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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2017, 05:15:57 PM »
The factory seems to be not far off of Fukushima. Hope that doesn't mean anything  :D

The related interview article mentioned that the 2011 event caused some roof segments to collapse and some equipment were damaged. The repairs (and hardening things to better withstand future quakes) took a few months.

I assume when he mentioned fukushima he means the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster which is classified as a Level 7 event of the International Nuclear Event Scale (highest/worst level possible on the scale).

At this point this is an ongoing event where ground water mixing with the highly radioactive water inside the Three wracked reactors/buildings.

In another word, he is probably hoping that our highly prized L lens won't glow in the dark or set off radiation detector  at the TSA checking point  :P

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2017, 05:15:57 PM »

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2017, 05:32:25 PM »
I hope they have an upcoming generation of craftsmen(craftpersons?) who can accumulate that experience. I read an article a while back about how Patek Phillippe couldn't hire young people to learn watchmaking because it takes 30 years of apprentice work to get good enough to be a master and that was too long of a haul for modern attention spans.

I found two ideas were dominant: the skill of the workers, and an increasing automation.
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Canon is at pains to point out that machines like this can only be created as a result of the Master Craftsmen's decades of experience.

It would seem that Canon goes out of the way to honour these masters, but is working hard at eventually automating everything.    I'm guessing by the time all there current Meisters retire, they will have found a way to automate even that.

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2017, 05:47:08 PM »
Waaaaiiiit... the 16-35 takes 24 hours to make and costs $2000. If production cost is $1500 and if materials are a third of the cost, that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery.  suddenly that lens looks dirt cheap.

It might take 24 hours to make the 16-35, but it doesn't mean they produce just one per day. Each machine in the production line produces parts continuously. So it takes one lens 24 hours to proceed from the beginning of the line to the end, but at the same time there are many other lenses produced.
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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2017, 10:33:23 PM »
It would seem that Canon goes out of the way to honour these masters, but is working hard at eventually automating everything.    I'm guessing by the time all there current Meisters retire, they will have found a way to automate even that.
Unfortunately the logical extension of that path is total automation of the existing process with no changes or improvement.

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2017, 10:43:25 PM »
It is quite exciting to hear about Canon's automation. For those who are interested here is a video on the making of a Canon 500mm f/4 L Lens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovxtgj4SsiI obviously this does not show everything involved but a high level demo.

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2017, 11:32:36 PM »

I assume when he mentioned fukushima he means the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster which is classified as a Level 7 event of the International Nuclear Event Scale (highest/worst level possible on the scale).

At this point this is an ongoing event where ground water mixing with the highly radioactive water inside the Three wracked reactors/buildings.

In another word, he is probably hoping that our highly prized L lens won't glow in the dark or set off radiation detector  at the TSA checking point  :P

the earthquake that caused everything caused alot of damage to canon facilities.

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 06:49:52 AM »
Waaaaiiiit... the 16-35 takes 24 hours to make and costs $2000. If production cost is $1500 and if materials are a third of the cost, that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery.  suddenly that lens looks dirt cheap.

It might take 24 hours to make the 16-35, but it doesn't mean they produce just one per day. Each machine in the production line produces parts continuously. So it takes one lens 24 hours to proceed from the beginning of the line to the end, but at the same time there are many other lenses produced.

Lol! Of course they're making more than one lens at a time!  I made zero reference to that.  I was referring to the lens as a unit, not the factory.   ::)
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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2017, 06:49:52 AM »

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2017, 12:19:31 PM »
Waaaaiiiit... the 16-35 takes 24 hours to make and costs $2000. If production cost is $1500 and if materials are a third of the cost, that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery.  suddenly that lens looks dirt cheap.

It might take 24 hours to make the 16-35, but it doesn't mean they produce just one per day. Each machine in the production line produces parts continuously. So it takes one lens 24 hours to proceed from the beginning of the line to the end, but at the same time there are many other lenses produced.

Lol! Of course they're making more than one lens at a time!  I made zero reference to that.  I was referring to the lens as a unit, not the factory.   ::)

There was a hidden reference - "that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery". Because hour rate per unit on a production line producing many units at the same time makes no sense. So I thought you got it wrong :).
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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2017, 05:55:50 PM »
Waaaaiiiit... the 16-35 takes 24 hours to make and costs $2000. If production cost is $1500 and if materials are a third of the cost, that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery.  suddenly that lens looks dirt cheap.

It might take 24 hours to make the 16-35, but it doesn't mean they produce just one per day. Each machine in the production line produces parts continuously. So it takes one lens 24 hours to proceed from the beginning of the line to the end, but at the same time there are many other lenses produced.

Lol! Of course they're making more than one lens at a time!  I made zero reference to that.  I was referring to the lens as a unit, not the factory.   ::)

There was a hidden reference - "that leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery". Because hour rate per unit on a production line producing many units at the same time makes no sense. So I thought you got it wrong :).

Yeeeaaa... that wasn't very clear.  That leaves $42/hr for the workers and machinery for that lens.  it wouldn't make sense to analyze the whole plant that way.  But it really does give a monetary value of sorts on the individual product as a unit.  Not in the sense that this is what it costs, but in the sense that If they're not making one, they're making another.   Thus they will assumably be expecting a similar $/hr/unit on whatever other lenses they make on the same line.  It means they're charging the client $42/hr on there product, irregardless of their end revenu or how many units they produce.

I really shouldn't be on line when I'm tired... i'm no good at communicating even when I'm awake....

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Re: DPReview Tours Canon's Utsunomiya Factory, Where the L is Made
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2017, 05:55:50 PM »