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2014, 11:12:30 AM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.

Exactly! There was another thread I was going to post in before this one caught my eye. In that thread I was going to say that my photography teacher asks questions from the reading as a form of taking attendance and he'll spring funny questions to lighten things up like - how many lenses are enough for a photographer.

The "correct" answer is "just one more..." you're always going to want another one.

But, to buy up stuff just because you're a collector and not knowing how or why to use some of the equipment doesn't seem to make sense to me. Buy one thing at a time, use the heck out of it and enjoy it. If you come up with a need, then go shopping for something else - or if you see something new and cool see if you have a need for it.
For starters get a 24-70 2.8L II, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 16-35 2.8L II, TS-E 17 L, TS-E 24 II L, 85 1.2L II, 35 1.4L, 135 2L, 100 2.8L IS Macro, 300 2.8L IS II, 500 4L IS II, 1.4XIII, 2XIII, 8-15 4L, then step back, relax, use them and decide what you need more...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #6 on: March 09, 2014, 12:18:17 PM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.
Exactly! There was another thread I was going to post in before this one caught my eye. In that thread I was going to say that my photography teacher asks questions from the reading as a form of taking attendance and he'll spring funny questions to lighten things up like - how many lenses are enough for a photographer.
The "correct" answer is "just one more..." you're always going to want another one.
But, to buy up stuff just because you're a collector and not knowing how or why to use some of the equipment doesn't seem to make sense to me. Buy one thing at a time, use the heck out of it and enjoy it. If you come up with a need, then go shopping for something else - or if you see something new and cool see if you have a need for it.
For starters get a 24-70 2.8L II, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 16-35 2.8L II, TS-E 17 L, TS-E 24 II L, 85 1.2L II, 35 1.4L, 135 2L, 100 2.8L IS Macro, 300 2.8L IS II, 500 4L IS II, 1.4XIII, 2XIII, 8-15 4L, then step back, relax, use them and decide what you need more...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You accomplished the feat of toasting thousands of dollars in camera gear without any redundancy. :o It's good for me to forget that I read your suggestion. :P

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« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2014, 01:04:45 PM »
For starters get a 24-70 2.8L II, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 16-35 2.8L II, TS-E 17 L, TS-E 24 II L, 85 1.2L II, 35 1.4L, 135 2L, 100 2.8L IS Macro, 300 2.8L IS II, 500 4L IS II, 1.4XIII, 2XIII, 8-15 4L, then step back, relax, use them and decide what you need more...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You reminded me of a dude, Dylan777 ;D ;D ;D

+1 with Neuro and others - "Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap"
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2014, 01:12:58 PM »
For starters get a 24-70 2.8L II, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 16-35 2.8L II, TS-E 17 L, TS-E 24 II L, 85 1.2L II, 35 1.4L, 135 2L, 100 2.8L IS Macro, 300 2.8L IS II, 500 4L IS II, 1.4XIII, 2XIII, 8-15 4L, then step back, relax, use them and decide what you need more...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You reminded me of a dude, Dylan777 ;D ;D ;D

+1 with Neuro and others - "Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap"
Hmmm, which lens addresses your ... "gap"? The 600mm f/4L IS II or the 200-400 L ?  ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2014, 05:09:21 PM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.
+1. This is a question that pops up repeatedly so I thought I'd chip in with a more detailed response and share my thoughts... Sometimes gear isn't needed at all, but rather knowledge. In order of importance: Knowledge/Training, Lighting, Lenses, Bodies

Photography is creating an image using light. Understanding and being able to craft light is the most important thing in photography. Skillful use of a cheap body and kit lens and "good light" will produce better results than a $6000 body with a $4000 lens in "bad light".

That being said, you should look at equipment purchases as investments. You are investing in something that can influence the quality or existence of your final images, whether that investment is in training, lighting equipment, lenses or a body.
e.g. Wider aperture lenses could offer faster AF which could mean the difference between getting a shot at a critical moment vs missing the shot.

Another factor to consider is that a lens with good optics can hold its value better than a lens that is bad optically.
e.g. Something like say the 100mm f/2.8 L IS will hold its value over time whereas you might not be able to sell a poor quality lens down the line to fund upgrades, because there is little demand for a weak-performance 2nd-hand lens.

The third factor I'd mention is that having more equipment leads to higher insurance premiums. So you should assess every [however often] to see what equipment is actually bringing in the money/the-shots-you-want vs just sitting in a closet leaching away your money in insurance.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2014, 10:31:40 PM »
Don't 'collect gear'. Figure out what you need to do that you can't with your current gear, then get what addresses that gap.
Exactly! There was another thread I was going to post in before this one caught my eye. In that thread I was going to say that my photography teacher asks questions from the reading as a form of taking attendance and he'll spring funny questions to lighten things up like - how many lenses are enough for a photographer.
The "correct" answer is "just one more..." you're always going to want another one.
But, to buy up stuff just because you're a collector and not knowing how or why to use some of the equipment doesn't seem to make sense to me. Buy one thing at a time, use the heck out of it and enjoy it. If you come up with a need, then go shopping for something else - or if you see something new and cool see if you have a need for it.
For starters get a 24-70 2.8L II, 70-200 2.8L IS II, 16-35 2.8L II, TS-E 17 L, TS-E 24 II L, 85 1.2L II, 35 1.4L, 135 2L, 100 2.8L IS Macro, 300 2.8L IS II, 500 4L IS II, 1.4XIII, 2XIII, 8-15 4L, then step back, relax, use them and decide what you need more...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You accomplished the feat of toasting thousands of dollars in camera gear without any redundancy. :o It's good for me to forget that I read your suggestion. :P

I'd argue that, the 17TS-E and 1.4 TC make the 24 TS-E close to redundant, and the 135 f2 and 100 Macro L are so similar I've yet to meet anybody that can reliably distinguish between images shot with either.
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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2014, 12:19:05 AM »
I'd consider a copy of Lightroom at this point; the lens profiles work well and the more distortion you have the more it does for you.  At $150 (or less at B&H in a bundle with many things) it is a lot of value.  It's one thing you can use with anything from an SL1 and a plastic fantastic to a 1Dx and whatever lens you'd care to consider.

Food for thought, and this is definitely only my opinion - priced accordingly!

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2014, 07:10:22 AM »
I'd argue that...the 135 f2 and 100 Macro L are so similar I've yet to meet anybody that can reliably distinguish between images shot with either.

Which of those two lenses do you think was used for this shot?   ;)

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2014, 10:09:09 AM »
I'd argue that...the 135 f2 and 100 Macro L are so similar I've yet to meet anybody that can reliably distinguish between images shot with either.

Which of those two lenses do you think was used for this shot?   ;)




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I didn't word that very well did I? Nothing new there. What I meant was if you have the 17 TS-E and a 1.4 TC there is very little practical need for a 24 TS-E, and if you have the 100 L Macro there is little practical need for the 135 f2.

As you, I do a lot of research before buying a lens after deciding I need one, I travel a lot so whilst having one of everything might be a nice idea (principally to a collector  :)  ) it is generally impractical. My research, specifically with regards actual resultant images, pointed me to get the 17TS-E (and a 1.4 TC) and the 100L Macro, even though I shot with a 135 f2 for many years in the manual focus FD system.
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I'd argue that...the 135 f2 and 100 Macro L are so similar I've yet to meet anybody that can reliably distinguish between images shot with either.

Which of those two lenses do you think was used for this shot?   ;)




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