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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2014, 05:13:02 AM »
Not sure what this OP has to do with the Sigma 50mm at all???  More of a 35mm vs 35mm topic, or having one very strong 24-70mm vs three decent primes.

Personally, I'd rather use one heavyish lens than deal with changing during a wedding, of all events!

I did sell my 24-70mm v 1 and feel the version 2 is equal to all its hype (eg "like a bag full of primes).

And I love my Sigma 35mm 1.4, as I obviously don't get tired of announcing.

But TOUCHING on 50mm, for many shots, the Canon 50mm 1.4 is great at weddings in low light, with speedy AF, and good sharpness at f/2 - f/8.  To me, the Sigma will have to be spectacular to be worth retiring it.

Glad, though, to hear the 35mm 2.0 is so nice.

Well reasoned and succinct response, +1.

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« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2014, 05:13:02 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2014, 05:20:58 AM »
The 35/2 IS is a great lens -- one of my favorites.  It's just right for image quality, autofocus, bokeh, size, weight, price, etc.  But a wide angle is not an alternative to a standard.  An alternative to a 50mm is another 50mm or a mid-range zoom.

Exactly.
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« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2014, 07:26:28 AM »
I have the old sigma 50mm, kicks pants off canon 1.4, especially build quality,  but also sharpness. My canon, along with many unfortunate consumers out there, broke from light usage, the focussing mechanisms/moving front element are fragile as. $250 to fix on a $400 lens, no thanks canon especially since the service centre dude said its likely to happen again. Been happy with the sigma for years so any talk about poor quality/qa etc. doesn't exist in my book.  I bought the sigma 35 1.4 due to my positive experience with the 50, it is wonderful.
I will look forward to seeing shots from the new sigma 50 and will consider upgrading only if it is phenomenally sharp, my current one is tops.

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2014, 09:06:00 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2014, 10:23:36 AM »
Some great points and all taken. I was offering an alternative and would counter that to my mind a 35mm lens does not fall in the wide angle category that would be more the 10-24 ranges , the current crop of 35/40/50 lenses are all standards as in they can be kept on camera to take standard shots, many moons ago though 35mm would have been classed as wide as there were very limited options and sometimes a 35 50 or 70+ were all their was to choose from so I can see where your coming from.

I think the way of things now 24 is just on the edge of wide with DSLRs with most opting for the 14-17 areas.

So far that reason and for me anyway the 35 and 50s are competing for a place in my own bag , and having owned the 50mm 1.2L and still owning the rather cheap 50mm 1.4 ( canon ) i can happily say i much prefer the 35mm.

Also out of interest i do shoot the occasional video clip too so the IS as well as useful in low light has come in very handy for the video side too.

Looking forward to seeing some stellar shots from the new Sigma and if the reviews of their recent lenses are anything to go by maybe they have finally nailed the QC problems ?

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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2014, 10:47:45 AM »
For info for those interested DXO mark one of the most trusted resources online scores ( in brakcets ) the following lenses based on metrics of sharpness distortion etc

Canon 35mm 1.4L (27)
Canon 35mm F2 IS (29)
Canon 24-70 2.8II L (26)
Sigma 35 1.4 Art (30)

on those specs it would follow that the Sigma will edge the market but whether it is going to be a realistic price is more the question - for me sub 800 would be its perfect position and then it will tempt a lot of people but from what i have heard there are rumours of well in excess of 1000 ?

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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2014, 11:06:42 AM »
DXO mark one of the most trusted resources online

Whoa ! Steady.

( It's the 11th of April to day. You missed out a 1 ).

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« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2014, 11:10:27 AM »
For info for those interested DXO mark one of the most trusted resources online scores ( in brakcets ) the following lenses based on metrics of sharpness distortion etc

Canon 35mm 1.4L (27)
Canon 35mm F2 IS (29)
Canon 24-70 2.8II L (26)
Sigma 35 1.4 Art (30)

Sorry, but no.  First off, DxOMark is far from 'one of the most trusted online resources' when it comes to lens scores.  For example, DxOMark data show that the 17-40L is nearly as sharp in the corners as the center at f/4, and that the corners at f/4 are sharper than the 16-35/2.8L II's corners at f/8.  Anyone who's shot with both lenses knows that's BS.   They also said that the 70-200/2.8L IS II was not quite as good as the MkI version of that lens, also complete BS (although they say differently now - when called on their error, they at first defended their conclusions, then over a year later silently updated their data to show that the MkII is much better, a fact well known to everyone else). 

Second, their Lens Score is based primarily on 'performance in 150 lux illumination', and only secondarily on the relevant optical measures like sharpness, distortion, etc. 
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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2014, 11:58:27 AM »
For info for those interested DXO mark one of the most trusted resources online

Come on guys, give the guy a break. He obviously just misspelled "least".
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2014, 12:04:47 PM »
" Canon 35mm F2 IS and oh my god what a lens. "

Poster (?) is correct it is a fantastic lens. Best Bokah amongst all the 35mm Sigma or L's

Gives hope that the new 35 L (II) (IS) probably (II) will be an awesome monster (dont hold your breathe though, you will suffocate... so slowww)

answering the rest of the post...

Nice pic, you can take that pic with a 24 70 though. and unless you are the little invisible picture guy who darts around weddings like a Grey Man... its nice to have zoom and not have to get in everyone elses way to get a pic... *professionalism almost surely calls for the flexibility of a zoom"


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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2014, 01:01:57 PM »
*professionalism almost surely calls for the flexibility of a zoom"

agreed.  our lead shooter will pull out the primes (14/50/100 MacroL) for the "creative shot" if the other shooter(s) have the important shots.  The usual scenario is one shooter on a 24-70 (I or II), another shooter on 70-200 (I or II).  We can get more than adequate shallow DOF with a 70-200 2.8.  in a wedding, speed/efficiency is key.  primes just don't offer that flexibility. 

That said, there are occasions when I shoot when I'd like to have the option to use a 50mm at f/1.4-2.  I'm seriously considering one of these Sigma Art 50mm lenses after I purchase a 16-35 f/2.8L II and a 100mm Macro L.
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« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2014, 01:26:06 PM »
For info for those interested DXO mark one of the most trusted resources online scores ( in brakcets ) the following lenses based on metrics of sharpness distortion etc

If you look at DxO's lens ratings, the highest rated Canon-made lens (after the 35/2 IS) is the 100/2.  The 100/2 is a fine lens and a bargain, but is/was it the best among ALL other Canon lenses (before the 35/2 IS existed)?  ALL of them — really?  I don't think so.  Somehow, despite being around since 1991, it didn't win the love and praise of photographers as the BEST Canon lens.  Check user ratings on fredmiranda, bhphoto and other sites that have user ratings.  If DxO were a reliable match for real world experience, photographers would have crowned the 100/2 as the "King" of all Canon lenses a long time ago.

For a good perspective on the trustworthiness of MTF testing, check out this article:  http://toothwalker.org/optics/lenstest.html .  The author writes:

"A low-cost lens MTF test has emerged by means of target reproduction photography and dedicated image analysis software. The method is valuable in that it yields measurements of system MTF. One can only admire the efforts that testers put in, because this illustrates how difficult it is to get the most out of your equipment also in everyday photography. Unfortunately the methodology also has serious disadvantages. Since system MTF is measured and not lens MTF, the results are difficult to interpret. Moreover, the method yields lens ratings for reproduction photography, which for many lenses is not the intended application."

I don't know about DxO, but some web sites test lenses as if they were "reproduction lenses" (i.e. for shooting flat subjects at near distances) even though most lenses were not designed as "reproduction lenses" and most photography is not "reproduction photography" (i.e. of documents, flat artwork, etc.).
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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2014, 01:30:07 PM »
*professionalism almost surely calls for the flexibility of a zoom"

agreed.  our lead shooter will pull out the primes (14/50/100 MacroL) for the "creative shot" if the other shooter(s) have the important shots.  The usual scenario is one shooter on a 24-70 (I or II), another shooter on 70-200 (I or II).  We can get more than adequate shallow DOF with a 70-200 2.8.  in a wedding, speed/efficiency is key.  primes just don't offer that flexibility. 

I disagree.  I happen to like a mix of primes and zooms, but one can deliver equally professional results using either primes or zooms exclusively.  It's more a question of personal style and personal preferences than professionalism.

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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2014, 02:01:09 PM »
*professionalism almost surely calls for the flexibility of a zoom"

agreed.  our lead shooter will pull out the primes (14/50/100 MacroL) for the "creative shot" if the other shooter(s) have the important shots.  The usual scenario is one shooter on a 24-70 (I or II), another shooter on 70-200 (I or II).  We can get more than adequate shallow DOF with a 70-200 2.8.  in a wedding, speed/efficiency is key.  primes just don't offer that flexibility. 

I disagree.  I happen to like a mix of primes and zooms, but one can deliver equally professional results using either primes or zooms exclusively.  It's more a question of personal style and personal preferences than professionalism.

Nothing wrong at all with a mix of primes or for that matter using only zooms.

My point is a personal reflection and based on having shot over 200,000 frames with the 24-70 70-200 combo. Eventually it came to a point where i wanted more. 2.8 was just not enough and the distortion and sharpness of the 24-70 is questionable at times. The 70-200 i will still keep in the bag as it still has its place.

However the overly popular duo of 24-70 70-200 which to be honest is the safe choice has now been replaced by a 24 35 85 combo which without question to me is better for low light , sharpness , bokeh and lighter to carry each lens on camera offers the flexibility of the IS on the 24 and 35 also offering better video potential. I do not miss any shots as i plan what i am doing and where and also have the 35 and 85 to hand all the time and to be honest i have not needed to use the 24 anywhere near as much as i thought in most cases just step back with the 35 !

I am Pro Full time wedding photographer and have been for years and the 24-70 has been for many years my go to lens so in no way i am saying its rubbish because its not , but the primes for me deliver more , and the much ado about the Sigma 50mm just goes to show most people are fully aware of how good prime lenses are - it just takes a leap of faith and a bit more thought to use them instead of the safety of the zoom.

It is as has been said personal taste and i personally could not get away with the focal length of the 50mm 1.2L it just did not do it for me or match my style, I was tempted by the Sigma 35 1.4 and I wanted to buy the 35 1.4L canon but it was just so old in the tooth it put me off, so this Canon combo ticked all the boxes.

I have yet to fully get to grips with the 24mm 2.8 IS but it seems very sharp and able to take ridiculous close ups, however it is obvious or seems to be that there is a difference in the glass and the 35mm F2 IS has a better colour to the shots.

Looking forward to seeing the results of the sigma 50mm it will be interesting !

Another example of the 35mm F2 IS



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Re: New 50mm Sigma ? There are other options !
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2014, 10:14:33 PM »
It is a good lens with IS and at a decent price, but nothing more than that.

It delivers consistently but it has absolutely nothing special about it.

What a load of cobblers, it is a fantastic lens. To answer the other questions and comments it has replaced a 24-70 2.8L v1 , and i dont have any issue changing lenses as i have two bodies one on my belt and one round my neck. Each to their own if you prefer the lower quality but higher convenience of a zoom then fine but don't go attempting to justify your laziness by saying primes are no good as all top photographers will tell you different.
So, you're a pro, and you just figured out that primes are better than zooms.....  ok. got it!

I'm a little confused how you're offering a 35mm f2 lens as an alternative to a 50mm f1.4? The whole idea is a little off.
btw, you sound like a total Canon shill.
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