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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2014, 05:54:45 PM »
Raising the center column *up* adversely affects stability.  I think that is pretty self-evident.

But what about lowering the center column *down*?  Down as extending below and in-between the legs of the tripod?  Is that equally as unstable as raising it.  Is there any stability concerns with hanging the camera below the lowered center column?

I will often flip the center column when I am taking pictures of low flowers.  Is that a wise thing for me to do?

Wouldn't that lower the center of gravity of the entire apparatus... and much like hanging a sand bag on a hook on the column... it should have the same effect of adding stability.  I say go for it.
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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2014, 05:54:45 PM »

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #31 on: July 01, 2014, 06:03:06 PM »
Or is the sand bag adding more normal force and consequently greater inertia... which as we know... matter at rest tends to stay at rest unless...

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2014, 06:53:56 PM »
Raising the center column *up* adversely affects stability.  I think that is pretty self-evident.

But what about lowering the center column *down*?  Down as extending below and in-between the legs of the tripod?  Is that equally as unstable as raising it.  Is there any stability concerns with hanging the camera below the lowered center column?

I will often flip the center column when I am taking pictures of low flowers.  Is that a wise thing for me to do?

Wouldn't that lower the center of gravity of the entire apparatus... and much like hanging a sand bag on a hook on the column... it should have the same effect of adding stability.  I say go for it.

The overall stability will certainly be improved, especially with a heavy camera+lens. However the resistance to vibration will depend on how tight the tolerances are between the column and whatever it is that holds the column in place.

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2014, 08:30:33 AM »
Raising the center column *up* adversely affects stability.  I think that is pretty self-evident.

But what about lowering the center column *down*?  Down as extending below and in-between the legs of the tripod?  Is that equally as unstable as raising it.  Is there any stability concerns with hanging the camera below the lowered center column?

I will often flip the center column when I am taking pictures of low flowers.  Is that a wise thing for me to do?

Wouldn't that lower the center of gravity of the entire apparatus... and much like hanging a sand bag on a hook on the column... it should have the same effect of adding stability.  I say go for it.

The overall stability will certainly be improved, especially with a heavy camera+lens. However the resistance to vibration will depend on how tight the tolerances are between the column and whatever it is that holds the column in place.

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2014, 02:02:36 PM »
While this shot may not look it...it was taken in really strong head wind. My pod was low and the spikes embedded in the bracken. It was stable for a long exposure in the buffeting wind:


Exif says 240 second exposure. It's pin sharp and I'm not sure an IS equipped 16-35 f4 LIS would have gotten the effect I was after ;D

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2014, 08:58:25 PM »
My Gitzo tripod (can't remember the model) has a central column. I rarely use it to extend the height, because, as others have mentioned, stability issues.

However, for macro work, reversing the column and extending the legs out, works a treat. In fact 90% of my macro work is done that way, as I'm usually photographing things low to the ground. My second tripod, when I get around to buying one, will be a more solid unit without the center column, for tele lenses and landscape work.

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 08:46:47 AM »
I like a center column and like having my center column boom out like on my vanguard travel tripod. I've used the boom function a lot.

But my heavier aluminum manfrotto tripod is what I would take to the beach or the studio for extra stability. It has a center column but it reaches neck height without using it and works great.

If your really serious about tripods, then a gitzo with no center column would be a tank for those hurricane winds.

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2014, 08:46:47 AM »

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #37 on: July 03, 2014, 10:58:03 AM »
I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or feedback with this model?
"Sirui R-4203L 3-Section Carbon Fiber Tripod"  From what I've seen, it looks pretty darn good for the price but I'm not familiar with the brand.. at 70" it seems that may be a good height for me, I'm 5'10". 

Anyway, please give me your thoughts or comments.  Thanks!   :D
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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #38 on: July 05, 2014, 06:21:11 PM »
I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or feedback with this model?
"Sirui R-4203L 3-Section Carbon Fiber Tripod"  From what I've seen, it looks pretty darn good for the price but I'm not familiar with the brand.. at 70" it seems that may be a good height for me, I'm 5'10". 

Anyway, please give me your thoughts or comments.  Thanks!   :D

I don't have that tripod but I do have a few Sirui products and find them to be very good. I currently use the P424 Mono pod (similar leg thickness to the 4203 tripod) and  can confirm that Sirui carbon legs are close to Gitzo in performance and I love the Sirui leg locks!
My problem is that I wonder whether you need a monster like the 4203? Yes it is a cracking tripod but what lenses are you going to use it for? If you are looking at a 600 F4 or an 800 F5.6 then the 4203 would make you very happy. However if you are thinking of shorter lenses then have a look at the Sirui R3203. This would be more than enough to do the job with quite large lenses and quite tall enough. I am 5ft 9inches tall and use tripods of 140cm tall quite happily - this one is quoted at 150 cm so it's plenty high enough.
As a footnote I would add that if I hadn't got my Gitzo tripods so cheap the Siruis are what I would have bought.

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #39 on: July 05, 2014, 07:12:26 PM »
I'm wondering if anyone has any experience or feedback with this model?
"Sirui R-4203L 3-Section Carbon Fiber Tripod"  From what I've seen, it looks pretty darn good for the price but I'm not familiar with the brand.. at 70" it seems that may be a good height for me, I'm 5'10". 

Anyway, please give me your thoughts or comments.  Thanks!   :D

There is one user on CR who swears by them.  When getting a tripod, and laying out $600, make sure that you can get parts.  With camera sales tanking, I'd expect that tripod makers are hurting too, and some of them will drop out or get bought up.   

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2014, 07:53:10 PM »
I wonder what is better (or preferred?) centre column yes or no? What is your opinion or experience?

I currently use a tripod with centre column. Advantage is that it is easy for me to adjust height - if needed. Sometimes I use it from a sitposition (walkstool) and pick things up to move to a different location (with different level underground) So very easy (and fast) I can adjust my camera height by adjusting the centre column. It is just one ring to turn instead of 3 (from the legs)
However sometimes I feel that, while centre column is moved up,  the whole thing is less stable. Don't know if it really is or just my feeling.
I am asking because I am looking for a new tripod and wonder if to buy with or without the centre column. I guess I could buy with and remove it or not use it.... :-\

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(and as a side note, don't forget about tricky weird angle macro low ground stuff where you split the tripod legs out almost flat and flip the center column over and extend out sideways)

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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #41 on: July 05, 2014, 07:55:47 PM »
by the time you get the legs finally set perfectly the scene is gone and some slightly undamped whatever is infinitely more damped than a scene totally missed too


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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #42 on: July 05, 2014, 07:58:58 PM »
I'd use a center column for cameras with lenses no longer than 200mm. Anything longer no center column.
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Re: Tripod centre column - yes or no
« Reply #43 on: July 05, 2014, 09:35:22 PM »
by the time you get the legs finally set perfectly the scene is gone and some slightly undamped whatever is infinitely more damped than a scene totally missed too

No center column. Instead of a tripod with a center column get a tripod without one and put a leveling base on it. Then you just get the legs close and use the base to quickly set level. Then if you move a few feet you can adjust level without changing leg extension.

Very fast, very stable.

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Re: Tripod center column - yes or no
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2014, 01:14:32 AM »
Thank you everyone for participating and discuss this subject.
I purchased the Gitzo GT4542LS and RRS BH-55 + B2ASII LR. The Gitzo is without the center columm but can be purchased optional if required.
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Re: Tripod center column - yes or no
« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2014, 01:14:32 AM »