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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2016, 02:50:38 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2016, 02:58:09 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2016, 03:10:43 PM »
It's baptism will be the Reno Air Races from the pylons.  500 mph within 50 feet.  That should test the focusing system.

Wow! I'd sure love to be you! They let you on the pylons? I know you must be an official photographer for the event, but can't even imagine the adrenaline and excitement that must bring. Dangerous too!

There were some races down here in Las Vegas (I live in Mesquite) a few months back. Would have loved a ticket. I think Red Bull was a big sponsor.

Good luck to you and can't wait to see the photos. :)

Pylons are crazy.  Panning 500 mph aircraft is a bit of a challenge.  This was shot with my 5DS.  LOL
The air molecules have motion blur.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2016, 03:13:20 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.

Maybe it sets up the same as a 5D Mark III for fast action, but yeah... 1/100 is way too slow. I'd have even gone faster than 1/200. That might have stopped the spoke blur though.

This is helpful:
http://www.focrates.com/articles/configuring_your_5d_mark_3_af_for_fast_action/configuring_your_5d_mark_3_af_for_fast_action.html
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2016, 03:18:23 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.

The accurate focus is different than than the motion blur, otherwise nobody would do panning shots. I wanted to check especially such low speed shots, it's not by mistake.

Anyway, I'm not trying to spoil anyone happiness, it's a great camera :)

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2016, 03:20:09 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.

I expect my 5D IV will be just as good if not better than my 5DS for this type of work.  I shot a motorcycle event last Saturday with the 5DS.(I sold my Mark III)  1/160th at f4. 
Many things come into play in these shoots, but the cameras are capable.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2016, 03:57:29 PM »
Crazy pan you got there!

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2016, 04:17:56 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.

The accurate focus is different than than the motion blur, otherwise nobody would do panning shots. I wanted to check especially such low speed shots, it's not by mistake.

Anyway, I'm not trying to spoil anyone happiness, it's a great camera :)

My point was if you don't pan correctly you can't tell the difference between missed focus and motion blur, you didn't pan correctly because the 1/100 shot has motion blur. Ergo you can't tell if the camera missed focus and have motion blur or if you just have motion blur.

Some people can pan way slower than 1/100 sec, me included, but it looks like on that shot you didn't so you can't draw AF conclusions, good or bad, from that single image, and that is what you were doing
Too often we lose sight of the fact that photography is about capturing light, if we have the ability to take control of that light then we grow exponentially as photographers. More often than not the image is not about lens speed, sensor size, DR, MP's or AF, it is about the light.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2016, 05:53:41 PM »
Just returned from Canon 5D4 test motorcycle event.
The new camera feels great, but some of the servo shots were not so great with focus accuracy. For example first shot below was part of 4 shot burst, where first 2 were not OK. Low speed with 24-70 2.8, JPEG:

http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_1.jpg
http://www.nonchoiliev.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/5D4_2.jpg

And you would attribute that to focus failure rather than subject motion because?

You do realize the 'sharp' image is 1/200 sec and the focus 'failure' is a moving motorcycle at 1/100.

The accurate focus is different than than the motion blur, otherwise nobody would do panning shots. I wanted to check especially such low speed shots, it's not by mistake.

Anyway, I'm not trying to spoil anyone happiness, it's a great camera :)

My point was if you don't pan correctly you can't tell the difference between missed focus and motion blur, you didn't pan correctly because the 1/100 shot has motion blur. Ergo you can't tell if the camera missed focus and have motion blur or if you just have motion blur.

Some people can pan way slower than 1/100 sec, me included, but it looks like on that shot you didn't so you can't draw AF conclusions, good or bad, from that single image, and that is what you were doing

Another thing encountered is when the subject is not perpendicular to the pan, but approaching or going away.  The center of the frame follows one point but the left and right side of the subject are moving at different speeds and it changes perspective angles  It's a radius from the film plain that constantly is changing during the pan.  The closer, the more it is noticed.  Focal length and distance are another factor.
 
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2016, 06:50:37 PM »
weather has been s**te here since the camera arrived, so here's something I found indoors


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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2016, 11:31:01 PM »
By the time the battery charged, it was dark outside.
So, it's the bookcase for the first test shot.
ISO 12800 1/30th f5.6 70-200L(V1) at 75mm  handheld
This is the original JPG straight from the camera without any processing.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #41 on: September 14, 2016, 12:27:37 AM »
Looks good/impressive to me.  Guess we need a comparison shot.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #42 on: September 14, 2016, 12:59:49 AM »
Looks good/impressive to me.  Guess we need a comparison shot.

Jack

The thing that impressed me the most was the lack of red bleeding and noise.  Black lettering in the reds are insanely good.  This is a big improvement.  Even the resolution at 12800 is beyond my expectations.  Handheld at that.  Edges are really well defined at this ISO.  With the 5D III, ISO 8000 was the death throws. 
Night photography is going to be much more fun.
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #43 on: September 14, 2016, 01:25:11 AM »
My very first pic, shot RAW+JPEG, this is the jpeg SOOC (save resize in paint). ISO12800.

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2016, 02:11:30 PM »
iso 12800 sooc mmmm....... I am likin those. Looking like c1/DxO will process RAWs rather well!

Really looking forward to your thoughts on the fps when your between the pylons though Keith

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Re: Anything shot with a 5D4
« Reply #44 on: September 14, 2016, 02:11:30 PM »