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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 09:01:01 PM »
Add me to the list of people that would love the Vari-Angle screen on the 5D series.

I have a question in regards to this review Dustin. Was that your cat and why didn't you pat it? Haha. Otherwise great review!

I got my 6DII at launch and have been thoroughly enjoying it. The only other bodies I've used besides a 6D are a 550D and M3/5 so I personally find the AF to be a huge step up from the 6D and I get many more keepers now. I also love being able to use and rely on outer focus points which I couldn't with the 6D. Surprisingly, I've found DPAF to be better at focusing in low light compared to my M5, although I do like how the M5 can continually focus without having to hold down the shutter button.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2017, 09:01:01 PM »

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2017, 10:33:45 PM »
Here is a picture I took at 11:35 last night by the stray light coming off my front porch. 6D2, 24-105 STM at 73mm, auto focus and exposure, f/5.6, 1/40 sec. handheld, ISO 40,000. Before last night I had never shot anything close to that ISO. I used to push Tri-X to 800 sometimes, though. I did no noise reduction in Camera RAW or Photoshop. Presumably the camera did something even to the RAW file. I did try NR while in Camera RAW, and about 50 luminance setting the noise pretty much goes away. Clearly this is not a photo I would have tried with any of my previous equipment, certainly not everything auto and handheld. First the full frame reduced for posting here, and then a pixel peep crop, IOW, no resizing.




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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2017, 08:40:58 AM »
Add me to the list of people that would love the Vari-Angle screen on the 5D series.

I have a question in regards to this review Dustin. Was that your cat and why didn't you pat it? Haha. Otherwise great review!

I got my 6DII at launch and have been thoroughly enjoying it. The only other bodies I've used besides a 6D are a 550D and M3/5 so I personally find the AF to be a huge step up from the 6D and I get many more keepers now. I also love being able to use and rely on outer focus points which I couldn't with the 6D. Surprisingly, I've found DPAF to be better at focusing in low light compared to my M5, although I do like how the M5 can continually focus without having to hold down the shutter button.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2017, 12:16:25 AM »
Here is a picture I took at 11:35 last night by the stray light coming off my front porch. 6D2, 24-105 STM at 73mm, auto focus and exposure, f/5.6, 1/40 sec. handheld, ISO 40,000. Before last night I had never shot anything close to that ISO. I used to push Tri-X to 800 sometimes, though. I did no noise reduction in Camera RAW or Photoshop. Presumably the camera did something even to the RAW file. I did try NR while in Camera RAW, and about 50 luminance setting the noise pretty much goes away. Clearly this is not a photo I would have tried with any of my previous equipment, certainly not everything auto and handheld. First the full frame reduced for posting here, and then a pixel peep crop, IOW, no resizing.

I think the 6DII is a low light champ.  I'm not sure there is another $2000 camera that's as good as it, certainly not from Canon.

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2017, 02:32:29 PM »
Here is a picture I took at 11:35 last night by the stray light coming off my front porch. 6D2, 24-105 STM at 73mm, auto focus and exposure, f/5.6, 1/40 sec. handheld, ISO 40,000. Before last night I had never shot anything close to that ISO. I used to push Tri-X to 800 sometimes, though. I did no noise reduction in Camera RAW or Photoshop. Presumably the camera did something even to the RAW file. I did try NR while in Camera RAW, and about 50 luminance setting the noise pretty much goes away. Clearly this is not a photo I would have tried with any of my previous equipment, certainly not everything auto and handheld. First the full frame reduced for posting here, and then a pixel peep crop, IOW, no resizing.

I think the 6DII is a low light champ.  I'm not sure there is another $2000 camera that's as good as it, certainly not from Canon.

According to DxOMark 

https://www.dxomark.com/cameras/brand-canon-nikon-sony/launched-between-2002-and-2017/launch_price-from-0-to-45200-usd#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=rankDxo

the Nikon D600, D610 and D750 are/were all around $2000 and have better low light iso than the 6D II, despite being much older designs.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2017, 03:58:47 PM »

According to DxOMark 

https://www.dxomark.com/cameras/brand-canon-nikon-sony/launched-between-2002-and-2017/launch_price-from-0-to-45200-usd#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=rankDxo

the Nikon D600, D610 and D750 are/were all around $2000 and have better low light iso than the 6D II, despite being much older designs.

Hi Alan

Not sure where you got your figures from.  Here are the readings from DxO's SNR graphs at 3200, 6400 and 12800 ISO (db):

6D mk II: 30, 27, 24
D600: 30, 27, 22
D610: 30, 27, 24
D750: 30, 27, 24

And to add a couple more:
6D: 29, 26, 23
d850: 29, 26, 23

So in terms of signal to noise ratio, the first four cameras are essentially equal.  You make the point that they are older, but the D850 has slightly more noise at higher ISO, interestingly, pretty much the same as the original 6D (I acknowledge the much higher resolution of that camera).

The Nikons are slightly better than the 6D mk II in dynamic range at high ISOs (but the difference is less than at lower ISOs, where they are measurably better), but similar to the original 6D.

There is more to hi ISO performance than these measurements.  I found the biggest difference between by 6D and 5D mkII, was the substantial reduction in banding in underexposed shadows. 



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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2017, 11:51:22 AM »

According to DxOMark 

https://www.dxomark.com/cameras/brand-canon-nikon-sony/launched-between-2002-and-2017/launch_price-from-0-to-45200-usd#hideAdvancedOptions=false&viewMode=list&yDataType=rankDxo

the Nikon D600, D610 and D750 are/were all around $2000 and have better low light iso than the 6D II, despite being much older designs.

Hi Alan

Not sure where you got your figures from.  Here are the readings from DxO's SNR graphs at 3200, 6400 and 12800 ISO (db):

6D mk II: 30, 27, 24
D600: 30, 27, 22
D610: 30, 27, 24
D750: 30, 27, 24

And to add a couple more:
6D: 29, 26, 23
d850: 29, 26, 23

So in terms of signal to noise ratio, the first four cameras are essentially equal.  You make the point that they are older, but the D850 has slightly more noise at higher ISO, interestingly, pretty much the same as the original 6D (I acknowledge the much higher resolution of that camera).

The Nikons are slightly better than the 6D mk II in dynamic range at high ISOs (but the difference is less than at lower ISOs, where they are measurably better), but similar to the original 6D.

There is more to hi ISO performance than these measurements.  I found the biggest difference between by 6D and 5D mkII, was the substantial reduction in banding in underexposed shadows.

Not sure where you got your figures from.
From the link in my post. The penultimate column "Sports" tabulates the highest iso they think suitably usable.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2017, 04:56:34 PM »
From the link in my post. The penultimate column "Sports" tabulates the highest iso they think suitably usable.

Hi Alan
I sense that the DXO measurements are quite robust and objective, but the derivation of their summary criteria is unclear and subjective, especially their overall score.  This is why I go back to the actual measurements.  Which in this case shows no real difference.
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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2017, 06:22:59 PM »
As always, great review Dustin!!
6DII was really disappointing imo

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Re: Canon EOS 6D Mark II Review | Dustin
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2017, 06:22:59 PM »