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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 04:54:55 PM »
While I'd like to see Canon address the pothole at 50mm I just can't see them bringing out anything that would tempt me to sell my Tamron 45, particularly as its AF got even better with a 5D4 behind it.

If they do the suggested f1.4 IS USM it's likely to be well out of my price range, though no doubt excellent in all respects. Conversely if they bring out something cheaper then some nice-to-haves will presumably have to be sacrificed, like IS or weather sealing. If they'd delivered ahsanford's mythical lens at the right time I'd probably have gone for it, but they've missed the boat as far as I'm concerned.

I'm glad to hear that you are satisfied with your Tamron 45 f1.8. I really did like the pictures I got from my copy, but had consistent back focus issues when using the off center focusing points, while it worked fine with the center point. This was with my 1DXII. I gave it up in favor of the 50L.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 04:54:55 PM »

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 04:55:12 PM »
It could be a 50mm f/1.0 Mk II.... :)

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2017, 05:40:37 PM »
Give us 55 or 58 mm. You will get more potential upgraders.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2017, 05:46:36 PM »
Give us 55 or 58 mm. You will get more potential upgraders.

Why?  I'd like to hear your reasoning.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2017, 05:56:03 PM »
I'm glad to hear that you are satisfied with your Tamron 45 f1.8. I really did like the pictures I got from my copy, but had consistent back focus issues when using the off center focusing points, while it worked fine with the center point. This was with my 1DXII. I gave it up in favor of the 50L.

Yep copy variation in the AF dept can still be an issue with that lens; I remember Dustin Abbott had to return/fix his first personal copy. But when you get a good one they seem to stay good across multiple bodies; mine is fine on 5D2, 5D3 and 5D4 - giving truly Canon lens AF consistency/accuracy on my 5D4, whereas I've heard quite a few tales of Sigma 50 copies being great on one body and terrible on another.
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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2017, 05:59:11 PM »
The "We’re told one of the lenses is an EF 50mm f/1.4 IS USM" (plus the thread title) implies it is an L lens, then?  That would imply it's not the compact little non-L wonder I'm looking for. 

Pity.  There's a near zero chance I'd buy a pickle jar Art/Otus-killer, which one would presume is coming if Canon offers a 50 f/1.4L IS.

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I can appreciate your position on size, but this is generally a tradeoff with optical performance and aperture (& price). I own the EF 50mm f/1.4 and it is downright soft outside the very centre wide open, better at f/2 and very good at f/2.8 (comparable to the 24-70 f/2.8 L II). I would not be interested in upgrading to a new 50mm f/1.4 lens that simply updated the bodywork and AF motor -I want better optical performance too. Personally, I would be happy with paying Sigma Art money for a Canon 50mm f/2 that was tack sharp wide open, but this isn't going to happen now that they've updated the old 'plastic fantastic' to STM (it would look 'faster and better' than the more expensive lens!).

If they were going to produce the lens that you wanted, I think that it would have come out soon after the 35mm f/2 IS USM and 24/28mm f/2.8 IS USM series were released. The best that we can hope for now is that this is the last lens in the series that produced the 35mm f/1.4L USM II and 85mm f/1.4 IS USM lenses.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 06:05:03 PM »
I don't care any more.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2017, 06:05:03 PM »

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2017, 06:35:07 PM »
"To be perfectly honest, we don’t like reporting about 50mm lenses, as we’ve been burned a few hundred times in the past."

CR Guy is a hero, IMHO, but 50 prime rumors are like Lucy pulling out the football from Charlie Brown with him.  It's his kryptonite.

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P.S.  Reminds me of an oldie-but-a-goodie below.

Haha! The new 50 follows the 24-70 II and 100-400 II in the number of head bangs on the desk.

Lol, I'll be so bold as to throw the 35 L II in that mix. Think I waited like ten years with spread out rumors. Was worth the wait though :P
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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2017, 07:04:38 PM »
If they were going to produce the lens that you wanted, I think that it would have come out soon after the 35mm f/2 IS USM and 24/28mm f/2.8 IS USM series were released.

The 24/28/35 refresh was actually to retire three very old lenses that pre-dated the non-L USM primes entirely, I believe.  See chart, it's bit dated but you get the idea.

So those three got their own refresh wave while the 20 2.8 / 28 1.8 / 50 1.4 / 85 1.8 / 100 2 USM primes are still plugging away.  What's infuriating about those 5 lenses is that the 50 appears to be the only one that was saddled with Micro USM and that horrible length-changing (externally focusing / telescoping nonsense) sort of design.  If only the EF 50 f/1.4 USM was like all the others on that list -- especially the 85 f/1.8 -- I'd probably be happy with it as my small 50 prime.

I personally see a non-L USM prime update happening, possibly downgraded to Nano USM instead of ring USM in light of the underwhelming response to the 24/28/35 IS lenses (which are loved but were overpriced out of the gate). 

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2017, 07:07:11 PM »
Whatever it will be, it will increase in size, because it will be a 'true' internal focusing lens (besides the IS).

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2017, 07:17:22 PM »
Whatever it will be, it will increase in size, because it will be a 'true' internal focusing lens (besides the IS).

Yep, hence my heavily overused graphic (a doctored 35 f/2 IS, btw).  The 24/28/35 IS refresh lenses also went to internal focusing, and I've yet to hear anyone complain about their size.  I'll gladly take a small bump in size to kill off the dreaded 'protruding inner barrel got bumped' AF motor damage problem.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2017, 07:39:33 PM »
A big question I have is, what's Canon's strategy regarding 50 1.2 and 85 1.2? Will Canon just quietly stop development of 1.2 versions?

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2017, 07:49:11 PM »
I love my 50mm f/1.2.  Sure it's a big, heavy lens but I think any lens would have that kind of heft considering the size of the lenses needed for that aperture.

It's a beast of a lens, has a lot of quality built in and can capture the most faintest of light.  Simply love it.

I have zero intention of upgrading to a newer version, but if I had my 2-cent opinion on it, a faster focus speed and lighter body would be nice.  Nowhere near a deal breaker obviously.  It took a long time to learn to use this lens at f/1.2 and regardless of what the haters think, years of use and experience has me loving it. 

Properly used, it make flat-out the creamiest of bokehs. :)

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2017, 07:49:11 PM »

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2017, 09:03:17 PM »
I have zero intention of upgrading to a newer version, but if I had my 2-cent opinion on it, a faster focus speed and lighter body would be nice.  Nowhere near a deal breaker obviously.  It took a long time to learn to use this lens at f/1.2 and regardless of what the haters think, years of use and experience has me loving it. 

Properly used, it make flat-out the creamiest of bokehs. :)

To each their own, but of all the things to improve on the 50L, weight doesn't even crack my top five.

I, and I think a nontrivial number of folks here, would own a 50L if it was useful for things other than wide open or near wide-open shooting.  That lens is not fun to shoot large aperture off-center and rely on the AF, and it's not particularly sharp away from the center of the frame.  Fix those two things I'm guessing half of this forum would own one today.

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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2017, 09:52:18 PM »
I have zero intention of upgrading to a newer version, but if I had my 2-cent opinion on it, a faster focus speed and lighter body would be nice.  Nowhere near a deal breaker obviously.  It took a long time to learn to use this lens at f/1.2 and regardless of what the haters think, years of use and experience has me loving it. 

Properly used, it make flat-out the creamiest of bokehs. :)

To each their own, but of all the things to improve on the 50L, weight doesn't even crack my top five.

I, and I think a nontrivial number of folks here, would own a 50L if it was useful for things other than wide open or near wide-open shooting.  That lens is not fun to shoot large aperture off-center and rely on the AF, and it's not particularly sharp away from the center of the frame.  Fix those two things I'm guessing half of this forum would own one today.

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I doubt that a prime lens could be made in any focal length that half the members of this forum would buy.  For many the main lens strategy is based on zooms--an UWA, a normal and a 70-200 or something like that.  In this context, the choice of primes is heavily based on personal preferences about focal length and personal tradeoffs among IQ, maximum aperture, stabilization, weight and cost.  This would seem to point to a strategy of trying to make a lot of money on each prime you make, since the potential market for any given prime is relatively small.


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Re: Here We Go Again, New 50mm L Coming in 2018 [CR2]
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2017, 09:52:18 PM »