October 25, 2014, 06:18:12 PM

Author Topic: How do you become so famous that you have assistants to do it all for you?  (Read 4525 times)

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Needless to say though, the results were superb. However, if you're familier with Skye, anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One.
Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish! Photography isn't just about doing donkey's work of carrying stuff and setting up etc ... I totally disagree with your comment that "anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One" ... that's like saying that all the special effects guys could have made the movie Jurassic Park and there was no need for Steven Spielberg ... any art (including photography) requires creative thinking, a vision and a plan to see the end product in your mind even before you go out there to shoot. In addition to all that you also need business acumen to market your work to be successful/famous ... no matter how many helping hands you have, they can never replace an artist's creative genius, vision and the ability portray that work in a manner that is appealing to the intended market/client.
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Needless to say though, the results were superb. However, if you're familier with Skye, anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One.
Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish! Photography isn't just about doing donkey's work of carrying stuff and setting up etc ... I totally disagree with your comment that "anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One" ... that's like saying that all the special effects guys could have made the movie Jurassic Park and there was no need for Steven Spielberg ... any art (including photography) requires creative thinking, a vision and a plan to see the end product in your mind even before you go out there to shoot. In addition to all that you also need business acumen to market your work to be successful/famous ... no matter how many helping hands you have, they can never replace an artist's creative genius, vision and the ability portray that work in a manner that is appealing to the intended market/client.
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I'm a bit puzzled why you started an otherwise informative and enlightening post with such a condescending beginning.

the title of this thread and the presumptions made by the OP annoyed me. statements like "anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One." warrant a sharp response imo. it cheapens the often unseen efforts, experience and ability that many pro photographers bring to the table.

i have generally steered clear of threads like these. the threads about Andreas Gursky's work are another example of presumptuous statements being bandied about that just exhibit ignorance. its one thing to have opinion...its another thing to marginalize a person or his work out of ignorance.

i carefully worded that opening statement so as not to completely disregard the presence and contributions of a number of members on this site and possibly jog a few more responses from professionals. i stand by the statement as i wrote it. there are many whom i enjoy and respect on these forums, both professional and amateur. Sporgon and Florian to name a few, as well as others.

and to be clear, i personally dont place myself anywhere near the experience and abilities of a great photographer. by my own estimation, i'm very far from where i want to be. but when all is said and done, i want to be able to say that i am a true expert in this field. someday. its because of this that i work very hard and keep an open mind towards others in my profession. i want to always be learning and improving and take pride in being able to contribute to the growth and success of those that i do work with. 
   

Thanks agierke.  That's a great explanation.  This CR forum is the only one I mess with because most of the valued contributors like Sporgon, Florian, (et al, there are so many more) share so much good knowledge and the moderators do a good job of minimizing the BS and crap.  Ignorance is why we all come here.  To minimize it.  And as I said at the start of this thread, this thread is interesting because it has the potential of enlightening me about something I've always wondered about.  All we have are assumptions until we can replace them with facts.
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Lemme 'splain it to you:

Glamour ON:  Assistants!!
Glamour OFF: employees

wasn't that simple?

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Crumbs, a variety of observations - thank you for them all.

However! I feel a number of comments have veered off course. I didn't dispute the requirement and value of having assistants in photography as a whole. My point was specifically aimed at landscape photography by a respected professional. There is a clear destinction.

Every single one of us on this site will know of some corner of the globe that they would love to photograph. They can imagine the image they want in their head, they know what time of year to visit to ensure the type of light required (in the film, Watson visited Skye in October to ensure "heavy" skies and dramatic light). You may need a local guide to lead you to the ideal spot (i.e. assistance) but you would't let them set your gear up - perhaps some of you might!

I still stand by my original observation - landscape photography requires you to pick a spot, wait for the light, press the button. Did you apply the "rule of thirds" or do you subscribe to the "rules are there to be broken" school of thought? Finally, a medium format Phase One might give better results than your cameraphone.

It would seem a number of you wish to overcomplicate matters.

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Crumbs, a variety of observations - thank you for them all.

However! I feel a number of comments have veered off course. I didn't dispute the requirement and value of having assistants in photography as a whole. My point was specifically aimed at landscape photography by a respected professional. There is a clear destinction.

Every single one of us on this site will know of some corner of the globe that they would love to photograph. They can imagine the image they want in their head, they know what time of year to visit to ensure the type of light required (in the film, Watson visited Skye in October to ensure "heavy" skies and dramatic light). You may need a local guide to lead you to the ideal spot (i.e. assistance) but you would't let them set your gear up - perhaps some of you might!

I still stand by my original observation - landscape photography requires you to pick a spot, wait for the light, press the button. Did you apply the "rule of thirds" or do you subscribe to the "rules are there to be broken" school of thought? Finally, a medium format Phase One might give better results than your cameraphone.

It would seem a number of you wish to overcomplicate matters.
The replies you have received so far, from many CR members, do not "wish to overcomplicate matters", unfortunately it your complete ignorance of what it takes to be a professional artist/photographer, that is complicating things in your mind. First you say "anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One" , than you say "a medium format Phase One might give better results than your cameraphone::) ... you are either really that thick to understand what the other members are saying or you are deliberately trying to belittle a 72 year old senior professional photographer for not carrying/setting his big tripods, cameras, umbrella, laptops and what not >:( ... if you really think that anyone can get excellent shots there, why don't you show your images of Skye, next to the images made by Albert Watson ... so you can justify your claim of "anyone can get excellent shots there".  ::)
FYI, one does not become a famous photographer for cribbing on online forums about other famous & successful photographers ... to be a famous and successful artist it takes passion for your art, even when you are 72 years old, to go out there and make awesome images and than have the business acumen to market those images to your client.
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Rienzphotoz - okay, you've made it clear you didn't understand my post at all. Time to move on.

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Needless to say though, the results were superb. However, if you're familier with Skye, anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One.
Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish! Photography isn't just about doing donkey's work of carrying stuff and setting up etc ... I totally disagree with your comment that "anyone could get excellent shots there - especially a Phase One" ... that's like saying that all the special effects guys could have made the movie Jurassic Park and there was no need for Steven Spielberg ... any art (including photography) requires creative thinking, a vision and a plan to see the end product in your mind even before you go out there to shoot. In addition to all that you also need business acumen to market your work to be successful/famous ... no matter how many helping hands you have, they can never replace an artist's creative genius, vision and the ability portray that work in a manner that is appealing to the intended market/client.
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"...they can never replace an artist's creative genius, vision and the ability portray that work in a manner that is appealing to the intended market/client." If that's not true than Photography has no place for me.
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Rienzphotoz - okay, you've made it clear you didn't understand my post at all. Time to move on.
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it shocks me sometimes the narrow point of view that is expressed about certain subjects and how little knowledge there is on this forum about professional photography. i thought there were more professionals on this forum but it seems more and more there is not...or at least they remain quiet readers for the most part.

I was not aware that CR was restricted to professional photographers.  I thought it was a forum for people to whine about Canon gear.  :)
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it shocks me sometimes the narrow point of view that is expressed about certain subjects and how little knowledge there is on this forum about professional photography. i thought there were more professionals on this forum but it seems more and more there is not...or at least they remain quiet readers for the most part.

I was not aware that CR was restricted to professional photographers.  I thought it was a forum for people to whine about Canon gear.  :)

Yeah, it gets kinda cheesy sometimes too.   ;D
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I was not aware that CR was restricted to professional photographers.
For the US members: Only CPS is restricted to professional photographers  ;) ;) ;)

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