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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 09:53:22 AM »

My guess based on the current 6D is that after the 5D IV gets introduced, the 5D III goes away for a few months or a year, and then much of the base camera of the 5D III gets re-introduced as the 6D II.

So the build may go to a plastic body, it might get wifi and gps, they may adjust control layout a bit, they may put a DIGIC 6 in there instead of a 5+, etc. but they can recoup even more R&D cost by repackaging all existing technologies for a new market.

Being the low end of the Canon FF line I don't see that the 6D couldn't benefit from trickle down technologies - I don't think it needs to be a new camera line with new features for a distinct market. It's not cost efficient for Canon to do so.




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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 09:53:22 AM »

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 02:42:12 PM »
My guess based on the current 6D is that after the 5D IV gets introduced, the 5D III goes away for a few months or a year, and then much of the base camera of the 5D III gets re-introduced as the 6D II.

I very much doubt this because there is an *absolute* "good enough" to shoot most scenes. The current 6d already does ok for a lot of them, but there's still a lot of incentive to upgrade to the "real deal" 5d3. If the 5d3 is the baseline, Canon would pull a rabbit out of the hat to make 6d2(=5d3)->5d4 as attractive.

Much more likely they cripple the 6d2 where it hurts like they removed spot af from 7d->70d (even though it's the same af array), they're rather good at that :-p

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 03:23:17 PM »
All the talk is of the impending 7D MKII and whether the 5D MKIII will be upgraded if the 7D MKII has new sensor tech.

Well here is my wish list for the 6D MKII its not long:-

Same ground glass set-up as 5D MKIII - the removable one now gets dirt behind it

Joystick like the 7D / 5D MKIII etc. - the joypad is slower to use

19 cross point AF points - useful for flying birds, cars, planes etc.

Tilting LCD screen - Like the type Olympus use which is great for high or low shots

I think the best you can expect is for it to follow the ergonomics and frame of the 70D/80D.

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2014, 03:53:12 PM »
I very much doubt this because there is an *absolute* "good enough" to shoot most scenes. The current 6d already does ok for a lot of them, but there's still a lot of incentive to upgrade to the "real deal" 5d3. If the 5d3 is the baseline, Canon would pull a rabbit out of the hat to make 6d2(=5d3)->5d4 as attractive.

Sure, the 5D Mark III has better autofocus in most circumstances, higher resolution, and faster max FPS.  On the other hand, you could also say that there's a lot of incentive to upgrade from the 5D Mark III to the "real deal" 6D.  It has lower and more consistent dark noise levels (which means you can brighten it by more stops before it becomes unusable), better ultra-low-light focusing (at least with the center point), GPS, Wi-Fi....

Either one is an upgrade, depending on your needs.  Canon would do well to ensure that the hypothetical 5D Mark IV is in every way more capable than the hypothetical 6D Mark II, not just better at some things.

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 01:37:09 AM »
after selling all my D810 D800E stuff,I was about to buy a Sony A99v or another 6D, but decided to wait a few more weeks.

Why would you sell your Nikon D810 and D800E and keep the 6D?

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 07:21:35 AM »
Another factor maybe what Nikon does with the rumoured D750, its seemingly likely now that will have the same AF as the D810 which means a full spread of AF points. If that camera is also D810 sized it maybe less of an issue but rumours thus far point to it being smaller.

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 09:28:36 AM »
I very much doubt this because there is an *absolute* "good enough" to shoot most scenes. The current 6d already does ok for a lot of them, but there's still a lot of incentive to upgrade to the "real deal" 5d3. If the 5d3 is the baseline, Canon would pull a rabbit out of the hat to make 6d2(=5d3)->5d4 as attractive.

Sure, the 5D Mark III has better autofocus in most circumstances, higher resolution, and faster max FPS.  On the other hand, you could also say that there's a lot of incentive to upgrade from the 5D Mark III to the "real deal" 6D.  It has lower and more consistent dark noise levels (which means you can brighten it by more stops before it becomes unusable), better ultra-low-light focusing (at least with the center point), GPS, Wi-Fi....

Either one is an upgrade, depending on your needs.  Canon would do well to ensure that the hypothetical 5D Mark IV is in every way more capable than the hypothetical 6D Mark II, not just better at some things.

And you can change focus screens on a 6D, which is a very important feature for professionals - they purposely gimped the 5D3 to prevent this, to make 1DX look more attractive.  Whichever has interchangeable focus screens (6D2 or 5D4) is where my money goes next as I can't justify two 1DXs (I like to have matching bodies).

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 09:28:36 AM »

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 10:00:58 AM »
Agree that we likely won't see a Mark II for quite some time.

Buuut while we're dreaming :)

• Dual pixel AF
• 19 point all cross type AF
• Articulating touch screen LCD
• 1080p at 60fps
• Native ISO 100-51,200, boost 50-204,800
• No low-pass filter

Given the >1 year ETA of a Mark II, I think these specs are semi realistic. What do you think?
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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 11:33:39 AM »
Agree that we likely won't see a Mark II for quite some time.

Buuut while we're dreaming :)

• Dual pixel AF
• 19 point all cross type AF
• Articulating touch screen LCD
• 1080p at 60fps
• Native ISO 100-51,200, boost 50-204,800
• No low-pass filter

Given the >1 year ETA of a Mark II, I think these specs are semi realistic. What do you think?


I sadly doubt that many AF points. It'll probably the same amount, just all cross-type. But 19 would def be welcomed. It SHOULD be as good as the 70D, but currently even the t5i has more cross-type AF points. I'd prefer no articulating touch screen. The rest would be sweet!

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 01:13:37 PM »
I'm shooting with 6D now, and I'm very happy with it. Only thing I'd like to change to mk2, is focus points. More focus points would be very welcome with more spread, and please make all of them cross-type. Center focus point on 6D is great now, others work well in good light, in dim light not so well..
I don't need/care about fps, focus screens or wi-fi.
Double SD slot would be nice though...
Iso levels are very good now, but of course it can be still improved :)

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 02:08:02 PM »
It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers. The joystick is truly my only real complaint.
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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2014, 02:29:49 PM »
It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2014, 02:35:20 PM »
It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.

+1   Coming from 450D, ergonomics in 6D are also very great for my hands. Multicontroller is easy and fast to use. Haven't use joystick though...

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2014, 02:35:20 PM »

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2014, 03:32:27 PM »
4K or 4 fail  ;D

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Re: 6D MKII
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2014, 12:17:39 AM »
It would be a much more attractive option if it had the joystick for focus point selection. I honestly like a lot of what the current 6D offers.

Personally, I'd say a joystick for 11 af points (10 non-crosspoint, one only crosspoint at f4+) is overkill - these few points are selected quickly with the multicontroller. Coming from the 60d, I feel very at home with the right-hand only layout of the 6d.


If you’re coming from a camera that has never had the joystick I could see the comfort in not having one. But for shooting canons for years that all had joysticks it’s extremely frustrating at times.
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« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2014, 12:17:39 AM »