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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2012, 02:31:27 PM »
Yeah, 50 isnt really easy with canon...

the 1.8 feels cheap and has a lack of aperture blades
the 1.4 gets f*ck*d up if it gets pressure on its front when turned fully "in"
the 1.2 is often said to be soft (but its only an issue when u view the full image)

What i really hated at the 1.2 version was the focus shift (focus jumps away when stopping down). I didnt expect that from such an expensive lens...
The 1.4 also has that Problem.
The 1.8 doesnt have it (looks like for me).

I ended up with the 1.4. If you know about the shift u can work around. And leave the sunshade on it and the focus a bit out while in ur bag...


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #90 on: July 03, 2012, 02:31:27 PM »

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #91 on: July 03, 2012, 02:36:49 PM »
Yeah, 50 isnt really easy with canon...

the 1.8 feels cheap and has a lack of aperture blades
the 1.4 gets f*ck*d up if it gets pressure on its front when turned fully "in"
the 1.2 is often said to be soft (but its only an issue when u view the full image)

What i really hated at the 1.2 version was the focus shift (focus jumps away when stopping down). I didnt expect that from such an expensive lens...
The 1.4 also has that Problem.
The 1.8 doesnt have it (looks like for me).

I ended up with the 1.4. If you know about the shift u can work around. And leave the sunshade on it and the focus a bit out while in ur bag...


Or get the shorty fourty

Never experienced the famous 50L shift. Dated Stamped 2010. 8)

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #92 on: July 03, 2012, 02:48:32 PM »
Interesting.... Try focus on something 0.5m away. Set to mf. Make picture on 1.2/1.4 and so on. I cant believe :)


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #93 on: July 03, 2012, 03:05:06 PM »
I just have a Canon 50mm 1.8 II which is very good and has helped capture some of my favorite photos, I am thinking about selling it and getting a Sigma 50mm 1.4 EX DG HSM because I would like to be able to stop down my lens, stopping down on the Canon just makes the bokeh look terrible, the Sigma has 9 rounded blades vs 5 non rounded, it also has an aspherical element, something that the Canon 1.4 does not have. 
Here are some shots that it took on either my T1i or my old XSI with the Canon 50mm 1.8 II.






























The last photo shows the CA that sometime happens with the 1.8 and shows how you can't shoot at anything other then 1.8 if there is anything out of focus in the background.
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #94 on: July 03, 2012, 03:29:39 PM »
Interesting.... Try focus on something 0.5m away. Set to mf. Make picture on 1.2/1.4 and so on. I cant believe :)

Believe. 8)

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #95 on: July 03, 2012, 04:26:57 PM »
@lex. Through the cracks is an awsome shot! I thought that was impossible without some serious time in photoshop. I have the Canon 1.4 myself, and I just got it back from the shop today, and I am posting a shot I took earlier today with it. I love it, but I would buy a 1.2 if I could afford. (shot with a 5D II, @ auto iso, and F2.0

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Very nice striking portrait.  Looks Hemingwayesque.

Thank you:)

how did you do the through the cracks shot? is it possible to get the sharp image in the water with the superthin dof of the 1.2????

Um yeah, don't set the aperture to 1.2.

Um no, it was definitely at 1.2 (I leave this lens there most of the time).  The exif is: ISO 50, f1.2, 1/800.  I just used careful focus on the reflection in the water which was very still at the time, in fact the first time I did it on accident, then realized what a genius idea it was;)  Here is a version taken just after with focus on the rocks (still at 1.2).


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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2012, 05:21:05 PM »
Good god nobody said it WASN'T at 1.2.  The poster expressed concerns about thin DOF and so the easiest and most obvious answer is stop it down, if that is a problem in a particular shot.  For you to nail that shot that you did requires a great amount of skill.

By the way that is some great work on your website, I really like the HDR work.
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #96 on: July 03, 2012, 05:21:05 PM »

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #97 on: July 03, 2012, 05:26:50 PM »
Good god nobody said it WASN'T at 1.2.  The poster expressed concerns about thin DOF and so the easiest and most obvious answer is stop it down, if that is a problem in a particular shot.  For you to nail that shot that you did requires a great amount of skill.

By the way that is some great work on your website, I really like the HDR work.

Fair enough, but if you read what he wrote and what you wrote again you will see where the confusion came from.  He was asking if it was possible to take the shot at f1.2 and you answered, ya stop it down.  I see the joke you were making but the context was a bit off, as it is most definitely possible.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #98 on: July 03, 2012, 05:29:41 PM »
Good god nobody said it WASN'T at 1.2.  The poster expressed concerns about thin DOF and so the easiest and most obvious answer is stop it down, if that is a problem in a particular shot.  For you to nail that shot that you did requires a great amount of skill.

By the way that is some great work on your website, I really like the HDR work.

Fair enough, but if you read what he wrote and what you wrote again you will see where the confusion came from.  He was asking if it was possible to take the shot at f1.2 and you answered, ya stop it down.  I see the joke you were making but the context was a bit off, as it is most definitely possible.

You're right, I didn't read the whole thing and I see the confusion now.  My apologies. 
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #99 on: July 04, 2012, 01:53:08 AM »


Believe. 8)

But this is at 1.2 isnt it? It can be good there but when stopping down the focus moves. (you can see this in the photozone tests where he focusses on the milimeter-chart and stops down. Focus moves away and at some point its even possible that the point that was sharp at wide open isnt in the DOF when stopped down)

And thats i guess why so many 1.4 (and even 1.2) canons are a bit "soft" (not 100% in focus) at 1.4. Cause they have to make a compromise for focus accuracy stopped down and wiede open. If wide open hits it 100% even in close distance, stopping down will go bad.

I once made the mistake of making a microadjust for near conditions on my 1.4 canon wide open and then taking (important) Pictures of people 2m away stopped down to f4... Focus started most times somewhere a little bit behind the ears...

I sold that microadjustment camera cause it makes me crazy trying to get the perfect result and there are so many things to keep in mind for not making it perfectly wrong :)

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #100 on: July 04, 2012, 04:11:15 AM »
Good god nobody said it WASN'T at 1.2.  The poster expressed concerns about thin DOF and so the easiest and most obvious answer is stop it down, if that is a problem in a particular shot.  For you to nail that shot that you did requires a great amount of skill.

By the way that is some great work on your website, I really like the HDR work.

Fair enough, but if you read what he wrote and what you wrote again you will see where the confusion came from.  He was asking if it was possible to take the shot at f1.2 and you answered, ya stop it down.  I see the joke you were making but the context was a bit off, as it is most definitely possible.

@lex. Thanks for letting me know. I will borrow the 1.2 lens again, and try to duplicate your shot (not to steal it, but rather to learn). Your pictures are inspirational:)
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #101 on: July 04, 2012, 05:43:00 AM »
I have a "Soligor" 500 f 8 mirror and a "Cambron" 500 f8 (non-mirror) - both are t mount, one has a thin T to pentax M42 adapter (which goes into a  M42 to canon ef with af beep when in focus circuit) while the other has a thicker T to canon EF which is much stronger for the 500mm lens's weight (but I can switch them. One thing about pentax mount  and t mount lenses - certain sizes like 40 f 6.3, 500 f 8, etc. had ONE manufacturer that would change the silkscreened bands with the numbers - depth of field and distance, and the name ring in the front - by the vendor (Vivitar, Soligor, Cambron, Spiratone, Kenko, etc; 20,to 30 different names but only 1 manufacturer (like tamron, Tokina, Olympus, Cosina, Kiron, Ozone Optical, Komine, Makinon, Asanuma, Bauer, Perkin Elmer, Chinon, Hoya, Polar and more so the name isn't important - the bigger manufacturers like Nikon, Canon, Asahi (Pentax) Mamiya, Tomioka (Yashica), Minolta etc. had their own factories), the mirrors pretty much the same but some of the main camera makers did not do mirrors - they bought someone else's too. Not sure if Nikon ever made a mirror or it was outside manufacturer but likely - they were not as big as canon (only Mamiya was as big because they made every type of camera: from press graphic, through 8 x 10, 4 x 5, 6 x 7, 6 x 45, 35mm, 16mm, 8mm - everything buy 126) - Nikon probably didn't have the bucks to make mirror lenses

One difference is a mirror has a fixed aperture - F 8 while the long lens is F - to F 22 so you can ne a bit creative and in very good light go for more depth of field (note that when you add a "tele-extender to go 2 x 500 or 3 x 500 it also muktiplies the f stop by the same factor, stealing your light), another is that the generic lenses are mostly pre-sets - you set the apertur eyou want and focus wide open then turning the aperture ring to the desired aperture (it locks you out of smaller apertures)

any long lens like this should be on a tripod but the mirror is so much smaller and lighter you can use it hand held (I recommend you find a tree or something to lean against to help steady your  arms). I've gotten great images out of both (one trick is with the pentax adapter I can add a 2x or 3x adapter for much more reach) - I;m a reach fanatic because you are out of range of the target - can take real candids

Nowadays you can get this range with the smaller semi-slr "superzooms" - up to 36 x zoom usually gets you at least 500mm equivalent, likely with similar sharpness on a digital camera (the Canon Sx 40 HS with 35x zoom gets 24 - 840 equivalent with Image Stabilization (dp review claims 4.5 fstops) and 12 MP,l has a digic 5 and HS noise reduction, (the lens is 150.5mm real longest so its very compact), good aperture range (f 2.7 to f 8 at wide angle, F 5.8 to F 8 at the 840mm equiv max ---- probably a better alternative for the casual shooter

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2012, 06:48:14 AM »
"Through the cracks"...very nice and great composition. The depth of field is greater in the first shot since it is focused on a point farther away (the trees reflected in the water) than in the second shot (the stones and water surface).
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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #102 on: July 04, 2012, 06:48:14 AM »

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #103 on: July 04, 2012, 01:46:52 PM »
"Through the cracks"...very nice and great composition. The depth of field is greater in the first shot since it is focused on a point farther away (the trees reflected in the water) than in the second shot (the stones and water surface).

Thanks, I was actually only showing the second picture, with the focus on the rock instead of the tree reflection for illustrative purposes.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2012, 02:27:43 PM »


Believe. 8)

But this is at 1.2 isnt it? It can be good there but when stopping down the focus moves. (you can see this in the photozone tests where he focusses on the milimeter-chart and stops down. Focus moves away and at some point its even possible that the point that was sharp at wide open isnt in the DOF when stopped down)

And thats i guess why so many 1.4 (and even 1.2) canons are a bit "soft" (not 100% in focus) at 1.4. Cause they have to make a compromise for focus accuracy stopped down and wiede open. If wide open hits it 100% even in close distance, stopping down will go bad.

I once made the mistake of making a microadjust for near conditions on my 1.4 canon wide open and then taking (important) Pictures of people 2m away stopped down to f4... Focus started most times somewhere a little bit behind the ears...

I sold that microadjustment camera cause it makes me crazy trying to get the perfect result and there are so many things to keep in mind for not making it perfectly wrong :)

Actually F/1.6 and Nope, Still haven't seen the shift and i've used lots of 50mm's.

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Re: Battle of the 50mm's - 1.8, 1.4 and 1.2L
« Reply #104 on: July 04, 2012, 02:27:43 PM »