October 17, 2017, 09:17:13 AM

Author Topic: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor  (Read 31694 times)

BillB

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #195 on: August 05, 2017, 10:28:37 AM »
I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

The analogy for the 6D → 6DII sensor is the 5DII → 5DIII upgrade.  The sensor was basically the same ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it), pretty much everything else got a major performance bump.

I'm not so sure everything got an upgrade though; it really looks like all that's improved is the af (both stills and video) , screen and fps. The sensor has a small resolution bump, but otherwise is the same tech, and the video quality has been downgraded from the looks.

I was under the impression the 5d2 to 5d3 added quite a bit more, dual cards, better video, headphone jack etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

My opinion at this stage is that the 6d 2 is an improvement overall, but for the cost, it really fell short of the potential camera it really could have been.

Sensor is not "otherwise the same tech". Dual pixel, phase detect AF in Liveview  and touchscreen focussing are major changes in technology, at least in my opinion. 

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #195 on: August 05, 2017, 10:28:37 AM »

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #196 on: August 05, 2017, 07:41:17 PM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

You can keep rubbin' that lamp but you may not get that wish granted. LOL

As Canon-free as I'd like means I've reduced my inventory of that brand down to some basics.
If the 6d2 would have had a decent sensor I may have added it when the price came down but I don't want more bandy cameras.

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #197 on: August 05, 2017, 07:49:32 PM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion :)

That's right. :)  I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #198 on: August 05, 2017, 08:01:44 PM »
I - for one - got swept up in the measurements and "numbers"... I'll admit it  :-[

I don't usually like this guys videos, but have a look for a refreshing alternative to the doom & gloom over the 6D2's base ISO DR. Also... enjoy some awesome voiceovers too  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Po4Ct8B2Oo

Haha, I saw that too. Is it just me or is "The Fro" coming across sensible more and more these days. He's come a long way from his early videos. I'm starting to enjoy his work. Plus he actually knows how to take a photo.

Hah! Yes I watched this too. The Fro is sounding pretty sensible and being a sane voice in this fairly ridiculous round of 6DII sensor bashing.

Constructive criticism is important, but persistent cycles of compulsive negativity are rarely good for the soul.

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BillB

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #199 on: August 05, 2017, 10:23:34 PM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion :)

That's right. :)  I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

Out of curiosity, Aglet could you clarify what you meant by "as Canon-free as I'd like"?

Isaacheus

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #200 on: August 06, 2017, 04:55:24 AM »
I have a clear analogy of the situation with the sensor 6d mark 2:
If the 5d4 sensor is the original Canon sensor of the last generation, then the sensor 6d mark 2 is like a "Chinese fake", as Canon claims to use the most advanced sensor available. Regardless of how much it is worse than the original, or how much it justifies its price, or how many people will buy a camera with such a sensor, it remains a "fake".
And on any serious trading platform sellers of fakes will be banned for the sale of fakes.
If someone wants to sell sensors of the previous generation, then do not talk about the last generation, and do not deceive customers.

The analogy for the 6D → 6DII sensor is the 5DII → 5DIII upgrade.  The sensor was basically the same ('if it ain't broke, don't fix it), pretty much everything else got a major performance bump.

I'm not so sure everything got an upgrade though; it really looks like all that's improved is the af (both stills and video) , screen and fps. The sensor has a small resolution bump, but otherwise is the same tech, and the video quality has been downgraded from the looks.

I was under the impression the 5d2 to 5d3 added quite a bit more, dual cards, better video, headphone jack etc. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

My opinion at this stage is that the 6d 2 is an improvement overall, but for the cost, it really fell short of the potential camera it really could have been.

Sensor is not "otherwise the same tech". Dual pixel, phase detect AF in Liveview  and touchscreen focussing are major changes in technology, at least in my opinion.

Ah yes, you're quite correct, and those additions are really good (I mean, imagine the outrage if it didn't even get dual pixel...). I had meant the same tech as the original in the iq sense of the sensor, where the other three feel more in the af side of things. The dual raw pixel that the 5dmk4 has may have been interesting to help with the highlights (from rumors I've heard at least) but I can't see any mention of it being included in the 6dmk2

I have seen some initial reviews showing the resolution bump can be fairly noticeable from the 6d, which is great. Unfortunately, as I was hoping for a lighter ff landscape camera with a tilt screen, the lack of dr improvement is a real bummer to me.

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #201 on: August 09, 2017, 06:33:30 PM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion :)

That's right. :)  I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

Who, exactly, has expressed the opinion that people shouldn't choose whatever camera system they prefer?

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #201 on: August 09, 2017, 06:33:30 PM »

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #202 on: August 10, 2017, 05:13:14 AM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion :)

That's right. :)  I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

Who, exactly, has expressed the opinion that people shouldn't choose whatever camera system they prefer?

According to Aglet, people should choose camera HE heavily prefers in a single metric performance :D
6D | Zeiss 21/2.8 ZE | 24-70/2.8L II | 35/1.4L | 50/1.2L | Zeiss 50/2 ZE Makro | Zeiss 85/1.4 ZE | 70-200/2.8L II

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #203 on: August 10, 2017, 01:28:10 PM »
Sold another high end EF-S lens last nite.  Only a little more to go to be as Canon-free as I'd like. :)

I was just wondering.......

When you're totally Canon-free does that mean CR will become Aglet-free ?  ;)

Never. Remember, he has to continually persuade every Canon heathen to convert to the only righeous way of supreme DReligion :)

That's right. :)  I'm here as the voice of pro-choice.

Who, exactly, has expressed the opinion that people shouldn't choose whatever camera system they prefer?

According to Aglet, people should choose camera HE heavily prefers in a single metric performance :D

It's funny; this whole holy war of camera brands seems to only exist online.  I have friends who shoot Nikon and Sony (as well as Canon), and the only thing we talk about (well, photography-related) is either technique or results.  No one cares what the others shoot, except for specific tips or borrowing gear.  No one whines about DR, or AF, or 4k, or card slots.  At all.  No one brags about them, either.  It's only a thing here.

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Re: PetaPixel poops on the 6D2 sensor
« Reply #203 on: August 10, 2017, 01:28:10 PM »