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« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 11:42:31 AM »
This will kill sales of Canon's 50/1.2L - even at its current rebate price of  $1,469.00. The Sigma is almost half the price of the "L".

Dunno about that. I just met a guy who recently bought a 35L and loves it, and he happily paid almost double the price of the superior Sigma 35A.

a red ring junkie?

my father has the 35L so i know it pretty well... but i prefer my sigma 35mm f1.4.

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« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2014, 11:45:58 AM »
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Dunno about that. I just met a guy who recently bought a 35L and loves it, and he happily paid almost double the price of the superior Sigma 35A.

a red ring junkie?

my father has the 35L so i know it pretty well... but i prefer my sigma 35mm f1.4.

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« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2014, 12:08:52 PM »
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Dunno about that. I just met a guy who recently bought a 35L and loves it, and he happily paid almost double the price of the superior Sigma 35A.

a red ring junkie?

my father has the 35L so i know it pretty well... but i prefer my sigma 35mm f1.4.

Didn't seem like an L junkie. There are many possible reasons- some people don't like to consider 3rd party products, some people like the 'look' of a particular lens. Similarly I'm sure the 50L will have its loyalists.
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2014, 12:15:14 PM »
This will kill sales of Canon's 50/1.2L - even at its current rebate price of  $1,469.00. The Sigma is almost half the price of the "L".

Dunno about that. I just met a guy who recently bought a 35L and loves it, and he happily paid almost double the price of the superior Sigma 35A.

Although I hope and pray the Sigma 50 ART turns out to be a great lens, with perfect AF and no third-party issues, my own needs revolve more around the overall "look and feel" and color than sheer sharpness.  This is why 35L fits my own needs better than Sigma 35 ART, so I understand that "guy" who loves his 35L. 

I truly hope the Sigma 50 ART can bring lively colors and subject separation/"pop" from wonderful background bokeh, then I will replace my 50L with it.

Please watch this...I feel the same way as this very responsible reviewer. He pretty much covers everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OuN1ywuufg

"my own needs revolve more around the overall "look and feel" and color than sheer sharpness." Can you elaborate on this statement....it is kind of nebulous.

I also saw that video, and while I'd prefer the 35A to the 35L, the video looks biased from the beginning.
The minute he talks about liberal use of plastic in the Canon and how that still didn't help keep the price down it was clear which one he preferred.
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2014, 01:33:51 PM »
If you take $790 and consider what that must pay for, it becomes a bit difficult to believe that this lens can compete with the Otus in any way.

You do realize that Canon pays around $300 to manufacture a $2400 MSRP lens right? The manufacturing is not what costs a lot, it's the initial set up and the R&D and marketing and prototyping. Canon has huge overhead from millions of dollars poured into research, design and manufacturing facilities.


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(If memory serves me right) 10 lens elements, of which 3 are SLD and one aspherical, a fast reliable AF system, housing, hoods and caps and casing and profit ... I fail to see how it is possible to produce a high quality product, with tolerances to compete with L-series, Otus and others, for that money, no matter how efficient you are or how cheap your labor is.

I'd be delighted if they prove me wrong. That would make this lens a significant game changer!

It doesn't matter what you think. This lens has ALREADY been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be twice as good as anything else with autofocus period. We have raw data, we have prototypes that have been proven to match the raw data, we have the lens' design data that has been verified as capable of providing the performance etc etc.

This lens makes anything else you can buy in it's class that has autofocus completely obsolete from a performance standpoint. We're talking the same difference as Tamron 18-270mm vs 24-70mm f/2.8 L II. It's also set to have amazing bokeh, being designed to mimic the 50L f/1.2 and low color fringing and hazing so overall it should be better in every way than competitors.

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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2014, 02:26:51 PM »
If you take $790 and consider what that must pay for, it becomes a bit difficult to believe that this lens can compete with the Otus in any way.

You do realize that Canon pays around $300 to manufacture a $2400 MSRP lens right? The manufacturing is not what costs a lot, it's the initial set up and the R&D and marketing and prototyping. Canon has huge overhead from millions of dollars poured into research, design and manufacturing facilities.


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(If memory serves me right) 10 lens elements, of which 3 are SLD and one aspherical, a fast reliable AF system, housing, hoods and caps and casing and profit ... I fail to see how it is possible to produce a high quality product, with tolerances to compete with L-series, Otus and others, for that money, no matter how efficient you are or how cheap your labor is.

I'd be delighted if they prove me wrong. That would make this lens a significant game changer!

It doesn't matter what you think. This lens has ALREADY been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be twice as good as anything else with autofocus period. We have raw data, we have prototypes that have been proven to match the raw data, we have the lens' design data that has been verified as capable of providing the performance etc etc.

This lens makes anything else you can buy in it's class that has autofocus completely obsolete from a performance standpoint. We're talking the same difference as Tamron 18-270mm vs 24-70mm f/2.8 L II. It's also set to have amazing bokeh, being designed to mimic the 50L f/1.2 and low color fringing and hazing so overall it should be better in every way than competitors.
I´m glad for your enthusiasm and I really hope you will be satisfied. Yes, I have read the Sigma ambition and yes, I have seen images from what I assume to be carefully selected copies and it looks very promising. But I need to see a lot more before I am convinced. I will most likely buy one to check it out. I have the 35 Art and apart from a drifting AF system, it is optically and mechanically a very impressive lens for the price.

But no, unlike you, I do not have detailed insight into neither Sigma´s nor Canon´s production processes or sub contracting arrangements. I do not know their cost break down structure or how they develop their business cases. But the required glass quality and production tolerances required to deliver consistent quality at the level they claim with this lens, at a RRP of $790, with a sustainable profit ... does not sound realistic to me.

But, as I said, if they deliver, it will be a major game changer, where we as customers will be the winners.
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2014, 06:16:47 PM »
Why is it soo difficult for the 35 Art fanboys to accept that people can like the 35 L better?
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« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2014, 07:13:48 PM »
Why is it soo difficult for the 35 Art fanboys to accept that people can like the 35 L better?

Dunno I'm a fan of the sigma 35 and 85 the current 50 not so much
My personal feeling when testing the sigma 85 vs 85L side by side was while i felt the 85 was marginally better
in sharpness and had a little nicer bokeh was it worth TRIPLE the money to me? HELL NO so i got the sigma and have been super happy with it.

I almost bought the 35L the day sigma announced the 35 Art so i held off until i could try both, again in Australia the 35L was $1800 the Sigma on release was $900, I bought the Sigma and with the change bought a 2 year old used 135L for $700 still had $200 change... I felt there was absolutely nothing wrong with the L it was fantastic but for such a massive difference in cost it was no way worth it to me.

I think when people compare absolutes or just optical sharpness and neglect other factors such as cost or how the lens relates to their situation you know its more about the gear or the image they present of themselves using the gear than the images they make with the gear ;) then you have people who just need to buy the most expensive of everything....

But I don't honestly know too any people that money is really no object for. I am certainly not one.

The Simple fact that these new sigmas are being compared to such fine L glass or the otus is great news for us consumers. But if someone has owned some of this great L glass for years and has been producing great images with that lens Just because the competition releases something which will equal or exceed it in a particular metric does that make that lens suddenly unable to produce the fine images its been producing for so long? I don't think so. Generally people on the internet do get a little hung up on specs, scores, etc... we all do i guess to one degree or another hence we all congregate here. Just have to keep it all in perspective :)
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2014, 08:11:43 PM »
If you take $790 and consider what that must pay for, it becomes a bit difficult to believe that this lens can compete with the Otus in any way.

(If memory serves me right) 10 lens elements, of which 3 are SLD and one aspherical, a fast reliable AF system, housing, hoods and caps and casing and profit ... I fail to see how it is possible to produce a high quality product, with tolerances to compete with L-series, Otus and others, for that money, no matter how efficient you are or how cheap your labor is.

I'd be delighted if they prove me wrong. That would make this lens a significant game changer!

I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2014, 10:58:26 PM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)

Yup, skyrocketing with 10%+ salary increases per year.  :D

There's a reason why an increasing number of companies are looking to move out of China. Heck, there are even Chinese companies will take your order and outsource the manufacturing to lower cost countries in South East Asia.

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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2014, 11:29:55 PM »
I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)

Yup, skyrocketing with 10%+ salary increases per year.  :D

There's a reason why an increasing number of companies are looking to move out of China. Heck, there are even Chinese companies will take your order and outsource the manufacturing to lower cost countries in South East Asia.

I know we are just kidding... but it seems as though Americans are constantly sucking at the teet of slave labor.  While the Chinese wouldn't exactly qualify... they are pretty close.  It is a touch depressing, although I don't ever think about it when I'm shooting.
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2014, 12:41:22 AM »
Why is it soo difficult for the 35 Art fanboys to accept that people can like the 35 L better?

Because I am not professional but hobbyist, money matters sometimes. I tried the 35 f1.4L, 35 f2IS and 35 Art and I ellected the 35 f2IS because I got at a very good price below $500, while the 35L and 35 Art offer faster aperture to stop action, I rather preffered how the 'IS' works for low light situations with sharp pictures at 1/5 sec handhold.

In regards to the new 50mm Art, if the results are like these tests I will probably get one. I owned the 50L and I was very pleased, however I needed some cash and sold it. I was never satisfied with the Canon 50mm f1.4 and I also sold it.

I will be waiting for the results of the actual prefessional reviews and user reviews of the 50 'Art' to decide if I get a new 'fifty' at half cost of the 50L. Also, I hope Canon release a 'stabilized' 50mm this year.
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Re: Sigma 50mm F/1.4 Art listed in Belarus for $790
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2014, 01:02:55 AM »
If you take $790 and consider what that must pay for, it becomes a bit difficult to believe that this lens can compete with the Otus in any way.

(If memory serves me right) 10 lens elements, of which 3 are SLD and one aspherical, a fast reliable AF system, housing, hoods and caps and casing and profit ... I fail to see how it is possible to produce a high quality product, with tolerances to compete with L-series, Otus and others, for that money, no matter how efficient you are or how cheap your labor is.

I'd be delighted if they prove me wrong. That would make this lens a significant game changer!

I doubt this lens be made in Japan. It's more likely be made in China.

We all know the labor cost in China ;)

The current $400 50mm F/1.4 is made in Japan.  I don't see why Sigma moves its art production line to China.
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« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2014, 04:59:30 AM »
That's yet another thing I don't get, buying brand new lenses. I always compare used prices when it comes to price differences. So a used 5 year old 35 L isn't much more money than a brand new used 35 Art, which makes the money argument less valid, although it is still more money for the 35 L. And I'm not going to beat the very dead horse and say the 35 Art AF is the reason I don't own one, I actually tried a third 35 art the other day and the AF was stable and okay, NOTHING like the one I bought, so it is possible.

I can't wait to try the Sigma 50 Art, that's for sure.
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« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2014, 05:13:05 AM »
That's yet another thing I don't get, buying brand new lenses. I always compare used prices when it comes to price differences. So a used 5 year old 35 L isn't much more money than a brand new used 35 Art, which makes the money argument less valid, although it is still more money for the 35 L. And I'm not going to beat the very dead horse and say the 35 Art AF is the reason I don't own one, I actually tried a third 35 art the other day and the AF was stable and okay, NOTHING like the one I bought, so it is possible.

I can't wait to try the Sigma 50 Art, that's for sure.

My 35 Art AF is perfect, can't fault it, I couldn't really notice much in it when i tested side by side with the 35L
the 85 Siggy AF is good but its not so great in servo wide open tracking moving subjects but then neither is the slower AF of the 85L
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