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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2014, 04:02:20 AM »
Overall a good sign, meaning Canon has not given up on EOS-M system yet.
Well said. And It's giving us hope for the future.

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Will be interesting to see, what Canon's will do regarding their mirrorless APS-C offering ... 

1. Will the EF-M 55-200 be offered in US?
The lens is featured on the Canon Europe homepage and on Japan, China and other Asian homepages. But not (yet?) on US homepage.
We will know the answer quite soon.

2. Will EOS M2 be offered in Europe too? In US?
Currently open to anybody's guess. Personally, I don't think so.
Difficult to say. I am not willing to make any guess on both points.
But it seems, that Canon US has no confidence in EOS M, and why should have the consumers then...?
Wrong sign IMHO.

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3. Will there be an M3?
same thing as now, just with DPAF 70D sensor + AF?
Or higher end, with EVF ... as a fully capable Fuji XT-1 competitor?
and when?
And if so ... will it be offered in Japan/China only? Or Asia? Europe? US?
My guess here is that an EOS M3 will be an evolution of M and M2:
Same size, better sensor, better AF, hopefully an optional EVF like the G1 X M2.
But nothing more. And this will be a bit disappointing again.
But still a much more interesting aproach to this market segment than M and M2,
especially if EVF is included.
And maybe then Canon US is overthinking their strategy in almost ignoring EOS M.

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My best case scenario would be a surprise "killer EOS-M3" announced in August/for photokina ... fully competitive mirrorless APS-C body [+system] in terms of sensor, AF performance, EVF, battery charge. Don't think it will happen, though. More likely, Canon will continue to snooze and lose ... and continue to watch how Sony and Fuji are nibbling away at their APS-C market share. :-)
Would be nice, but I would be very surprised (positively), if that would happen.
When I look at the Oly OMD E1, I think "I want this sort of camera! But with a bigger sensor. And a Canon user interface."
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2014, 04:02:20 AM »

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2014, 04:09:45 AM »
400$ for 55-200 6.3 kit telephoto zoom?

Are they out of their minds?

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2014, 04:36:26 AM »
Now we have a price for Europe:  € 329,-
http://www.photoscala.de/Artikel/EF-M-45-6355-200-mm-IS-STM

If optical performance is on par with the EF-S 55-250 STM, then it is well worth the money.
Provided, one cares for a f/4.5-6.3 lens ... with only 1 dated camera body available to mount it on. :-)

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2014, 07:00:24 AM »
ehh I'm not so sure on this one. I'm kinda disappointed Canon has started to go the f/6.3 route on the tele end, and 200mm is not even that long. I sure hope it is a big chunk smaller than the 55-250mm IS STM because I gotta say that has more appeal as being longer, slightly faster (hey can use that 1/3 stop to improve IQ slightly) and possibly not that much bigger - in the sense that they both may cross the line in terms of requiring a certain sized bag, etc.
Hurry up Canon and do something with your sensors! :P

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2014, 07:15:02 AM »
It has appeared on the Canon UK website, so I suppose that means it will be available over here.  :)    No price that I can find though.  And it does look like a plastic mount.  :(

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2014, 08:06:40 AM »
Seems Canon is going the 3rd party way, and makes the max aperture at the longest end f/6.3, rather than f/5.6
I suppose this is just with the EOS-M system, to keep the advantages of its small size.
Also the max aperture got smaller at minimum length. And this allows Canon to use a front element with smaller diameter.

Indeed.

I don't believe that Canon will do this with EF-S lenses. Exept - maybe - with the super-zooms.

Nikon makes an 18-300mm f/3.5-6.3 DX, I wouldn't be surprised if Canon followed suit.

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2014, 08:16:09 AM »
ehh I'm not so sure on this one. I'm kinda disappointed Canon has started to go the f/6.3 route on the tele end, and 200mm is not even that long. I sure hope it is a big chunk smaller than the 55-250mm IS STM because I gotta say that has more appeal as being longer, slightly faster (hey can use that 1/3 stop to improve IQ slightly) and possibly not that much bigger - in the sense that they both may cross the line in terms of requiring a certain sized bag, etc.

The EF-M 50-200 is 22% shorter and 30% lighter than the EF-S 55-250.  That's comparing bare lenses, but since you need the EF Mount Adapter to use the EF-S lens, in practical use the new M telezoom is 38% shorter and 46% lighter.
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2014, 09:13:11 AM »
First EF-M lens with plastic mount.  ???
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #23 on: June 17, 2014, 09:21:16 AM »
First EF-M lens with plastic mount.  ???

so what ... it won't hurt optical performance nor durability. It's a convenience consumer lens at an affordable price. 
People who insist on metal mounts can get the all-metal EF-M/EF adapter and mount their full metal jacket L lenses. Or pay 1 grand a pop for Fuji X-lenses or Sony FE-"Zeiss"-pancakes.

I'd have happily traded the savings from plastic vs. metal mount against 1 stop more light though. ;-)

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2014, 09:22:23 AM »
I never bothered with the EF-M 18-55
It's actually better than you might think - nice metal build quality, the IS works well, and it's sharper than the DxO charts would indicate.  My preferred carry method for this camera is actually to have the body capped, um, body in one pocket and the 18-55 in the other.  When I'm ready to shoot, I just assemble them...

I'm considering the 11-22, but this little telephoto seems like it would be nice for travel as well.  If only it had a viewfinder, it would be the perfect travel camera.  Maybe the M3...

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2014, 09:26:50 AM »
400$ for 55-200 6.3 kit telephoto zoom?

Are they out of their minds?

because that 1/3 of a stop difference between 6.3 and 5.6 is going to make a huge difference in price.

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2014, 09:28:57 AM »
First EF-M lens with plastic mount.  ???

so what ... it won't hurt optical performance nor durability. It's a convenience consumer lens at an affordable price. 
People who insist on metal mounts can get the all-metal EF-M/EF adapter and mount their full metal jacket L lenses. Or pay 1 grand a pop for Fuji X-lenses or Sony FE-"Zeiss"-pancakes.

I'd have happily traded the savings from plastic vs. metal mount against 1 stop more light though. ;-)

I really don't bother. I just thought that it was odd when the others have metal mounts.
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2014, 09:44:59 AM »
400$ for 55-200 6.3 kit telephoto zoom?

Are they out of their minds?

because that 1/3 of a stop difference between 6.3 and 5.6 is going to make a huge difference in price.

That 1/3-stop means a 20% reduction in the size of the front element, so yes...that could make quite a significant difference in both lens size and cost.  That's something Tamron, Sigma, etc., have done for years (although they then have to 'spoof' the AF system to show the lens as f/5.6).
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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2014, 09:48:26 AM »
I really don't bother. I just thought that it was odd when the others have metal mounts.

yep, I agree. Even though I don't really mind plastic mounts on cheap lenses, a metal mount would have been "nicer" and in line with the other, rather well constructed lenses in the EF-M range. Even the EF-M 18-55 kit zoom got a metal mount, as opposed to the EF-S 18-55 STM (plastic).

But again, a rather superficial corner cut, compared to f/6.3 on the long end.   

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Re: Canon EF-M 55-200 f/4.5-6.3 IS STM Gets Official
« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2014, 10:02:06 AM »
I never bothered with the EF-M 18-55
It's actually better than you might think - nice metal build quality, the IS works well, and it's sharper than the DxO charts would indicate.  My preferred carry method for this camera is actually to have the body capped, um, body in one pocket and the 18-55 in the other.  When I'm ready to shoot, I just assemble them...

I'm considering the 11-22, but this little telephoto seems like it would be nice for travel as well.  If only it had a viewfinder, it would be the perfect travel camera.  Maybe the M3...

I have both the 18-55 and 22 f/2.  I prefer the 18-55.  It is a very nice lens.  Images are comparable to what I used to get with the EFS 15-85 on my 7D.   

Regarding the f/6.3, isn't the f stop somewhat moot with contrast detect AF?  Of course more light is likely better, but I thought that was more of an issue with phase detect.  Canon has had P&S cameras for years with >f/5.6 and contrast detect AF.  How is this any different?

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« Reply #29 on: June 17, 2014, 10:02:06 AM »